Are LED's practical for a grow room? (24 ft x 12 ft)

OneHitDone

OneHitDone

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AquariusPanta said:
I'm not big on absolute values and comparisons. It all really depends on what HID and COB technology you're using, if lenses or reflectors are being implemented; there's so many differences between using COBS and standard lighting methods that it's really hard to compare the two approaches.

That being said, there is no possible absolute answer to your question and why ask such a skinned question if there is no absolute answer?

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Curious as it relates to which growing method to implement the cobs into. Like with my inda-gro, I feel the overall quality is best by keeping the plants low and wide vs the way most hps growers around here stuff 10 plants under one 1000k hps and let them grow tall and lanky like vines with little bamboo skewers supporting the fragile branches
 
Darth Vapour

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With 5 percent loss or so with reflector it is nothing in reality ,, We will always here the 1000 watt LED will crush the DE or the COB will crush the DE but in real time terms its not being done . we all have seen it how LED perform . and yes some good results are out there .. but not LOTS and people tend to hone in on only the ones that do good, But fail to look at the big overall picture..
With more n more growers switching due to there circumstance.. There are threads that open only to see it disappear.
One of the biggest excuses i here is its to expensive excuse , its always like that
We got to remember what looks good on a piece of paper, or in theory may not be in real time events
I watched a video while back of guy's LED grow room. What i saw and he mentioned was the pulsing of the LED lights i wondered if the pulsing would have any side effects meaning perfect operating efficiency we all know HEAT kills electronics but also heat is what drives them so with the pulsing of LED's i saw i wonder if they even operate at peak temps to get that perfect spectrum ..
And also being observant when i looked at Real styles grow???
i noticed tall stretchy plants with hardly no lateral growth ,, this is why i have asked Realstlyles to post some pics of plants put them on a table take some separate shots of them and then we can ask why are they so stretchy ,, why is there not so much lateral growth etc its not about bashing a members grow its about figuring out WTF like i said .. anyone can throw in bunch of plants and have it look amazing i choose the 1000 watt for a reason and thats the best bang for the buck best growth rates and best possible yield

And like it was mentioned above that 1000 watt LED would crush the DE Crush is a pretty well used name crushed by a couple of grams ?? couple of pounds crushed by a oz
or Failed
If it was known that with out a doubt a 1000 Watt cob @ 2200 cost would yield me 4 pounds consistently i would use all of my 35 - 45 pound @ 2200 a pound to purchase 20 of em in a heart beat actually i would use my companies unlimited Card and place a order for 20,000 watts worth shit that would mean 80 pound harvests i would make my money back in one grow actually and have same profits as if i did 2 grows
 
AquariusPanta

AquariusPanta

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OneHitDone said:
Curious as it relates to which growing method to implement the cobs into. Like with my inda-gro, I feel the overall quality is best by keeping the plants low and wide vs the way most hps growers around here stuff 10 plants under one 1000k hps and let them grow tall and lanky like vines with little bamboo skewers supporting the fragile branches
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I believe in the same principle of being able to lower lights low, to conserve headroom, but also providing the canopy with an even flow of light. I'm also a big advocate on spreading light rather than pushing it all in one little spot.

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@Darth Vapour

Again, too many factors to say one light is the better because it depends on who's utilizing the lighting fixtures.

Yeah, the best thing we can really do, as growers, is say that 1000W of this brand's light is either better or worse in comparison to this other brand's light; even then you have to think about the size of the luminaire, because 1000W packed into a little shoe box isn't going to produce the same, ideal results as 1000W of the same light that is spread across the available grow space.

What I do know is that the grower has WAY more freedom when it comes to growing with COBS and that is primarily why it is an underground sensation, Darth; I can trick out my light with any color spectra between 1750K-5600K with Vero COBS. I can choose which drivers I wanna utilize. I could go on and on about COBS but it should be clear that we are comparing two completely different approaches to the same target: growing vegetables and fruits.
 
