Barney's F - Vanilla Kush / TGA Subcool - Ace of Spades = Waterfarm - 600w

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I knocked the shell off, and when adding some water I stupidly poured a little bit directly on it, which it didn't seem to like very much. I went to re-arrange the medium a little bit and that's when I noticed the root curving upward. Not good. Okay, enough of me, I'm excited to see your progress with the VK!!!
 

Dayzt

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Hey guys - took some pics tonight. Not looking too bad for 5 days since germ... enjoy!! :joint:

Group shot:



Vanilla Kush:




Ace of Spades:




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kriznarf

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IT BEGINS! Great shots, Dayzt. I actually just ordered some VK. I'll be going on a quest for a nice clone mother. Pretty excited to see how she does for you, especially since you've worked with the strain before.
 

mr2shim

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Excited to be in for the full ride. Question, when you were going to cut yours down when did you stop watering it? I was thinking I shouldn't water it a couple days before chop.
 

Dayzt

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I actually continued to water with straight RO water until the day before chop, but those last 3 days were darkness, and I also used 'Final Phase' in my flush water to help clean out the last of the nutrients.
 

mr.green123

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So I installed a 'Bubble Wall' air-stone in the Ace of Spades waterfarm this evening. It's a thick, weighted, flexible porous hose that you connect to the air-hose - check out the link:

http://www.uxcell.com/45cm-air-curtain-bubble-wall-for-aquarium-fish-tank-p-37342.html

It seems to be working very well - I got a new large air-pump as well, which I'm now using for the drip-ring and air-stone, as it has 2 air outlets on it.
nice idea with that airstone mate i haven't seen them like that before i went with just a normal round blue 1 for now
 

Dayzt

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The seedlings are twice as big now than the last set of pictures, but still not much to see - look for more pics mid-week or next weekend. :leaf:

Some good comparisons going with these 2 waterfarms... the new one has the Ace of Spades plant and it has more holes in the bottom of the growing chamber, plus it has the Bubble Wall airstone in the rez and the stronger pump running it and the drip-ring. The older waterfarm has the Vanilla Kush plant which has the 'seasoned' hydroton which I'm guessing will give it a head-start in this grow. It also has extra holes drilled in it, but not as many as the newer waterfarm - plus it also has a stronger air-pump running the drip-ring - no extra air-stone installed in this one though. :joint:
 

mr2shim

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The seedlings are twice as big now than the last set of pictures, but still not much to see - look for more pics mid-week or next weekend. :leaf:

Some good comparisons going with these 2 waterfarms... the new one has the Ace of Spades plant and it has more holes in the bottom of the growing chamber, plus it has the Bubble Wall airstone in the rez and the stronger pump running it and the drip-ring. The older waterfarm has the Vanilla Kush plant which has the 'seasoned' hydroton which I'm guessing will give it a head-start in this grow. It also has extra holes drilled in it, but not as many as the newer waterfarm - plus it also has a stronger air-pump running the drip-ring - no extra air-stone installed in this one though. :joint:
Did you notice that the new waterfarms come with more holes than the older ones? I noticed mine had a ton more than the pictures I seen on the internet of the older waterfarms.
 

Dayzt

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Yeah I did notice that actually - still not enough in my opinion though - they seem to not put many holes closer towards the outside walls of the grow-chamber... I perforated it good though - I have about 1 hole every 1/2 to 1/4 of the bottom. The holes could probably have been bigger - next time I'll drill them out larger, as I got myself a drill finally..lol...
 

ironheadxl

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yeah drilled mine out too, hoping for big roots lol I noticed VK is a top seller on attitude right now - your influencing sales lol, you need an agent to get some endorsements going..
 

Someguy15

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Nice! I have 4 waterfarms just sittin though because I'm too lazy to clean the drip rings that always get clogged lol Your running additional air stones in the rez(s) correct? Definitely subscribed for another sweet show.

EDIT: I see airstone in one not in the other...nice interested to see the results. I think they are a must tho cuz the drip rings love to clog.
 

AWnox

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So I installed a 'Bubble Wall' air-stone in the Ace of Spades waterfarm this evening. It's a thick, weighted, flexible porous hose that you connect to the air-hose - check out the link:

http://www.uxcell.com/45cm-air-curtain-bubble-wall-for-aquarium-fish-tank-p-37342.html

It seems to be working very well - I got a new large air-pump as well, which I'm now using for the drip-ring and air-stone, as it has 2 air outlets on it.
Hello to all, a newby to the forums here, just wanted to say subbed of course and also thank you for introducing me to the Waterfarms, your reports and analysis have really helped trying to understand hydro better. In any case I was wondering about a similar setup to yours and I'd figure I'd ask seeing your successes. Would a 40 gl pump say with 2 outlets be enough and not an overkill for one WF with a bubble wall or airstone for a 250 W grow? I need to keep things small this time around and don't have enough room to let the plant get to massive (wishful thinking hu?). My instincts and reading tell me that it would be enough with the standard WF pump and no extra air down there but I would rather more than not enough (of air down there). Also if you don't mind me asking what W's of CFL are you using for the seedlings and when do you plan on switching over to the 600W MH? Any information you can share friend is and always will be appreciated.

Awesome grows! :) +rep
 

Dayzt

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yeah drilled mine out too, hoping for big roots lol I noticed VK is a top seller on attitude right now - your influencing sales lol, you need an agent to get some endorsements going..
Lol... well I hope we see similar results with the VK in hydro - it would be great to grow for Barney's! =)

Nice! I have 4 waterfarms just sittin though because I'm too lazy to clean the drip rings that always get clogged lol Your running additional air stones in the rez(s) correct? Definitely subscribed for another sweet show.

