Barney's F - Vanilla Kush / TGA Subcool - Ace of Spades = Waterfarm - 600w

mr2shim

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Understood and thank you. Yeah I am over thinking things again. I tend to do that with my projects. I do have a smaller space though about 26'' wide x 16'' deep and over 60''+ height. I think if I follow your examples and SCOTTYBALLS and others threads I believe I can make a decent grow in that space. I'm trying to design the space today with my AutoCad software, been using it for years to design small things around the house and at work, this is ALOT more fun though. ;) My linen closet is right below the attic so I'm gonna make a small 6'' hole on the ceiling of that linen closet and have the grow box in there with an exhaust fan and filter to the attic to control the smell and the temps (also with a couple of 6 inch holes at the bottom and sides with 6'' fans but not turned on; with the negative pressure alone from the exhaust fan they should spin just from the pressure inside (this also helps with the compression of the box itself). As far as materials go for a custom box itself, what would you recommend? Also in SCOTTYBALLS first grows the PA express he says his cabin is 50 something inches tall...is that the entire height of the box or of grow space; because it seems way taller?
my grow is pretty close to that size. A tad bit bigger. 20"x36"x60". I personally think you should go with a 400w inline fan and carbon filter, similar to my setup. The more light in there the better.

with scottyballs I believe that was the entire inside of his cab. I think he only had 20-26" of available grow space from the waterfarm to the light. If I recall correctly.

How's it coming along dayzt? Yesterday was 7 days since germ correct?
 

AWnox

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my grow is pretty close to that size. A tad bit bigger. 20"x36"x60". I personally think you should go with a 400w inline fan and carbon filter, similar to my setup. The more light in there the better.

with scottyballs I believe that was the entire inside of his cab. I think he only had 20-26" of available grow space from the waterfarm to the light. If I recall correctly.

How's it coming along dayzt? Yesterday was 7 days since germ correct?
Wow and with only 20-26'' he could get those yields! If I get a quarter of that result (about 3 oz) I'll be a happy camper. I was considering my space so that's why I thought that the 250W would be enough to keep the plant from getting too monstrous, even though it sounds like a positive thing don't you think it'll be worse because more of the plant will not get the space and light it needs? For my situation and needs I prefer to have 3oz of stank ass sticky icky than 9oz of so so ganja feel me? I only smoke at night, before bed or when it's my day off (Sunday :( ) so with 3 oz it'll last me the time it takes me to grow another one and thus have a eternal supply. Although I might just do what another friend suggested to have a mother and just clone her all year round that way I know I have good bud, yet one doesn't want to be smoking the same bud all year round so we'll see what I'll figure out.
 

mr2shim

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Wow and with only 20-26'' he could get those yields! If I get a quarter of that result (about 3 oz) I'll be a happy camper. I was considering my space so that's why I thought that the 250W would be enough to keep the plant from getting too monstrous, even though it sounds like a positive thing don't you think it'll be worse because more of the plant will not get the space and light it needs? For my situation and needs I prefer to have 3oz of stank ass sticky icky than 9oz of so so ganja feel me? I only smoke at night, before bed or when it's my day off (Sunday :( ) so with 3 oz it'll last me the time it takes me to grow another one and thus have a eternal supply. Although I might just do what another friend suggested to have a mother and just clone her all year round that way I know I have good bud, yet one doesn't want to be smoking the same bud all year round so we'll see what I'll figure out.
Honestly I'd mimic my grow if I were you. :lol: Not tooting my own horn but if you don't have a lot of space like me and want some nice bud, go read my grow journal. I still think you should get a 400w. I was like you when I first started, I planned on growing a with a 250w but the 400w is only ~15 extra a month which is nothing and the yield will be sooo much better. If you decide to up the wattage pm me I'll give you the links to where I bought everything.

Better stop posting in Dayzt's thread. I don't want to post in it about something not related to his grow. You can pm me if you like.
 

Dayzt

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Hey guys - glad to see you making yourself at home here! :smile: No worries... I don't mind. :peace:

Here's a picture update from this evening. The VK is doing awesome - this is only 10 days (1.5 wks) since they cracked. The Ace of Spades is having an issue with the new hydroton or so it seems... got some crusty leaf tips, but it's still growing - I think it was something to do with a high ppm from the hydroton early on - I have that fixed now mostly, but she's a bit stunted - hope she makes it!

I removed the cfls tonight and lowered the 600 down to a managable level. I think the extra light will keep them short. Enjoy the pics! :leaf:

Group Shot:


Vanilla Kush:




Ace of Spades:



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Someguy15

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Haha sweet! Our VK are only 2 days apart from germ. Same progress so far here! I got a touch more of the second node, but I think the 2 days could more then make that difference. Will be tuned, may post a pic if they are identical if u don't mind haha
 

AWnox

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Hey Dayzt, looking great! Question though; did you perforate any extra holes in the drip ring? It seems as though my waterfarm isn't getting any water to the middle of it where the seedling would go. I'm afraid once she's in there she's not going to get much moisture. At what angle do you have the holes from the drip ring? Are they suppose to be totally vertical facing down or at an angle so it reaches more the middle of the grow medium? Thanks for any feedback.
 

mr2shim

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Looking great What kinda bulb are you using for veg? If you can, you should take a picture of the full setup once they get under their own lights.

