austin98
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makes sense to me. seems like a bigger investment to breed without the returns to justify it. am I missing something wattzup?
Are there ANY pure Sativas on the market?
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conor c
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The market dont work like that people dont pay extra much for long flowering strains yeah it costs more energy nutes etc n more time to do but such is life and like life sometimes the game aint fair
rootforme
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He's just a troll stuck on my d.
outside Dixie
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I grow sativa every year outdoor's there done late Sept. Durbin..100% sativa 5th gen.
amneziaHaze
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maybe he is not selling it. i would grow 100g in one year for my personal use instead of 300 why not.
rootforme
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If you're selling an indoor 20 week flowering sativa for the same price as an indoor 8 week indica then you're not a smart business person. If you're not factoring in the extra costs involved and adding those costs into the final price then you're not a smart business person. If the market isn't buying into the higher cost product and you keep growing it to sell for the same price as your 8 week indica then you're not a smart business person..
UncleRawkus
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I bought some for $100 a seed. Does that make me a smart consumer?
Billy the Mountain
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For most consumers/growers, $100 per seed wouldn't be a smart choice.
On the other hand it's your $100, fine by me.
outside Dixie
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100$ a seed is crazy high..That is why i grow outdoor's there is not much cost and way less time..And still get quality smoke. Durbin ( 9 to 13 ft tall ) Outdoor 20$ a seed 3 yrs to acclimate to here now is great for here low maintenance..
crimsonecho
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sativas flower longer true but they dont need to go 16 weeks to produce seeds i harvested my cannalope haze s1 seeds (of which i have a 16+ weeker pheno) after 5 weeks and they are pretty much ripe. much like my indicas and hybrids. so i dont see where this extra investments are coming from
conor c
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I dont sell shit i just love the plant mate and its just how the market is legal or otherwise good luck trying to change it cos its not to your liking you aint the first to try all i know is where im from and alot of places good weed sells as good weed it dont matter about flowering time your average person doesnt care nor even wanna know they just want what they like for the best price possible in all actuality like it or not
xtsho
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You are 100% correct.
As soon as the plant show pistils you can start pollinating. The seeds may get buried in the bud but will be ready before the plant is finished flowering. The seeds don't take 16 weeks to finish.
Seems there are many that don't actually understand how easy it is to make seeds. I can't believe anyone would pay $100 for a seed. I never have and never will. That's just crazy. No strain is worth that. Not a single one.
austin98
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hm, but if you're breeding a strain to sell its seeds, wouldn't you want to see it out in order to identify the appropriate phenos and attempt to stabilize them? or is it less involved than I imagine?
crimsonecho
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well most good breeders i assume already have the stable dank phenos they want to breed with. they have the cuts going already and as for a hybrid or something they can do huge sog runs once like with 1000-2000 plants and identify all that stuff with a single run so it really doesnt make much sense to sell those seeds 2x the price because they paid what 400-500 bucks more for electricity? i just dont see why the seed would cost more.
another point of view sativas grow taller and produce huge flowers. may not produce huge yields compared to a similar sized indica (as if there is such a thing) but i’m almost certain a sativa seed run would produce more seeds than an indica seed run. so that extra costs can be offset by the amount of seeds produced imo.
conor c
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Price does not mean quality theres good beans that are cheap and some horrible ones and the same goes for expensive ones and be it hybrid or indica or a sativa whatever the price tag just doesnt correlate if its good or not not every good breeder charges and arm and a leg
crimsonecho
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when i do a proper seed run in my 2x2 i pull thousands of seeds. from clones in half gallon pots veg for 2 weeks fill the tent with all the strains you like to f1 put a fan in, put the reversed mother and wait 5 weeks.
you’ll get thousands of viable seeds under 150w of leds. whats the cost here? doesnt really matter if its sativa or hybrid. i can sell those a dollar a piece and make thousands of dollars all profit. no real cost there.
when talking about seedbanks there are other costs of course the personel, growers, distribution etc etc. but still 10 bucks for a seed is reasonable. anything over that you’re paying for the hype or something extremely rare and well worked to be stabilized.
for example i’m growing destroyer from cannabiogen by far the best smoke i’ve ever had. i won the seeds from a contest on another forum but the price tag was about 10 dollars a piece as i remember and that line has been worked by the breeder for 7 years to get rid of the hermie traits and still keep the all fire properties etc.
thats the history shared on the seedbanks site atleast and i have no reason to doubt that. also its really one of the most stable plants i’ve ever worked with. i’m trying to reverse it with sts and i cant even properly reverse it with 6 sprays. usually just takes 1 or 2 sprays but after 6 sprays i can only see some balls forming. not like a ball covered branch like my other runs. i dont really know if its even related to that but either way its a very stable, very tasty, very well worked pure sativa and they can sell it for 10 bucks a piece so i’m sure anyone can do it
conor c
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Yeah man Well i give you an example kc brains been doing it 40 or 40+ years and is still sells cheap as chips so i dont think seeds should be expensive imo you can still run a long term viable buisiness without being greedy of course sativa hybrid whatever dont matter imo they sell the same in the endwhen i do a proper seed run in my 2x2 i pull thousands of seeds. from clones in half gallon pots veg for 2 weeks fill the tent with all the strains you like to f1 put a fan in, put the reversed mother and wait 5 weeks.
you’ll get thousands of viable seeds under 150w of leds. whats the cost here? doesnt really matter if its sativa or hybrid. i can sell those a dollar a piece and make thousands of dollars all profit. no real cost there.
when talking about seedbanks there are other costs of course the personel, growers, distribution etc etc. but still 10 bucks for a seed is reasonable. anything over that you’re paying for the hype or something extremely rare and well worked to be stabilized.
for example i’m growing destroyer from cannabiogen by far the best smoke i’ve ever had. i won the seeds from a contest on another forum but the price tag was about 10 dollars a piece as i remember and that line has been worked by the breeder for 7 years to get rid of the hermie traits and still keep the all fire properties etc.
thats the history shared on the seedbanks site atleast and i have no reason to doubt that. also its really one of the most stable plants i’ve ever worked with. i’m trying to reverse it with sts and i cant even properly reverse it with 6 sprays. usually just takes 1 or 2 sprays but after 6 sprays i can only see some balls forming. not like a ball covered branch like my other runs. i dont really know if its even related to that but either way its a very stable, very tasty, very well worked pure sativa and they can sell it for 10 bucks a piece so i’m sure anyone can do it
crimsonecho
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seeds are really easy to produce man production costs are not the reason they charge 100 bucks a seed or something as you said its greed and its the tendency to both create hype over that specific strain and cash in on that hype.
somehow some people think when they pay 10-20x more for a seed they feel like they’re getting a better product. may be true in some other areas like electronics but definitely not the story with seeds imho.
Nrk.cdn
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I ran both of those strains last year. You will hate malawi for constantly jamming a grinder due to resin. Very oily. I have to clean mine more often. Not a bad problem. The bangi is great, not too strong but good upbeat strain. It is a really good all round strain. Mine smelled like garlic mint. Both are great yielders. I made seeds from that run.
@crimsonecho
Destroyer is a super strain. I have 2 destroyer and 2 red snake seeds from cannabiogen. They are out of the seed biz now i believe so make seeds whoever has those seeds.