EDIT: I see airstone in one not in the other...nice interested to see the results. I think they are a must tho cuz the drip rings love to clog.
Yep, they do clog from the buildup of nutrients. I found it really easy to clean the drip-ring though - comes off easy and I just blow it out like that once every few weeks...

Hello to all, a newby to the forums here, just wanted to say subbed of course and also thank you for introducing me to the Waterfarms, your reports and analysis have really helped trying to understand hydro better. In any case I was wondering about a similar setup to yours and I'd figure I'd ask seeing your successes. Would a 40 gl pump say with 2 outlets be enough and not an overkill for one WF with a bubble wall or airstone for a 250 W grow? I need to keep things small this time around and don't have enough room to let the plant get to massive (wishful thinking hu?). My instincts and reading tell me that it would be enough with the standard WF pump and no extra air down there but I would rather more than not enough (of air down there). Also if you don't mind me asking what W's of CFL are you using for the seedlings and when do you plan on switching over to the 600W MH? Any information you can share friend is and always will be appreciated.

Awesome grows! :) +rep
Thanks for the kind words! The pump you've described should work fine to run both your drip-ring and air-stone. I think this last one I bought is rated for 40-60 gallon tanks - it gives plenty of push for both. I have a 30 gal pump on the other waterfarm without the air-stone. My lights are just 100 Watt CFLs - those pairs I'm using have one warm and one cold (blue) light to give a nice balance. I set up 1 of the 600w lights last night and both waterfarms are under just that one light now - with the CFLs still there too - plenty of light! I still need to vent the light and get the filter set in there, but I also setup my small fan to blow across the tops of the farms which works great. I'll try to get some pics up in the next few days if not this eve... cheers! :leaf:
 

AWnox

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Thanks for the kind words! The pump you've described should work fine to run both your drip-ring and air-stone. I think this last one I bought is rated for 40-60 gallon tanks - it gives plenty of push for both. I have a 30 gal pump on the other waterfarm without the air-stone. My lights are just 100 Watt CFLs - those pairs I'm using have one warm and one cold (blue) light to give a nice balance. I set up 1 of the 600w lights last night and both waterfarms are under just that one light now - with the CFLs still there too - plenty of light! I still need to vent the light and get the filter set in there, but I also setup my small fan to blow across the tops of the farms which works great. I'll try to get some pics up in the next few days if not this eve... cheers! :leaf:
Thank you for your reply Dayzt. Funny you should mention the balance for the CFL, I found these at Amazon: Full Spectrum - ALZO 27W Compact Fluorescent - Case of 4 - Daylight Balanced 5500K - Pure White Light . I was thinking using these for the early stages, maybe first week or so then moving on to a 250W MH (digital air cooled). Have you had any experience with full spectrum CFL's and would you think these would be ok and beneficial in the early stages of veg growth? I am unsure if the plant needs (or wants) anything from the red side of the spectrum at this stage, I'm sure it can't hurt though right?
 

Dayzt

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In my opinion, it's doesn't really matter than much during the first 1-2 weeks (1 week for some fast starters). I noticed that I'd said mine were 100 w CFLs...well after thinking about it, I believe they're more like 40-60w bulbs..lol. I've never used full spectrum cfls, but I don't see why they wouldn't be okay for that initial week or 2. For my past few grows, I've tried to start with the CFLs until they look like they can handle the bigger light, then I start the big light, raised all the way up as high as it will go in the tent, and leave the CFLs low and close for the next week or so again - this seems to 'ease' them into the big light better, and keeps them short at the same time with the close cfls... I'm running 24 hr lighting still at this point too, so I just leav me tent door open enough to help it stay cooler in there for the tender seedlings. Once my lights are all ducted and the fans are cooling things properly, I can close the tent up and start 18/6 lighting for the rest of veg...
 

AWnox

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In my opinion, it's doesn't really matter than much during the first 1-2 weeks (1 week for some fast starters). I noticed that I'd said mine were 100 w CFLs...well after thinking about it, I believe they're more like 40-60w bulbs..lol. I've never used full spectrum cfls, but I don't see why they wouldn't be okay for that initial week or 2. For my past few grows, I've tried to start with the CFLs until they look like they can handle the bigger light, then I start the big light, raised all the way up as high as it will go in the tent, and leave the CFLs low and close for the next week or so again - this seems to 'ease' them into the big light better, and keeps them short at the same time with the close cfls... I'm running 24 hr lighting still at this point too, so I just leav me tent door open enough to help it stay cooler in there for the tender seedlings. Once my lights are all ducted and the fans are cooling things properly, I can close the tent up and start 18/6 lighting for the rest of veg...
Understood and thank you. Yeah I am over thinking things again. I tend to do that with my projects. I do have a smaller space though about 26'' wide x 16'' deep and over 60''+ height. I think if I follow your examples and SCOTTYBALLS and others threads I believe I can make a decent grow in that space. I'm trying to design the space today with my AutoCad software, been using it for years to design small things around the house and at work, this is ALOT more fun though. ;) My linen closet is right below the attic so I'm gonna make a small 6'' hole on the ceiling of that linen closet and have the grow box in there with an exhaust fan and filter to the attic to control the smell and the temps (also with a couple of 6 inch holes at the bottom and sides with 6'' fans but not turned on; with the negative pressure alone from the exhaust fan they should spin just from the pressure inside (this also helps with the compression of the box itself). As far as materials go for a custom box itself, what would you recommend? Also in SCOTTYBALLS first grows the PA express he says his cabin is 50 something inches tall...is that the entire height of the box or of grow space; because it seems way taller?
 
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