Balls Out First Grow(Whie Widow Scrog, 430w Son Agro Aircooled, DWC, CO2)

Jozikins

Jozikins

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That was a nice Durban, Whodat. One of my all time favorite strains. So is AK47, actually. It is definitely my favorite plant to grow, soo easy, and such great yields. Truly connoisseur genetics. I just don't know why the clubs are so down on it.

Wheels, I suggest you stick with a 4x4 space for flowering right now, and as you get good with the techniques, start adding plants to the space. in the mean time you can put equipment, reservoirs, gas tanks, or whatever else will be included in your grow in that space. Just not your nutrients, keep them out of the light and heat, they will last twice as long.

Lol, if you do your whole grow room now, I guarantee you, that you will be redesigning the majority of it by the end of the year. I know I built three complete grow rooms before I figured out what worked. I wish I just used a corner of my large space and then started to build around it. But never have sawdust or drywall dust in the same room as cannabis is growing, plants need to be removed for that. I suggest tents anyways unless you already have the wood, it comes out to be cheaper, usually, and the tent is more convenient and easy to deal with. There is something extremely satisfying about quality craftsmanship when you are building your own grow room. But I spent 600 dollars or more on building,wiring, and insulating a room that was less effective than a 400 dollar 4x8 tent.
 
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wheeelman

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Damn...so I just got back from the `Depot with all my wood and I read your post Joz...hhahahha that sucks!!!! Oh well I can always return it! Now to decide if even want to!

This dude locally on craigslist has some stellar deals on some tents...I just went check them out...I need some quick advice!!! My grow space is 6ft tall maxed out...the tent is a 5x5x7 so my idea is to turn it on its side but then I would loose a ft of height....I've never done scrog and I know it keeps the grow low but can anyone verify if 5ft will be tall enough....I'm basically loosing a ft like I said....my tubs are about 14" tall so if that helps you guys figure it out....I need to know asap so I can hook back up with him.
 
whodatnation

whodatnation

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Well just to show you it works ~~~ :-) integra's room is 4ft tall :-) If it will save you allot of money then go for it. They are also easier to take down in a pinch and set back up... cant really do that with a solid room lol the only drawback really is you cant air seal it real well and efficiently induce co2.
If you go with the tent you can pretty much do his set-up without the co2... but actually people use co2 in tents, it just leaks out more.
 
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wheeelman

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Man this is a tuff decision...it is so easy and portable!!! I think you just helped me out a little though...I'm gonna go ahead with my box build! I want the sealed capabilities and I like to be able to mount things on the walls also, I do love a good build project!!! I used to work in a cabinet shop while I was in college and I rarely to get to build anything anymore!!
 
Jozikins

Jozikins

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It is really quick and easy, and I know Integra had only a 4ft tall space, but he also complained about it being a pain in the ass to have a short space like that. Sometimes you can find tents that are 6ft, I've seen a lot of 2x4 tents that were 6 ft tall. 2x4 doesn't really work for your light, it kind of does, but you might be able to find a 3x3 that is 6ft tall. Also, a tent on it's side lacks support and requires some creativity and rigging.

How are you with a hammer? Can you build a simple structure quickly? It really doesn't need a lot of extra structural support. Simple is key if you are building your own. If you can get away with using less wood and not insulating, I would.

If you decide to put a tent on its side you need to make sure you have easy and convenient front access, adequate ventilation, and you will want to figure away to basically fix the lamp to the top of it.

If you have a level foundation to start with that makes all the difference in the world! The one I built in the basement was easy after I got the foundation framed out and level, the concrete was very uneven in the basement. Then I had to build a floor over half the foundation, because it has a weird step down going across the entire basement, right in the middle of the floor. After that, the only hard part was deciding where to put supports for my lights (build extra light support just in case, trust me, you'll change things up with lights as you see stuff here on RIU) wrapping the thing in two layers of plastic and then mylar was also hard and ridiculous, you are plenty well insulated with just one layer of panda film unless it is an attic or a upstairs closet.
 
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wheeelman

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Thanks for the quick feedback fellas! I'm going to go ahead and just build a box. I'm not totally sure what I'm going to do yet as far as insulation on the inside yet. I like the ease of WHodats setup with the insulation boards that are reflective. I've read a lot of people say just to paint the walls flat white but I don't see how that could be as good as those insulation boards. I've also been trying to find someone using Orca film and how well it works but I haven't found any feedback on it!
 
