Apache AT600 led vs 1000w HPS Blue Dream Grow

hyroot

hyroot

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Red1966 said:
It appears I was mistaken. I seem to have confused Onyx with Kind brand. My apologies.
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kind is rebranded apollo from cidly and uses knock off epistar and knock off bridgelux chips. Onyx is from rapid led And uses cree chips.

I think the onyx would be better if they used a larger heat sink and spread the leds out a little more. other than that. It's pretty good quality.
 
hyroot

hyroot

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spazatak said:
defensive about what... first you cant provide a link to Capt about these Onyx's made in china and now you cant find a51's diodes... slow day at Walmart?
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you do know all walmart employees are imported from Iowa and Guatamala. thats why half dont speak english the rest have mullets and handle bar mustaches. Even the women
 
Red1966

Red1966

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spazatak said:
defensive about what... first you cant provide a link to Capt about these Onyx's made in china and now you cant find a51's diodes... slow day at Walmart?
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I made a mistake about the Onyx.Big deal. You couldn't provide a link to A51 diodes, should I i insult you now?
 
spazatak

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Red1966 said:
I made a mistake about the Onyx.Big deal. You couldn't provide a link to A51 diodes, should I i insult you now?
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how have i insulted you... calling you a troll....? lol...

if you are looking for A51 diodes take your own advice.... "google it"

thanks for playing
 
nevergoodenuf

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Quote "Being flat out honest, not good at all, 15%-20% if it is lucky versus GGs 47-49% design. The efficiency of generic COBs doesnt even approach the lowest bins of the Cree. GG is using the top bin and then one more bin up from that. Also be wary, those "200W" lamps are passive cooled and they dont even have fins. If you are going to use passive cooling on a low efficiency LED running hot, you may need 150cm²/W or more to achieve a reasonable Tj. That would be ridiculous the heatsink would weigh a ton. Without a fan and some fins, it is an engineering failure and may even even burn out the COBs."

Supra-I thought you had seen the whole light in my post. The housing has 1.25" fins the length of the light and Consists of around 20 to 25 pounds of aluminum. I have one fan above the light for the heatsinks but they stay cool. Junction temp. doesn't go over 100*F. Flat, the heatsink would measure 3'x 20". The leds are between 110-130 lm/w.
 
SupraSPL

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@GG That is a great service the growing community side by side HPS vs LED, elite cut, organic soil, lab tested. Thank you! cant wait to see the results :leaf:

@red LOL at 420lm/W. You must be misunderstanding the specs my friend, but I wish that were true.

@never sorry I just went back and checked your thread, did not see your reply with the pics of the fins, I will retract that statement. A heatsink temp of 100F is not terrible. I can assure you though, the warm whites are nowhere near 110lm/W dissipating 40W at those high currents and high temps. I have poured over the specs sheets that I could find for those COBs and determined that they are actually more expensive/photon than the Crees, and that is not taking into consideration the electrical savings of the Cree. That said, they might still grow some good pot and I say, use what you have got on hand. I am just trying to warn new buyers not to expect the results of the Crees or Veros from generic COBs. Honestly, I believe HPS would be a better bet.
 
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nevergoodenuf

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Then you'll like the 500w light they are making me now.
SEM-FL500-02B (CE/ROHS/IEC)
LED FLOOD LIGHT ◆Power:500W ◆Input Voltage: AC100-277V,50/60HZ ◆Driver brand:Meanwell ◆LED:CREE SMD2525 XBD series ◆LED quantity:288pcs ◆Power factor:>0.95 ◆THD<15% ◆Lifespan:>50000 Hours ◆Luminous Flux:45000- 50000 lm ◆Beam Angle:90° ◆Blended spectrum (50% WW, 30% NW, and 20% PW) ◆Dimmable ◆Material:aluminium alloy ◆Dimension:374*374*448mm ◆Protection Level:IP67 ◆Casing Color: black ◆Cable:3*1mm² rubber covered wire ◆Replace 1500- 2000w HPS
 
SupraSPL

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I think the fact that they stepped up to Cree is a great improvement, although XBD has not been known as an ideal growing LED, it is very cheap. They would have been better served by XTE and even better served by XML2 or for a flowering lamp, the CXA3070.

Sorry man I feel like a negative nancy talking smack all the time. I just want to make sure that when we steer people away from HPS, we are steering them correctly and honestly. HPS really is a great way to flower pot and as LED growers we have to be on our AAA game to compete with it.
 
nevergoodenuf

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Price, drivers and Chips are my priority. These are the best bang for the buck I have found with worthy components that they (the factory) are willing to tailor to my needs. So far it looks like I could compete with the prices of Area51, Onyx, etc. if not beat them. Hoping for the ladder.
 
Red1966

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spazatak said:
how have i insulted you... calling you a troll....? lol...

if you are looking for A51 diodes take your own advice.... "google it"

thanks for playing
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"slow day at Walmart?" If you knew where I actually work, you'd be asking if you could visit. >8,000 people showed up at our last open house. People come from all over the world to study here.
 
Red1966

Red1966

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Greengenes707 said:
I asked you why you were here...so why?
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I originally came to see if you ever got your lab results back. I had confused A51 with Apache. I'm terrible with names. Always have been as far back as I can remember. I suffered from high fever and convulsions as an infant and had a concussion at 6. Either of those could be the cause.
 
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