picolada
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goodmorning my friend!coud you please contact with me?
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Astir Grow Led Panel Project...
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picolada
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stardustsailor
Well-Known Member
2nd day of the 9th flowering week,for the white russian...
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Questions,questions,questions....
(Inside my head...)
If each panel -together with it's driver- has an electrical power of 25 Watt ( approx.) ...
Then ...
1) Which other light source ,hypothetically speaking/thinking ,would have manage to support a plant like that ?
Would 3 x 25 Watt of CFLs' ,have been that efficient ?
(Nop..Don't think so....)
Would a 70 Watt HPS ?
Would 75 Watt of T5s' ?
2) Could any other light source, have provided the light needed,to a really sick/poisoned plant ,so to finish like that ?
Why I think ,that only leds can do such a thing ?
Am I mistaken ?
In few days ,she is going to be harvested....
She was a total failure,anyway...
........
Now...
The new ones...
The "unknown local landstrains"...
2nd day in veggin' for 'em...
Added one more panel of 8CW.12WW.4 Red 630 *....
Under two panels....
With two 24 Volt (taken from the guts of an old pro-final amplifier) fans ,to move the relatively stagnant air of the closet ....
Plus to aid the heat-dissipation of the passive heatsinks....
Cycle : 24/0
Irrigation : RO water ,with a bit of Epsom salt ( MgSO[SUB]4[/SUB] ) ,citric acid ( E330 )& Potassium Nitrate ( KNO[SUB]3[/SUB] ) .
Also,10 ml per liter of water , liquid Maxicrop (Ascophyllum Nodosum extract ) is added.
Temp: 27° C
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Questions,questions,questions....
(Inside my head...)
If each panel -together with it's driver- has an electrical power of 25 Watt ( approx.) ...
Then ...
1) Which other light source ,hypothetically speaking/thinking ,would have manage to support a plant like that ?
Would 3 x 25 Watt of CFLs' ,have been that efficient ?
(Nop..Don't think so....)
Would a 70 Watt HPS ?
Would 75 Watt of T5s' ?
2) Could any other light source, have provided the light needed,to a really sick/poisoned plant ,so to finish like that ?
Why I think ,that only leds can do such a thing ?
Am I mistaken ?
In few days ,she is going to be harvested....
She was a total failure,anyway...
........
Now...
The new ones...
The "unknown local landstrains"...
2nd day in veggin' for 'em...
Added one more panel of 8CW.12WW.4 Red 630 *....
Under two panels....
With two 24 Volt (taken from the guts of an old pro-final amplifier) fans ,to move the relatively stagnant air of the closet ....
Plus to aid the heat-dissipation of the passive heatsinks....
Cycle : 24/0
Irrigation : RO water ,with a bit of Epsom salt ( MgSO[SUB]4[/SUB] ) ,citric acid ( E330 )& Potassium Nitrate ( KNO[SUB]3[/SUB] ) .
Also,10 ml per liter of water , liquid Maxicrop (Ascophyllum Nodosum extract ) is added.
Temp: 27° C
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stardustsailor
Well-Known Member
You probably know me , better than that....Hello sailor!
you say that the grow was a total failure...
nevertheless i see very powerfull buds..!
maybe your ladies had a bad start but the continuity was amazing..!
i wish you the best of luck for the new "ladies"!
( If you were a member of the old forum....)
For my standards,that's a total failure...
Although ,the bud quality is much higher than of HID (yes,even from " MH buds "... ) ..
...
Been " testing"/ "tasting" her ,for some time now....Meaning ,few buds are ...missin',from the picture..
(Can't get a grip of myshelf,for that matter...Amongst others... )..But thanx anyway,brother...
ganja 2
Active Member
3rd week of flowering.. blueberry as i thought is growing like crazy under hps.today her height is 90 cm.
here is a bud from the top of blueberry,,
we also left a part of the white russian male plant we have in a bag together with a branch of blueberry...
the two white russians under the led panels are doing fine and they seem to love the combination of topping and lst under led lights. they count together 24 tops... thick and bushy. 45 cm their height
here are together.
here is a bud from the top of blueberry,,
we also left a part of the white russian male plant we have in a bag together with a branch of blueberry...
the two white russians under the led panels are doing fine and they seem to love the combination of topping and lst under led lights. they count together 24 tops... thick and bushy. 45 cm their height
here are together.
stardustsailor
Well-Known Member
Hey...
What about some led-bud pics ?
How is flowering under the leds ? ( 150 Watt in plug , approx. with drivers.. Where HPS is more than 430 Watt ,with ballast ..)
Great plants,brother!
The new buckets ,also,seem to work fine....
Excellent job..
What about some led-bud pics ?
How is flowering under the leds ? ( 150 Watt in plug , approx. with drivers.. Where HPS is more than 430 Watt ,with ballast ..)
Great plants,brother!
The new buckets ,also,seem to work fine....
Excellent job..
stardustsailor
Well-Known Member
Well..Yes...The "circumstances"..
She is not trained...Just topped...
She was about 6" high when she entered flowering ..
With just a few leaves...