Hey Dayzt, looking great! Question though; did you perforate any extra holes in the drip ring? It seems as though my waterfarm isn't getting any water to the middle of it where the seedling would go. I'm afraid once she's in there she's not going to get much moisture. At what angle do you have the holes from the drip ring? Are they suppose to be totally vertical facing down or at an angle so it reaches more the middle of the grow medium? Thanks for any feedback.
Drip ring should stay facing down, in the first days to week or so pour a little water around the seedling every few hours or so. Be careful though as it's just a seedling and can easily be damaged.
 

kriznarf

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Ha, seems like a lot of people are running with VK right now. I've heard great things about it. Pretty sure I should be able to find a good clone mother from among the ten beans I have on the way. Any thoughts on what traits/pheno I should be looking out for?

Looking good, Dayzt. I bet that Ace of Spades pulls through just fine.
 

Dayzt

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Haha sweet! Our VK are only 2 days apart from germ. Same progress so far here! I got a touch more of the second node, but I think the 2 days could more then make that difference. Will be tuned, may post a pic if they are identical if u don't mind haha
Yo - that's so awesome - I hope you can stick around for this entire grow and post some pics here to compare - I really appreciate it! It's not a race or anything, but hey - the more the merrier - I already know this strain is steller, I just hope my results this time are 'as good' as last time when we had it in soil...right now, all others are eventually compared to it, as we consider it our best result so far, together with the Acapulco Gold, which we've almost for sure got on next year's list already.

well it appears that my vanilla kush is about 4 days behind yours! happy growings! :leaf:
Right on! Keep following along - if you have a journal, feel free to share! :leaf:

Hey Dayzt, looking great! Question though; did you perforate any extra holes in the drip ring? It seems as though my waterfarm isn't getting any water to the middle of it where the seedling would go. I'm afraid once she's in there she's not going to get much moisture. At what angle do you have the holes from the drip ring? Are they suppose to be totally vertical facing down or at an angle so it reaches more the middle of the grow medium? Thanks for any feedback.
As Mr2 said, no modifications need to be done to the drip ring at all - just be vigilant in the first few weeks and pour 5-6 cups of water (from the water-level tube) through the top, right down where the seedling's root is - everytime you check on it. Once it's a bit stronger, that won't be necessary, as the hydroton stays moister further down - the light will always dry out the top layer of hydroton, and when the seedling is young, most of it's root is in the top part... hope that makes sense! Basically, once the root reaches the bottom of the growing chamber and pokes through, your golden!

Looking great What kinda bulb are you using for veg? If you can, you should take a picture of the full setup once they get under their own lights.


Drip ring should stay facing down, in the first days to week or so pour a little water around the seedling every few hours or so. Be careful though as it's just a seedling and can easily be damaged.
I have (had) a pair of the coily 60w cfl bulbs (one warm, one cool - red/blue) on each seedling until they had well developed first leaves, then they were removed with the big 600w light started up. As long as I can keep the temps no higher than 80-85, it will be fine according to past experience. I'll be getting all my ducting done up this weekend and setting up the new filter and blower fan, so sometime next week both lights will be running and I'll be 'tweaking' things to keep the temps in there below 80. So to answer your question, I'll ultimately have each plant under it's own 600w HPS light - I decided to just use the HPS lights through both veg and flower this time - seemed to work pretty good last time! My HPS lights also have a larger amount of blue in them than regular HPS lights, so...

I'll for sure get some over-all pics of the setup once that's done - right now it's kinda of a 'disaster area' as i've been lazy and need to do some cleanup in there..lol.

Ha, seems like a lot of people are running with VK right now. I've heard great things about it. Pretty sure I should be able to find a good clone mother from among the ten beans I have on the way. Any thoughts on what traits/pheno I should be looking out for?

