JoeBlow5823
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Yeah. Major fail.Another who failed at growing autos.
God i wish i wasnt such a failure.
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God i wish i wasnt such a failure.
pop22
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Yep, and I'm in the mood to sling his shit back at him! Fuckwad 12y ear old living in mommy's basement and has never even seen a pot plant.
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Humanrob
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I've spent a lot of time on AFN recently, and I'm coming to some conclusions. Just like with photos, very advanced experienced committed growers can push certain photo strains to do amazing things, like pull a pound from a single plant in a 4x4 (maybe that's old news, I'm still impressed when that happens). The bottom line is the other 99% of growers will never in their lives come close to that. And those great 'auto porn' shots you see of huge autos with photo-like dense buds, are the exception not the rule, they are the ultimate potential of the plant, not what most of us can expect.
I grow in soil (FFOF), and I'm lazy and use dry nutes and basically add them when I up-pot, and when the plant starts to flower. Other than some tea and cal-mag, that's it, nothing fancy. I use COB lights, most I put together myself. I can't expect to have the perfect auto buds, I'm not willing to work hard enough to get them. And I'm OK with that.
I'm just trying to get my expectations to be realistic. That's all this thread was about.
I grow in soil (FFOF), and I'm lazy and use dry nutes and basically add them when I up-pot, and when the plant starts to flower. Other than some tea and cal-mag, that's it, nothing fancy. I use COB lights, most I put together myself. I can't expect to have the perfect auto buds, I'm not willing to work hard enough to get them. And I'm OK with that.
I'm just trying to get my expectations to be realistic. That's all this thread was about.
If I can get autos to grow that well, I will have succeeded, that's my goal. I'm betting that's as good as it will get, and that's fine.
JoeBlow5823
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LMAO they are definitely my pictures. Been posting them for quite some time now.
Not good enough for me. That was a simple 5x5 1000w HPS grow. Started from seed in 5 gallon fabrics.
Humanrob
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Since we're here... Those are FastBuds strains? What is the medium? What would you say the average weight of the plants was? five gallon is bigger than I can go in my space, but all info is useful. Thanks
Humanrob
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I'm also trying to figure out the "characteristics" of the different major breeders. From the journals and grow reports I've been reading (mostly over at AFN) every single breeder has pheno variation. The difference seems to be that with the better breeders while plants may vary all of them will come out of good quality, and with the lessor breeders some phenos just don't shine.
Mephisto puts out a lot of F1 runs, but is totally open about it. And their seeds are hit or miss on availability. Dutch Passion is interesting, some people love them, but a lot of their strains seem to run over 100 days. And Fast Buds has a mixed reputation, but lately I'm seeing more good grows and reviews of them, makes me wonder if they aren't getting better at what they do?
I'm experimenting with making seeds, and planning for that shifts my focus on breeders. For instance, my first run I'm trying to make seeds with a Mephisto Double Grape, and after spraying the plant for a couple of weeks I did more research (too often I do things ass-backwards that way) and realized its an F1, and if I'm going to make F1 seeds I don't want to be doing that with F1 pollen (at least they are honest about it). No big deal, there are other experiments going on in this grow so I'll still learn from it. But feminizing plants and chucking pollen has considerations that are a different filter for picking breeders than plants that are just grown to be smoked.
Mephisto puts out a lot of F1 runs, but is totally open about it. And their seeds are hit or miss on availability. Dutch Passion is interesting, some people love them, but a lot of their strains seem to run over 100 days. And Fast Buds has a mixed reputation, but lately I'm seeing more good grows and reviews of them, makes me wonder if they aren't getting better at what they do?
I'm experimenting with making seeds, and planning for that shifts my focus on breeders. For instance, my first run I'm trying to make seeds with a Mephisto Double Grape, and after spraying the plant for a couple of weeks I did more research (too often I do things ass-backwards that way) and realized its an F1, and if I'm going to make F1 seeds I don't want to be doing that with F1 pollen (at least they are honest about it). No big deal, there are other experiments going on in this grow so I'll still learn from it. But feminizing plants and chucking pollen has considerations that are a different filter for picking breeders than plants that are just grown to be smoked.
Marq1340
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This isn't too many plants for a 5x5? Shouldn't I be able to run half as many autos in a 4x4?