Adding non-ionic surfactant to peat (black ) / perlite has many pros'...
But serious cons',also...
Maximum dose is 100 ppm every week ..( 100 mg / lt ,once a week... )..
I blew it....Totally blew it.....Gave her over 500 mg everyday !..For many days....
Plus the non-ionic surfactants that the Millers,contain....
I've poisoned seriously,her few leaves that she had from the worst ever veggin' ...
A strain that , usually,needs it's characteristic thick canopy to produce...
( WR ,if not mistaken ,is considered to be amongst the "heavy yielders"...
I also think, Mr X ,did his 2.something g/w with a WR..... )
What I know ,also ,is that HPS ,aren't so efficient at low wattages....
Never grown with ...
Seen some grows ,from pics only..Not impressed...
Dunno really,if a 70 Watt hps ,could have done the same or even better,regarding quantity of bud....
But I trust to what you claim ....
But...
For sure though,the quality of these led bud,no way on earth,could have been reached, by a 70 Watt HPS / CFL /T5 ....
Trust me,this time...
PetFlora
Well-Known Member
Are You Sitting Down?
Found this while researching vortex water structure
http://theimploder.com/products/super-imploder FYI It’s is made in USA
Origin of Color: We further present the symmetry evidence that this phase conjugation by golden ratio is the origin of color at the link fractalfield.com/fractalphotosynthesis.
That argument depends on the hypothesis that the octave of wavelengths that are visible can be converted in perfect linearity from zero to 180 degree phase angle, or tilt, of the photon (thought to be a torus). Amazingly, this results in a simple platonic series of angles which emerge ‘magically’ exactly at the wavelength/frequencies of the primary colors. (below) For example, green is a color defined by a photon which has rotated exactly at a cubic 90 degrees. We hypothesize that this angle produces exactly a wave interference ‘shadow’ which is opposite to phase conjugate, and why every living plant (photosynthesis ) spits out / does not eat the green photon (graphic at link).
The only 2 photon angles- 63 and 117 degrees tilt or phase angle for Yellow and Blue - which are not cube angles- are in fact the precise face angle to bring the photon into the DODECA face to center. This means that all the angles of the primary colors - photons- are the result of cube / dodec face to center. THAT symmetry is precisely what is required to get the photons to phase conjugate by golden ratio. That means that color is the result of golden ratio phase conjugation sorting in the quantum liquid core of the rainbow. (discussion at link above - see- 3 pair of primary colors fit the hex view of dodec/cube). Note how this PHASE CONJUGATION cause and origin of color hypothesis predicts that rainbows are more likely where the air is fractal / conjugate/ charge dense - measurement examples at goldenmean.info/architecture , also would cause the famous Green Flash, - also would explain why the contribution to phase conjugate plasma compression caused when a Tibetan saint dies- causes rainbows.
COULD THE FOLLOWING BE WHY ADDING GREEN DIODES (~530NM), INSTEAD OF WHITE, IS CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR LIGHT MFGS?
WWW.FRACTALFIELD.COM/FRACTALPHOTOSYNTHESIS
The evidence is clear- the reason every living plant can absorb any photon BUT green- is that the green photon being precisely a 90 degree phase angle or tilt, is exactly OPPOSITE to phase conjugate. And so - being the opposite of constructive interference (green / right angles create max DESTRUCTIVE interference)- so the GREEN photon is the opposite of LIFE!
Life is defined by embedability in perfected (phase conjugate) charge distribution.
Note also how - now it is possible to define evil- simply as that charge which cannot be embedded in the perfected (phase conjugate) distribution of charge called LIFE!
Found this while researching vortex water structure
http://theimploder.com/products/super-imploder FYI It’s is made in USA
Origin of Color: We further present the symmetry evidence that this phase conjugation by golden ratio is the origin of color at the link fractalfield.com/fractalphotosynthesis.
That argument depends on the hypothesis that the octave of wavelengths that are visible can be converted in perfect linearity from zero to 180 degree phase angle, or tilt, of the photon (thought to be a torus). Amazingly, this results in a simple platonic series of angles which emerge ‘magically’ exactly at the wavelength/frequencies of the primary colors. (below) For example, green is a color defined by a photon which has rotated exactly at a cubic 90 degrees. We hypothesize that this angle produces exactly a wave interference ‘shadow’ which is opposite to phase conjugate, and why every living plant (photosynthesis ) spits out / does not eat the green photon (graphic at link).
The only 2 photon angles- 63 and 117 degrees tilt or phase angle for Yellow and Blue - which are not cube angles- are in fact the precise face angle to bring the photon into the DODECA face to center. This means that all the angles of the primary colors - photons- are the result of cube / dodec face to center. THAT symmetry is precisely what is required to get the photons to phase conjugate by golden ratio. That means that color is the result of golden ratio phase conjugation sorting in the quantum liquid core of the rainbow. (discussion at link above - see- 3 pair of primary colors fit the hex view of dodec/cube). Note how this PHASE CONJUGATION cause and origin of color hypothesis predicts that rainbows are more likely where the air is fractal / conjugate/ charge dense - measurement examples at goldenmean.info/architecture , also would cause the famous Green Flash, - also would explain why the contribution to phase conjugate plasma compression caused when a Tibetan saint dies- causes rainbows.
