Are there really strains with 30% thc?

Odin*

Odin*

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@whitebb2727 I don't doubt T5's ability to produce flowers, but I went to hell n' back experimenting with various set ups and nothing produces the quality that HID does. Duel ended is another story though, I think that is a step too far and haven't seen it produce the level of quality that a single ended 1kW digi. Those DE's will eek out the last bit of weight to be found in the plant, but for that, I believe quality suffers a bit. That, or it could be the paclo that everyone is using f'ing the buds up just that much more due to the extra light/heat. Not too excited about DE and don't want to change my entire set up for what "might" be better light for the plant. I'm sure that more efficient, higher quality, lights are in development as we speak.

Different strokes for different folks. You enjoy growing your plants, you enjoy smoking your own product, that's all that really matters. :bigjoint:
 
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Yodaweed

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Odin* said:
@whitebb2727 I don't doubt T5's ability to produce flowers, but I went to hell n' back experimenting with various set ups and nothing produces the quality that HID does. Duel ended is another story though, I think that is a step too far and haven't seen it produce the level of quality that a single ended 1kW digi. Those DE's will eek out the last bit of weight to be found in the plant, but for that, I believe quality suffers a bit. That, or it could be the paclo that everyone is using f'ing the buds up just that much more due to the extra light/heat. Not to excited about DE and don't want to change my entire set up for what "might" be better light for the plant. I'm sure that more efficient, higher quality, lights are in development as we speak.

Different strokes for different folks. You enjoy growing your plants, you enjoy smoking your own product, that's all that really matters. :bigjoint:
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COB lights seem to be coming along nicely , couple more generations and they should be the best on the market in my opinion, right now a good DE or quality HPS gets my nod. Check these COB's out they pretty nice they are made by a forum member.

http://www.pacificlightconcepts.com/product/cx300/
http://www.tastyled.com/default.asp
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Odin* said:
@whitebb2727 I don't doubt T5's ability to produce flowers, but I went to hell n' back experimenting with various set ups and nothing produces the quality that HID does. Duel ended is another story though, I think that is a step too far and haven't seen it produce the level of quality that a single ended 1kW digi. Those DE's will eek out the last bit of weight to be found in the plant, but for that, I believe quality suffers a bit. That, or it could be the paclo that everyone is using f'ing the buds up just that much more due to the extra light/heat. Not too excited about DE and don't want to change my entire set up for what "might" be better light for the plant. I'm sure that more efficient, higher quality, lights are in development as we speak.

Different strokes for different folks. You enjoy growing your plants, you enjoy smoking your own product, that's all that really matters. :bigjoint:
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There is no way hid is the same quality as what t5 can produce.

If I were to go hid I would still be running certain t5 bulbs with it.

Yea you get bigger yields but no way is the quality better.

The ideal setup would be hps/mh or hps/cmh with UV t5 tubes.

Mixed spectrum produces better flowers hands down.
 
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whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Yodaweed said:
COB lights seem to be coming along nicely , couple more generations and they should be the best on the market in my opinion, right now a good DE or quality HPS gets my nod. Check these COB's out they pretty nice they are made by a forum member.

http://www.pacificlightconcepts.com/product/cx300/
http://www.tastyled.com/default.asp
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I agree that cob is the future.

More and more competitors are coming on the market and driving the price down. The tec is getting better.

When the time comes I can get affordable mixed spectrum with UV out of cobs I will switch.

I've considered going cob with UV t5.

As far as vert. Yes, one advantage is omnidirectional growing.

You are missing the other advantages. Let's take my cab. My current setup has me using one light pointing down on a 2x4 area. Plus when the plant gets three foot tall you lose some penetration.

I flip the light vertical and add a second one I am now lighting a 4x6 area. On top of which I can keep the lights closer.


I'll document it and post the final weight.
 
Odin*

Odin*

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whitebb2727 said:
There is no way hid is the same quality as what t5 can produce.
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Pics to prove it? Another thing, T5's won't develope the terpenes on the level that HID will. The complexity of the nose, flavors, and high are greater with HID, not to mention the bud structure and trichome development.