JoeBlow5823
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Yeah that grow was all fastbuds. The Gelato was the only one that came out pretty good. Medium is half roots organic, half M3, and a splash of perlite for flavor. 5 gallon pots. They just needed a couple top dressings of organic nutes during flower. They were pretty damn easy to grow but watering a dozen plants in a 5x5 is a bitch.
Honestly it looks like they have gone back to the classics.... AK, Haze, Bubblegum, NL, Jack, Chem, Cheese, etc etc. Probably getting better stability that way. My strains all went right around 100 days maybe a bit more so, nothing fast about them. My last grow which was my first photo grow, I did one plant 12/12 from seed and it basically grew just like an auto and only took like a week or two longer at the most and it turned out as good or better than any auto ive grown. It was under 12/12 vs 20/4 so ultimately even though it took a bit longer, it still used less electric. I still have that top, i need to get a good picture of it. Takes up the better part of a quart jar.
JoeBlow5823
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Should be able to fit 9 in a 4x4. It will be full, but thats what you want.
JoeBlow5823
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Oh theres also only 11 plants in that harvest picture, but i could have squeezed in 12. One of the Lemon AK never flowered and was given to someone who tried to give it 12/12 but ended up infesting it with mites terribly.
Humanrob
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Interesting... so are you done with autos?
JoeBlow5823
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yup. I might try them outdoor someday. Snows to early for photos to make it outdoors here.
Humanrob
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sounds like you gave them an honest try and they aren't what you need, that's the best way to find out. I hope you don't become a 'hater' and come back here just to give us a hard time
As far as outdoors goes, that's how I got into them. I can start them indoors, get them outside most of June July and August, and finish them while the days are warmer, longer, and the sun is still higher in the sky and stronger. I averaged 5-6oz per plant last summer with a very low effort grow, and I only get about 6-7 hours of direct sunlight per day. I'm still learning, I did get some mold which caused me to take down some plants about a week earlier than optimal. The ones that got an extra week put on weight the others didn't have, that last week counts a lot.
MATTYMATT726
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I'm not sure exactly what you read, but more than half if not 75% of Mephisto's strains are atleast F4 and up to F8 on some. The obly strains they sell at F1 are the Illuminautos. Freebies are F1 crosses and used to be more worked strains till they got shitty and only cared aboit getting money.
Humanrob
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These are just from the seeds I have on hand, but according to their 2019 catalogue (and I think that's their most current?), the following are released as F1's:
Forgotten Cookies
Grapey Walter
Double Grape
Sky Stomper
Maybe they've taken them further since that was published? It was Double Grape that surprised me, for some reason I thought that was more established and I wanted to use it in some one-off crosses.
Edit: and it's my understanding that all of the Illuminautos are F1's, but that's their thing.
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JoeBlow5823
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Im somewhat of a "hater" because so many people still tout autos as "best for beginners" and that they will be "seed to harvest in 60 days". Autos taught me bad habits. I wish i had just learned to grow photos from the get go but so many people raved about how much easier autos were that i got sucked in. Wasted money on seeds. Wasted money on equipment. Honestly, autos are more difficult than photos- photos do far better with extreme training and you can really fuck up in veg and still bring them back to life like nothing ever happened.... a current example.
They completely stopped growing and i removed the dead bottom fan leaves.
and just 7 days later i have brought them back from the dead.
If those were autos, i would have needed to just start over.
MATTYMATT726
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Forgotten Cookies was a FREE strain given during the 2019' Artisnals drop for 420. They made it again for limited Reserva drop. Double Grape is definitely F3 to F4 now. Started as an Illuminauto, was brought back as a Limited and is now(aside from how they work their openings) going to be a permanent strain. It gets further worked every new seed batch. Grapey Walter was AGAIN a Illuminauto brought back to a Limited drop. These a 4 of their over maybe 60 strains not counting freebies. You can not go by a fraction just because that's all you have. Again, they have 2 to 3x more strains worked as far as F4 than F1. Alao, no. There is a 2020 catalog.
Humanrob
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I appreciate that they let us know what gen they are. I didn't mean to imply I thought that was mostly what they sell. When they release F1's they are very up front about it, as they were when I bought those limited releases and I was fine with it, I just forgot that's what they were when I pulled the packs to grow them months later. I also have about a half dozen other strains from them that are F4-F7. That's good to know about the Double Grape, I just ordered some more, it'd be great if they were F3 or F4.
Can you tell me where to get the 2020 strain guide? When I go to their website and click on the link, it still brings me to the Fall 2019 version.