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bicit

bicit

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Darth Vapour said:
With 5 percent loss or so with reflector it is nothing in reality ,, We will always here the 1000 watt LED will crush the DE or the COB will crush the DE but in real time terms its not being done . we all have seen it how LED perform . and yes some good results are out there .. but not LOTS and people tend to hone in on only the ones that do good, But fail to look at the big overall picture..
With more n more growers switching due to there circumstance.. There are threads that open only to see it disappear.
One of the biggest excuses i here is its to expensive excuse , its always like that
We got to remember what looks good on a piece of paper, or in theory may not be in real time events
I watched a video while back of guy's LED grow room. What i saw and he mentioned was the pulsing of the LED lights i wondered if the pulsing would have any side effects meaning perfect operating efficiency we all know HEAT kills electronics but also heat is what drives them so with the pulsing of LED's i saw i wonder if they even operate at peak temps to get that perfect spectrum ..
And also being observant when i looked at Real styles grow???
i noticed tall stretchy plants with hardly no lateral growth ,, this is why i have asked Realstlyles to post some pics of plants put them on a table take some separate shots of them and then we can ask why are they so stretchy ,, why is there not so much lateral growth etc its not about bashing a members grow its about figuring out WTF like i said .. anyone can throw in bunch of plants and have it look amazing i choose the 1000 watt for a reason and thats the best bang for the buck best growth rates and best possible yield

And like it was mentioned above that 1000 watt LED would crush the DE Crush is a pretty well used name crushed by a couple of grams ?? couple of pounds crushed by a oz
or Failed
If it was known that with out a doubt a 1000 Watt cob @ 2200 cost would yield me 4 pounds consistently i would use all of my 35 - 45 pound @ 2200 a pound to purchase 20 of em in a heart beat actually i would use my companies unlimited Card and place a order for 20,000 watts worth shit that would mean 80 pound harvests i would make my money back in one grow actually and have same profits as if i did 2 grows
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Blah blah blah HPS is better. Do you enjoy repeating yourself? What the hell is your point?
 
Darth Vapour

Darth Vapour

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Well that is what i am getting @ each light fixtures on the market have there plus and negatives.. same thing applies with CMH tech ..
Threads like these are valuable if everyone keeps a open mind, and with all the BS set aside... like LED produces better quality ,, At the end of the day its all a fucking sales Gimmic , like saying guess what my outdoor organic grow is 1000 times better quality then any LED grow on the market,, and why cause its natural full spectrum 100 CRI natural Sun and 100 percent true organic with no amendments needed just rain water
But what happens is the grower that got lured into LED / Cobs ends up being religious instead of being unbiased he becomes Biased cause we all do not like the
" I told you so effect ."
Use grow the best you can period if LED / cob suits you then run with it but i suggest let the other guinea pigs do the work for you ,, cause in another years time that person will kick himself in the ass for wasting money when the next gen Cob or led breakthrough comes out
Its still in growing phase and who knows maybe obsolete in a years time ... So if anyone seriously is looking into them wait another 3 - 5 years for them to perfect it , I have looked into LED for some time now for supplemental lighting source i used to hate 400 watt MH for veg seriously was like watching fucking paint dry how slow growth was .. so i packed them all up and after some fucking around with them and having them just collecting dust i decided to re use them in my next up coming grow 1 400 watt mh is junk but double stack them vertical is a whole new ball game 6 - 7000 watt MH 13,000 DE = mother fucking Eh
 

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Darth Vapour said:
Well that is what i am getting @ each light fixtures on the market have there plus and negatives.. same thing applies with CMH tech ..
Threads like these are valuable if everyone keeps a open mind, and with all the BS set aside... like LED produces better quality ,, At the end of the day its all a fucking sales Gimmic , like saying guess what my outdoor organic grow is 1000 times better quality then any LED grow on the market,, and why cause its natural full spectrum 100 CRI natural Sun and 100 percent true organic with no amendments needed just rain water
But what happens is the grower that got lured into LED / Cobs ends up being religious instead of being unbiased he becomes Biased cause we all do not like the
" I told you so effect ."
Use grow the best you can period if LED / cob suits you then run with it but i suggest let the other guinea pigs do the work for you ,, cause in another years time that person will kick himself in the ass for wasting money when the next gen Cob or led breakthrough comes out
Its still in growing phase and who knows maybe obsolete in a years time ... So if anyone seriously is looking into them wait another 3 - 5 years for them to perfect it , I have looked into LED for some time now for supplemental lighting source i used to hate 400 watt MH for veg seriously was like watching fucking paint dry how slow growth was .. so i packed them all up and after some fucking around with them and having them just collecting dust i decided to re use them in my next up coming grow 1 400 watt mh is junk but double stack them vertical is a whole new ball game 6 - 7000 watt MH 13,000 DE = mother fucking Eh
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unbiased? Have you used a cob? What makes the de so much better then a regular 1k?and newer better tech why spend money on it now when it already exists o that's right you'll never do it put up or shut up and what's y your company so i can tell everyone to stay away from this arrogant guy
 