COULD THE FOLLOWING BE WHY ADDING GREEN DIODES (~530NM), INSTEAD OF WHITE, IS CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR LIGHT MFGS?
WWW.FRACTALFIELD.COM/FRACTALPHOTOSYNTHESIS
The evidence is clear- the reason every living plant can absorb any photon BUT green- is that the green photon being precisely a 90 degree phase angle or tilt, is exactly OPPOSITE to phase conjugate. And so - being the opposite of constructive interference (green / right angles create max DESTRUCTIVE interference)- so the GREEN photon is the opposite of LIFE!
Life is defined by embedability in perfected (phase conjugate) charge distribution.
Note also how - now it is possible to define evil- simply as that charge which cannot be embedded in the perfected (phase conjugate) distribution of charge called LIFE!
tenthirty
Well-Known Member
Lots of good physics there, It kind of explains why discrete colors of diodes may not be the best choice.
Wherever multiple frequencies of light intersect, the field and orientation of the photons will be turbulent.
If this intersection is on a part of the plant????????
Could be almost as bad as giving half the plant blue and half red. Could confuse the plant at best.
Given enough space and time the light will become more coherent and the poles of the photons will tend to align.
Antenna and waveguide theory give insight into this. (reflected energy)
Think antenna/waveguide vs. antenna pigment/photoreceptor.
Wherever multiple frequencies of light intersect, the field and orientation of the photons will be turbulent.
If this intersection is on a part of the plant????????
Could be almost as bad as giving half the plant blue and half red. Could confuse the plant at best.
Given enough space and time the light will become more coherent and the poles of the photons will tend to align.
Antenna and waveguide theory give insight into this. (reflected energy)
Think antenna/waveguide vs. antenna pigment/photoreceptor.
weedman420gr
Active Member
Very nice flowering photos..!
Love the deep/dark green of the leaves...!
(Ganja any news about our new gathering site ? )
Love the deep/dark green of the leaves...!
(Ganja any news about our new gathering site ? )
picolada
Well-Known Member
hehehehe!i know you from the old forum and i know that you are a total perfectionist!!You probably know me , better than that....
( If you were a member of the old forum....)
For my standards,that's a total failure...
Although ,the bud quality is much higher than of HID (yes,even from " MH buds "... ) ..
...
Been " testing"/ "tasting" her ,for some time now....Meaning ,few buds are ...missin',from the picture..
..But thanx anyway,brother...
i know exactly what you mean total failure,but i also know that you never find the end..unstoppable researher!
i like that but i know that this is a problem(?) for people with your abilities!
continue the good work and rest a little bit!
ganja 2
Active Member
hehehehe!i know you from the old forum and i know that you are a total perfectionist!!
i know exactly what you mean total failure,but i also know that you never find the end..unstoppable researher!
i like that but i know that this is a problem(?) for people with your abilities!
continue the good work and rest a little bit!
never ,never
guod
Well-Known Member
Illuminance Distribution and Photosynthetic Photon Flux
Density Characteristics of LED Lighting with Periodic
Lattice Arrangements
LED lighting systems that combine lighting capability, emotional and physiological characteristics are required for
lighting source and multifunctional applications. In this work, Simulation studies using optical analysis software
packages, Light Tools, are presented. This is done to estimate the uniformity ratio of illuminance and photosynthetic
photon flux density (PPFD) of the periodic 2D lattice arrangements, such as square, diamond, two-way bias
quadrangular, hexagonal, and Kagome lattices, under the same transmissivity, absorptance and reflectivity. It has been
found out that the two-dimensional Kagome lattice arrangement exhibited high uniformity ratio of illuminance and
PPFD compared to other lattices. Accordingly, these results can be used to guide a design and improve the lighting
environment which in turn would maximize the uniform distributions of illuminance.
...
..
http://ocean.kisti.re.kr/IS_mvpopo001P.do?method=multEMain&cn1=JAKO201208636392693&poid=kieeme&free=
Density Characteristics of LED Lighting with Periodic
Lattice Arrangements
LED lighting systems that combine lighting capability, emotional and physiological characteristics are required for
lighting source and multifunctional applications. In this work, Simulation studies using optical analysis software
packages, Light Tools, are presented. This is done to estimate the uniformity ratio of illuminance and photosynthetic
photon flux density (PPFD) of the periodic 2D lattice arrangements, such as square, diamond, two-way bias
quadrangular, hexagonal, and Kagome lattices, under the same transmissivity, absorptance and reflectivity. It has been
found out that the two-dimensional Kagome lattice arrangement exhibited high uniformity ratio of illuminance and
PPFD compared to other lattices. Accordingly, these results can be used to guide a design and improve the lighting
environment which in turn would maximize the uniform distributions of illuminance.
...
..
http://ocean.kisti.re.kr/IS_mvpopo001P.do?method=multEMain&cn1=JAKO201208636392693&poid=kieeme&free=