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paxum

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Integra21 said:
yep, ihave an air stone in each bucket to keep it airated because if you premix it and let it sit for a day or two it makes your ph more stable when you give it to the girls. And if you let it sit for a day or two without air, it starts to spoil and get stagnent.

All of my grows have had 2 different burns by the end since the 600w switch. The ones in the middle that grow more than about 4" above the screen generally get bleached by the light from it being to close, but that is the only real true weakness of my room since I cant get my lights even a mm higher. But the buds are always still great, so it really just messes up my pictures. The second burn you will notice hass gradually gotten better with every grow, and for some reason I cant stop it, and thats right on schedule, I get minor nutrient burn going into week 6 of every grow. I have yet to figure out the adjustment to my nutrients that is needed to prevent this, but I try something new every grow, so Im bound to figure it out eventually. Thank you for asking such good questions, cause these are how really good info gets into my threads. I dont always think to talk about all of these different variables.

I got it at the local head shop for $35. They also have a blackberry model now. Just google blackberry or iphone scale and they will pop right up. Thanks for the compliment.

I chose my screen because it was as close as I could get to my "Perfect size". The real perfect size is 2"x2". Mine is 2"x3". Anything smaller and it is to hard to get the branches pushed up through and pulled back under. You end up tearing leaves all the time. even breaking branches on occasion. And if you go bigger, it is much harder to get that ideal spacing that gets you that monster yield. So there is a science to the madness.
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After spending all day and night on this thread (not unlike a great book that you just can't put down) I finally had to register and say "thanks" and.. ummm "whooooooah!!". So cool to see you go from *joe to *pro over the years. The effort put into maintaining this thread and the time you've put into this endeavor is astounding. So cool to see you responding to people and all the while becoming a sage horticulturist.

I just got my license to go and grow and was looking to brush up (spent a lot of time learning and 4 yrs growing nl#5xhaze indoors through college). I don't know how many more pages are left in this thread but I'm going to read them all before going to bed. I'm still going to go with soil, but was going to pinch-crop and diddle around with tie-downs until I read all of this. Maybe some day I'll get scientific, but for now I'm going to try soil+screen to keep the tops even. I'll try not to cut fan leaves.. but my past instincts to max out 4 plants bansai-style might win the day on occasion.

Thanks so much. Keep growing!
 
Integra21

Integra21

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What's Up Everyone? Sorry for the absence, just had a lot going on and I used to put so much time into all of this logging and journals. But stopping back for the first time in years to say Hi.
 
DST

DST

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Holy shit, glad you are doing fine Interga. Good to see you. Stop by the 600, plenty folks will be happy to see you on there I am sure.

Peace from Amsterdam,

DST
 
Jozikins

Jozikins

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bigsourD said:
with that being said... i hope all is well for the lad
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I second this. I watched this grow all the way through when I was still learning, I hope he's safe. Did a great job, real smart guy.

Integra21 said:
What's Up Everyone? Sorry for the absence, just had a lot going on and I used to put so much time into all of this logging and journals. But stopping back for the first time in years to say Hi.
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Oh holy shit! Well good to see that you're still around and well. You scared the shit out of us all when we thought the cops were busting down your door! lol
 
Integra21

Integra21

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DST said:
Holy shit, glad you are doing fine Interga. Good to see you. Stop by the 600, plenty folks will be happy to see you on there I am sure.

Peace from Amsterdam,

DST
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Will Do. Glad to see a lot of the old buddies are still around. Missed the community. Have had so many projects going, just not a lot of time. But Ill be back periodically. Maybe even show some shots. Same size, but there have been a couple upgrades.
Jozikins said:
I second this. I watched this grow all the way through when I was still learning, I hope he's safe. Did a great job, real smart guy.



Oh holy shit! Well good to see that you're still around and well. You scared the shit out of us all when we thought the cops were busting down your door! lol
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Thanks for the concern. I was just being cautious. You never know these days.
whodatnation said:
Blast from the past! Wut up!?
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All kinds of stuff. Still been experimenting and trying new stuff every run. Always trying to reinvent the wheel. How you been?
 
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