Darth Vapour

Darth Vapour

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KarmaPaymentPlan said:
unbiased? Have you used a cob? What makes the de so much better then a regular 1k?and newer better tech why spend money on it now when it already exists o that's right you'll never do it put up or shut up and what's y your company so i can tell everyone to stay away from this arrogant guy
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Why don't we just wait and see if realstyles post some pictures of his plants on a table seperate rather then all in one picture :) there will be your answer my friend lol seriously
here just for you 2 week vegged plants from 2 " clone i see a huge fucking difference in lateral growth .. But i will wait patiently if he posts some seperate plant pictures
 

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Darth Vapour

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OneHitDone said:
Who that is a serious grower is using High Bay vertical fixtures?
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true 400 mh is a 400 watt mh now to mod them for double stacked vertical
but hey a closet grower will be a closet grower nice yield for 10 plants there buddy

Final weights off 10 of ea:
Sweet Black Angel - 2.3oz total
Cluster Bomb - 2.8oz total
Nothing to write home about yield wise and won't wast my time and resources going that route again but had to see what it would do.
 
a mongo frog

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bicit said:
and around we go again.
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Yea but theres a ton of good info in here. Supra post saying 2200 for 1000 watt is do able and would be pretty slick to run a 4k room like that. Id want to watch a journal like that and if it crushed what he's saying and you ran way less power it could be greatness. To me its not the power bill money its going to the power company and paying them which gets nervous some times. So much good info for someone to decipher on their own in this thread, and others obviously.
 
bicit

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a mongo frog said:
Yea but theres a ton of good info in here. Supra post saying 2200 for 1000 watt is do able and would be pretty slick to run a 4k room like that. Id want to watch a journal like that and if it crushed what he's saying and you ran way less power it could be greatness. To me its not the power bill money its going to the power company and paying them which gets nervous some times. So much good info for someone to decipher on their own in this thread, and others obviously.
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The rabbit hole goes even deeper than that tbh. Led has a lot of unique capabilities.
 
a mongo frog

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bicit said:
The rabbit hole goes even deeper than that tbh. Led has a lot of unique capabilities.
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To me it goes as far as making sure patients get quality medicine and the farmers yields are same as if not better. If a 4 k hps runs any where from 5-6 hundred a month in power and for 8 grand one could pay 250-300, most would be all over that. I most likely would. I just would want to see a journal first is all. Risking 8k is a pretty big gamble in most cases.
 
Darth Vapour

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Mongo not sure on how much power bill is in you neck of the woods but its around 40 bucks a month per 1k on 18 hr i round it up to 50 per 1k, tax in. and hidden costs so 4 k 200 bucks not including cooling or exhaust, fans etc i add 100 for that so 300 more or less
I also do not grow through summer so no AC is required although i have done a few summer grows with just out side fresh air being forced temps still maintained 83 - 87 eight hrs - 10 hrs in perfect temps for C02 uptake
 
SPLFreak808

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You lucky bastards im at 28c/kw. Except for mongo, 4000 watts at 372 hours at 600$ holy cow, i thought my island electric bill was retarded.
 
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SPLFreak808

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I will eventually try out some cobs when i have the time as my electricity is exspensive also. But i am very scared to learn again. If my .9 - 1.3gpw goes down after using half the wattage then it will set me back. Thats why i want to wait for better chips.
 
Darth Vapour

Darth Vapour

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SPLFreak808 said:
I will eventually try out some cobs when i have the time as my electricity is exspensive also. But i am very scared to learn again. If my .9 - 1.3gpw goes down after using half the wattage then it will set me back. Thats why i want to wait for better chips.
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Or you can go off grid power :) and have the best of both worlds 20 grand for 10,000 watts of grid power IMO a better choice then worrying about if that Cob or LED will produce more cause thread after thread its not showing it is

https://www.anapode.com/products/10000w_10kw_Complete_Solar_Panel_Module_Kit_DIY
 
bongspipesplants

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churchhaze said:
he said "more efficient and more precise than anyone else". If you asked that guy what is the efficiency and how does that compare against competitors,he probably doesn't even know. Efficiency to sales is just a buzzword. It's also a buzzword to the majority of consumers...

It's frustrating when "efficiency conscious" people buy 5-15% efficient leds and act like they're saving the environment and somehow producing less heat, reducing their energy bill, etc. (not saying the ones you posted are 5-15%. I'm not exactly sure what those are.)
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Have you had any good experiences with any LED's. I am having a so far so good experiance right now with current grow. Im old school Love my hps but open to change
 
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