Anyone like a bit of stretch and node spacing?

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Bookush34

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Personally I prefer a plant to stretch out a bit. Get the bud sites apart from each other. I find you get better air flow and light penetration. I also personally like a bud that is exposed on all sides. I feel they develop more evenly.
I like pretty nuggets.
Sure thus may negatively effect yeild but a non issues for me


I know this is most a genetic trait. But can also be a effect of too little light.

Dose anyone try to stretch a plant out on purpose? Hear tons about wanting compact tight nodes. Buds stacked on buds.

Maybe lower light levels during the stretch period?

what do you guys think
 
crimsonecho

crimsonecho

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i don’t like nugs which are too compact airflow is better for many reasons mostly to help with mold prevention imo but plants do what they do and light distance hasn’t been very effective ime. tho to be fair i’ve never given them insufficient light to triger such response so who knows. to sum up yay for dense nugs but nay for too dense nugs.
 
PadawanWarrior

PadawanWarrior

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Bookush34 said:
Personally I prefer a plant to stretch out a bit. Get the bud sites apart from each other. I find you get better air flow and light penetration. I also personally like a bud that is exposed on all sides. I feel they develop more evenly.
I like pretty nuggets.
Sure thus may negatively effect yeild but a non issues for me


I know this is most a genetic trait. But can also be a effect of too little light.

Dose anyone try to stretch a plant out on purpose? Hear tons about wanting compact tight nodes. Buds stacked on buds.

Maybe lower light levels during the stretch period?

what do you guys think
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I totally hear you man. The spectrum makes a big difference too. I've actually been trying to get more stretch too sometimes.

There's other things you can do to increase the stretch at flower too. The bigger the temp differential during stretch the more you can control it. I talk about it all the time, but there's some people out there that can't accept it.
 
crimsonecho

crimsonecho

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PadawanWarrior said:
I totally hear you man. The spectrum makes a big difference too. I've actually been trying to get more stretch too sometimes.

There's other things you can do to increase the stretch at flower too. The bigger the temp differential during stretch the more you can control it. I talk about it all the time, but there's some people out there that can't accept it.
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so whats the idea if you create bigger temp differences does it stretch more?
 
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Bookush34

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PadawanWarrior said:
I totally hear you man. The spectrum makes a big difference too. I've actually been trying to get more stretch too sometimes.

There's other things you can do to increase the stretch at flower too. The bigger the temp differential during stretch the more you can control it. I talk about it all the time, but there's some people out there that can't accept it.
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Ahhh yea I remember reading that about the bigger the night temp swing effecting the stretch.

also remember seeing light spectrum having effect More blue light gives less stretch then a more red light
 
Apostatize

Apostatize

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Wait, if you've already accounted for genetics (sativa/very sativa dom) and probably negatively affected yield if you force a plant to stretch (spindly v controlled stretch rate), isn't it a lot easier just to do what you normally do but select for genetics, lst, lollipop and/or just prune branches crowding your desireably-spaced nodes?

Seems hard enough to get it right normally. Forced manipulation, for example, monster-cropping, negatively affected branch strength and, if nothing else, adulterated the flavor. Could just be I suck.
 
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Bookush34

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Apostatize said:
Wait, if you've already accounted for genetics (sativa/very sativa dom) and probably negatively affected yield if you force a plant to stretch (spindly v controlled stretch rate), isn't it a lot easier just to do what you normally do but select for genetics, lst, lollipop and/or just prune branches crowding your desireably-spaced nodes?

Seems hard enough to get it right normally. Forced manipulation, for example, monster-cropping, negatively affected branch strength and, if nothing else, adulterated the flavor. Could just be I suck.
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Going just on genetics. I would not be able to grow a wide variety that I like.

l do currently prune back to get a bit more of a open structure. Just wondering if it can be done by controlling environmental factors.
 
Apostatize

Apostatize

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hear ya. lots of potential areas to focus on. I like variety, too. What if the benefits of IR adjustment vary by strain? Imagine having to dial it in for every strain -- that's my issue. Unlike an adjustment that could be applied to any strain, tweaking IR/adding heat/butterfly effect stuff may be counterproductive to variety goals. Also seems like most commenters that support tweaking IR begin their comment with phrases like "I heard," "I read," "perhaps."

Could be worth it! I've already pursued a few costly dead ends and would prefer seeing you do it first! That would be cool. Also, I realize you're considering other factors besides IR.
 
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jondamon

jondamon

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There’s one simple term that you can Google to find the information you want and that term is

“crop steering”

There are many things that can be used to steer a crop in the way that you want to achieve.

one of the easiest ways to gain stretch is to feed lighter during the lead up to 12/12 and during the stretch.
 
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Has

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As you know, the R / FR ratio stimulates the onset of flowering and causes the shade-avoidance response.
Once, when switching to 12/12, I added 6% FR 730nm to the main Led to stimulate and synchronize the flowering of different strains in the box. FR worked in the afternoon and another 3 hours in the dark. The box was automated and I came to him only once a week to renew the fertilizers. A week later, I saw that all the bushes were so elongated that I had to redo the box. The internodes extended up to 10 cm on all four bushes. I don’t do this anymore, of course, because I don’t like such bushes.
If anyone is interested, add FR dimmable to 1-5% of the main one and you can controllably stretch your bushes like rubber.
 
Moflow

Moflow

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I have tried a few spectrums over the years. This is what I have observed.
At the moment I'm using enhanced white strips with added red and far red diodes in the first 4 weeks of flowering. Ive been using them for quite a while now. The plants then get moved to main flowering area to finish.
I have found the added red, far red gives a nice 'HPS like' stretch which is to my liking.

The same plants early flowered under 3000K spectrum for ~ 4 weeks stretched a bit but not as much as the added red, fr
With 4000K spectrum early flowering I found it produced short squat plants. This might be a good spectrum for growing unruly sativas?
Personally I would not use 4000K for full flowering from start to finish as I found the plants I tried under them were more leafy than normal.
 
Apostatize

Apostatize

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Apostatize said:
hear ya. lots of potential areas to focus on. I like variety, too. What if the benefits of IR adjustment vary by strain? Imagine having to dial it in for
Bookush34 said:
Going just on genetics. I would not be able to grow a wide variety that I like.

l do currently prune back to get a bit more of a open structure. Just wondering if it can be done by controlling environmental factors.
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discussing spectrums in a different thread brought me back to your thread. Right, a sole-source spectrum that includes plenty of far-red (passive post-purchase) v. having to be all kinds of extra (ongoing, actively doing stuff) -- pass on the unsustainable part, not necessarily the thought/reason for doing it (if that makes sense).
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