Looking good, Dayzt. I bet that Ace of Spades pulls through just fine.
Finding a good clone from this strain shouldn't be any problem at all - last time I germed 5 fem seeds of the VK and all of them made it - very impressed with Barney's once again.. and now look at this little biatch out-performing the AoS so far..lol.. but she does have the advantage of being in the 'seasoned' waterfarm. :leaf:

As in most strains, I'd look for a pheno with good branching (will thoeretically perform better under the screen) and tight nodes, but that can have alot to do with how you train her early on. I plan to keep my light as low as I can with this one, so it stays nice and tight - then once it's big enough, she'll get bent over and spread out just like the last one. The AoS, I'm expecting to be much 'stouter' than the VK, but from the vids and pics from Subcool, it should still push out some nice side-branching - we'll see what kind of pheno I get - not much choice when running only 1 plant, but I've had some pretty good luck so far! If the AoS doesn't end up working out, I think I'll be popping in my 'Creme Caramel' (Sweet Seeds).. :leaf:
 

ironheadxl

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yep every barney seed has been a winner for me, great genetics and breeding I'd imagine. One thing I did when I started my seed in the hydroton is I took the ring off cut a shot strip of plastic tubing and rotated the t fitting to face the seed then I had a direct short line of flow right to the seed that way I had to monitor less and relax more ;)
 

frisco420

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Hey Dayzt, big fan of your work. That TD grow was awesome! Just ordered a pack of OG Kush #18 and am leaning towards picking me up a pack of the vanilla kush so im def going to be paying close attention to this grow.

Not sure if you mentioned it but what size tent are you using this time around?
 

cocakola

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Hello all I've been reading this post and I love the convo and pics.. My question is I have 3 Vk seeds that just cracked can I put them straight in the clay rocks in my superponics system with the air pump on and water level 2inches away from the netcups with a 600w mh 2ft away good temps n ok humidity?

Thank you any feedback will be appreciated!
 

Dayzt

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Always appreciate the thoughtful feedback. I'd rep you if I could!
Thanks man - np, I know how it is with the rep thing here - same goes to you!

yep every barney seed has been a winner for me, great genetics and breeding I'd imagine. One thing I did when I started my seed in the hydroton is I took the ring off cut a shot strip of plastic tubing and rotated the t fitting to face the seed then I had a direct short line of flow right to the seed that way I had to monitor less and relax more ;)
That's a great idea... I haven't really needed to do that though I don't think. THe one is drying up pretty bad, but it's had a rough time with this new hydroton - it should be fine now though, and it's got through the hard part before the root reaches the rez...

Hey Dayzt, big fan of your work. That TD grow was awesome! Just ordered a pack of OG Kush #18 and am leaning towards picking me up a pack of the vanilla kush so im def going to be paying close attention to this grow.

Not sure if you mentioned it but what size tent are you using this time around?
The big tent I'm using this time is close to 8 feetwide, 4 feet deep, and about 7.5 feet tall.

Hello all I've been reading this post and I love the convo and pics.. My question is I have 3 Vk seeds that just cracked can I put them straight in the clay rocks in my superponics system with the air pump on and water level 2inches away from the netcups with a 600w mh 2ft away good temps n ok humidity?

Thank you any feedback will be appreciated!
You sure can put the cracked seeds directly into the hydroton - it's a bit tricky, but just make sure the root is pointed down and you have it support well between the pellets until the root is down far enough to support itself. As it emerges, you can move the hydroton around it better until the seedling gets bigger. It's important to keep pouring water down through the center over the root as it starts out - don't let it get too dry in the middle.

I think it's a bit to early to use that big light - you probably want to start out with some smaller CLF lights so you can get in really close to help it start. Get a small fan blowing aross it and it won't take long for it to shoot up! :leaf:
 

Dayzt

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So I checked each plants' rez this evening after topping them off with fresh water, and was happy to see a root starting to come through on the bottom far corner of the VK plant - great to see that the roots have spread out that much! Also - to my surprise - the AoS has also reached the rez, and has a long shoot that mostly reached the bottom of the lower bucket already! It's having a slow start up top, with the next set of leaves coming out faster now. A little patience and it will catch up I think - we'll see - something tells me to just wait it out and be patient with her!! :leaf:
Here's some pics from this evening - the VK has really been flourishing - I'm guessing it will time to start bending it over by next weekend already! Enjoy the pics!! :leaf:

Group Shots:




My newly installed filter - all ducted nicely using my new 440 CFM fan, cooling both 600w lights. My right-hand light isn't up an running yet since I discovered today that the one 600w ballast is pooched - had to order another one from ebay today - should be here late next week. Until then, these will have to share the one light, no biggie.



Vanilla Kush:




Ace of Spades:




Also go the timer on the light now - starting 18/6 today, no more 24 hr light!
:leaf:
 

splifchris

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I am so looking forward to to having a go of one of these waterfarms.... On my things to do list for 2012!!!
 

mr2shim

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I am so looking forward to to having a go of one of these waterfarms.... On my things to do list for 2012!!!
They are amazing little buckets! Love mine.. Looking good Dayzt. That VK already has a root coming through the bucket? Geez... Not even 2 weeks yet?
 

ironheadxl

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man you are no slouch ya know that? lol I was over at worms way today and purused the inline fans briefly, like I would glance at a super model stepping out of a Bugati, you know it's good but it's just out of reach for now ;) looking good mang.
 
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