I'm not knocking T5's by any means, but they just can't produce buds on the same level as HID.
 
RM3

RM3

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Odin* said:
Pics to prove it? Another thing, T5's won't develope the terpenes on the level that HID will. The complexity of the nose, flavors, and high are greater with HID, not to mention the bud structure and trichome development.

I'm not knocking T5's by any means, but they just can't produce buds on the same level as HID.
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Sorry, I beg to differ a tad T5's do a very good job
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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Odin* said:
Pics to prove it? Another thing, T5's won't develope the terpenes on the level that HID will. The complexity of the nose, flavors, and high are greater with HID, not to mention the bud structure and trichome development.

I'm not knocking T5's by any means, but they just can't produce buds on the same level as HID.
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I split the difference between HPS and COB LED by going with 860W CDM lamps. Spectrum and quality got better, yield did not.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Odin* said:
Pics to prove it? Another thing, T5's won't develope the terpenes on the level that HID will. The complexity of the nose, flavors, and high are greater with HID, not to mention the bud structure and trichome development.

I'm not knocking T5's by any means, but they just can't produce buds on the same level as HID.
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My pics are all over the place. I am in a place where I'm not getting full signal on my phone.

I posted a pic in this thread. The last few pages of the link in my signature

The pic I posted a page or two back was even an auto flower. It was frosty.

You want frost? You need blue during flower to get it. Genetics help but amendments and lighting can push them to the limit.
 
whitebb2727

whitebb2727

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Odin* said:
Pics to prove it? Another thing, T5's won't develope the terpenes on the level that HID will. The complexity of the nose, flavors, and high are greater with HID, not to mention the bud structure and trichome development.

I'm not knocking T5's by any means, but they just can't produce buds on the same level as HID.
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What?

Light doesn't make terpenes. Light evaporates terpenes. Want more terpenes? That's in brix levels.

Add some sulfur and try it out.
 
Odin*

Odin*

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@RM3 Not dissing your plants, but each of those pics is full of leaves and hair. They're lacking full, bulbous, calyxes. As I stated above, bud structure suffers under the T5. Those plants look like they have potential. Which strains of yours are those, I was considering picking up some beans from you as you seem to have your hands on some interesting gear. That is, if I haven't offended you (which I have no intention of doing, or did not do intentionally if I already have).


Have you ever experimented with HID vs T5 in the same run, within the same room, to see first hand which yields the best buds? I have. HID won. On top of overall quality, that quality was more consistent, top to bottom, on 4'-6' plants.

I retired the T5's from veg also. Plants veg'd under T5's are slower to flower and do not grow as vigorously, and do not produce the quality of flower as those veg'd under 400w-600w MH. This was tested over numerous runs with various strains. Each run included same strain plants veg'd under either 400w/600w. I still have some T5's hanging, but up near the ceiling, with hoods below them (housing Sunmaster 400 and Ushio 400) in a veg room. Those T5's haven't been used in years.
 
SoOLED

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Sure some have actually tested around there but I have a feeling there's a ceiling and it's being reached. THC % varies among certain spots on a SINGLE plant let alone a certain variety of them.

I don't put much stock into %'s. It's good or it's not. Type of high matters too - I'll take a trippier 15% Sativa over a 30% indica any day. No ones more passionate about MJ than me don't get me wrong but I think some people look too hard into the numbers..
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but, concentrates market is breeding, strains just for that. not for fine flower experience.

we were just talking about this on another thread: strains like GSC and sour D have strong cannabinoid profile, not just in the THC's

I'm like a bitter old man yelling at kids to get off my lawn, when these dabber kids are around. I understand the wax market, but even if I never smoke anything Ill always love loud flower in my pocket.


..and I know an old man with an iron maiden denim jacket, been growing with T5's for decades, sells out every time at the SD canna market every time. just last week he sold out before 2pm.

hes like the beef jerky guy at your swap meet, you go knowing you will buy some.
 
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