Aussie Growers Thread

reza92 said:
The current system in Australia and some of the system in other places. Good breeders don’t choose parents based on ten or less seeds. The more people condone poor breeding practices the shitter the genetic pool will become. It’s already hard enough to find something that doesn’t have a cookies or chem in it.
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And trading pollen instead of seeds makes a difference in that how
 
Bullygrowz said:
I aint saying that. I was just commenting on the idea of trading pollen, when you could just trade seeds
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As males are harder to find breeding wise it makes more sense to store/trade pollen than seeds. Same reason that semen is traded in the animal agriculture for things like cows and horses etc.
 
reza92 said:
As males are harder to find breeding wise it makes more sense to store/trade pollen than seeds. Same reason that semen is traded in the animal agriculture for things like cows and horses etc.
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So you're gonna get stud pollen from someone else's idea of a stud that may not work with your grows enviroment/style of growing just to pollen chuck it at what you have anyway? Rather than doing the hard yards yourself and finding a stud that works for your environment and grow style, not to mention just because you got stud pollen doesn't mean you aren't gonna get trash phenos from that breeding and gonna have to pheno hunt wether you like it or not, then there's also the fact that pollen is harder to store than seeds
 
Bullygrowz said:
So you're gonna get stud pollen from someone else's idea of a stud that may not work with your grows enviroment/style of growing just to pollen chuck it at what you have anyway? Rather than doing the hard yards yourself and finding a stud that works for your environment and grow style, not to mention just because you got stud pollen doesn't mean you aren't gonna get trash phenos from that breeding and gonna have to pheno hunt wether you like it or not, then there's also the fact that pollen is harder to store than seeds
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yeah you just described breeding. Yes you’d still have to pheno hunt but having a database of pollen (as mentioned previously) allows for easier selection of the male. That’s the point, to save all the work with zero return similar to the race horse industry. Just because you whack champion semen up a champion mate doesn’t mean you’ll get a champion foal but you’ve got a better chance than if you just throw 2 random nags from a padlock in a pen and let them go at it.
 
reza92 said:
yeah you just described breeding. Yes you’d still have to pheno hunt but having a database of pollen (as mentioned previously) allows for easier selection of the male. That’s the point, to save all the work with zero return similar to the race horse industry. Just because you whack champion semen up a champion mate doesn’t mean you’ll get a champion foal but you’ve got a better chance than if you just throw 2 random nags from a padlock in a pen and let them go at it.
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Yeah easier selection of a male at risks of: the male not being able to cope with your grows particular environment, your grower skill, or style. Also pollen is harder to store than seeds meaning higher chances of receiving dud pollen. Atleast with seeds if you receive immature seeds you can see that straight away pollen you can't see if it's dud.

There's a reason this doesn't exist already
 
Bullygrowz said:
So you're gonna get stud pollen from someone else's idea of a stud that may not work with your grows enviroment/style of growing just to pollen chuck it at what you have anyway? Rather than doing the hard yards yourself and finding a stud that works for your environment and grow style, not to mention just because you got stud pollen doesn't mean you aren't gonna get trash phenos from that breeding and gonna have to pheno hunt wether you like it or not, then there's also the fact that pollen is harder to store than seeds
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Trading pollen could work. Upto the person using it to test them. I'm guessing someone doing a breeding project would use a proven female, and then get as many males as you can get your grubby little hands on, and throw the whole lot over the same female (seperate clones), then test all the results and go from there.
 
Bullygrowz said:
Atleast with seeds if you receive immature seeds you can see that straight away pollen you can't see if it's dud.

There's a reason this doesn't exist already
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It does exist already. People actually sell pollen, one well known old school breeder has a project in the works where you can buy a pack of seeds and you get some of the original pollen from the father with the pack so you can do your own breeding projects with it.
 
Only problem with pollen is it doesn't last anywhere near as long as seeds. I've kept pollen for max 2 years and even then it only yielded a few seeds, that was stored in a fridge with moisture absorbers. Seeds I've just popped some that were 20+ years old and they all popped.
 
There's also the difference in phenos (the way a genotype expresses itself to its current environment) a stud in one guys grow room might express undesirable characteristics in another person grow room due to the difference in environment
 
BurnzAU said:
It does exist already. People actually sell pollen, one well known old school breeder has a project in the works where you can buy a pack of seeds and you get some of the original pollen from the father with the pack so you can do your own breeding projects with it.
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I meant as in if it was superior to seeds then all seed banks would be pollen banks instead
 
for example, lets say later on when nothings making it through, dusty makes pollen from his sluricane, that was a resend and had some troubles getting in.

if he were to share the pollen with a few blokes how would that fuck up any genepools, they would just cross it with what ever they have going

give a man a fish or teach a man to fish
 
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Bullygrowz said:
Yeah easier selection of a male at risks of: the male not being able to cope with your grows particular environment, your grower skill, or style. Also pollen is harder to store than seeds meaning higher chances of receiving dud pollen. Atleast with seeds if you receive immature seeds you can see that straight away pollen you can't see if it's dud.

There's a reason this doesn't exist already
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It’s easy enough to store males. You don’t necessarily need to store pollen but that’s also possible. It’s just takes money. The reason it hasn’t been done is mostly because of a mostly illicit market and people not wanting to share their “stud males” unlike other areas of agriculture that willingly share genetic material

there are huge issues with the way it’s currently done and if it keeps up in 5+ years there won’t be a huge of genetic variation on the market
 
reza92 said:
It’s easy enough to store males. You don’t necessarily need to store pollen but that’s also possible. It’s just takes money. The reason it hasn’t been done is mostly because of a mostly illicit market and people not wanting to share their “stud males” unlike other areas of agriculture that willingly share genetic material

there are huge issues with the way it’s currently done and if it keeps up in 5+ years there won’t be a huge of genetic variation on the market
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So you'd rather store whole plants keeping then alive and pollen rather than just storing seeds?

Trading pollen instead of seeds doesn't solve the problem of genetic variation whats done with the pollen and seeds does
 
Bullygrowz said:
So you'd rather store whole plants keeping then alive and pollen rather than just storing seeds?

Trading pollen instead of seeds doesn't solve the problem of genetic variation whats done with the pollen and seeds does
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Yes, Having the option would be great. Having a pollen or male bank that correctly harvests and stores pollen would be awesome and solve most of the issues with pollen viability. Tissue culture allows for long term storage of plant material with minimal realestate.

and yes it wouldn’t solve the issues of genetic variance we currently have but it’d be a good start. As would genetic database and many other things but currently breeding is getting driven purely by the market and that’s never a good thing for overall genetics.
 
S1 any plant and you have pretty much the entire gene pool of that cultivar captured. Stick them in a dedicated seed fridge and they are gonna lat longer than any of us.

Storing and trading pollen is not gonna be viable, especially in a black market due to the storage requirements and how easy it is to destroy. Lost count of how many vials of pollen I have pulled out only to find a tiny speck of moisture has gotten in there and its fucked. It's a pain in the ass to collect as well.
 
klx said:
S1 any plant and you have pretty much the entire gene pool of that cultivar captured. Stick them in a dedicated seed fridge and they are gonna lat longer than any of us.

Storing and trading pollen is not gonna be viable, especially in a black market due to the storage requirements and how easy it is to destroy. Lost count of how many vials of pollen I have pulled out only to find a tiny speck of moisture has gotten in there and its fucked. It's a pain in the ass to collect as well.
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Agreed it’d only ever be a white market thing. The grey and black will always rely on seeds.
 
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