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HAF2

HAF2

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I'm trying to get right away from all the labelling and name calling "your side/ my side" bullshit.
I want change. It would be a lot easier if everyone was willing to work together to facilitate that change.
I know, I know. Very Canadian and naive of me.

Was going to post the song kumbaya, due to its obvious love thy neighbour stance. But I'm not religious so I'll stick with this.

 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

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HAF2 said:
After the first black president; doesn't change seem possible? That wouldn't have happened years ago.
I still believe. But I also believe people can't be so lackadaisical about it. They have to fight, legally. Protest, bother and annoy elected officials with their demands. Elect people they feel represent them. But demand change.

What if everyone stopped going to work until some of the mandatory minimum sentencing around non violent charges was abolished? Or the same thing with affordable healthcare? No one goes to work; Everyone together stopped. The country couldn't run. There has to be ways to force change on a government that will be happy keeping everything in their status quo.
Just because it hasn't happened, doesn't mean it can't. Imo
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Missed it.:clap:
 
TacoMac

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tampee said:
I ridiculed him for not changing shit
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That would be your Republican controlled house.

tampee said:
creating a law that forces us to pay for state run medical insurance.
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And that stopped the practice of freeloaders going to the emergency room, getting services, and never paying the bill and sticking the tax payers with picking up the tab. Stopped it damn near completely.

tampee said:
We pay enough taxes and on top of that I need to pay for health insurance?
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62 cents of every single dollar in this country goes to the military. That is why we can't afford anything else.

tampee said:
If we had a free country doctors would not be so rich as they can't charge what the people can't afford.
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Lawyers are why the doctors charge so much, and the vast majority of them are not rich at all. Typically, doctors pay about 40% of their salary to medical malpractice insurance.

It is insurance and lawyers that have ruined this country, not doctors.

tampee said:
Same goes for credit if people refused to get a bank loan on a house the housing prices would be affordable instead we spend money we don't have and if you can't pay your mortgage the loanshark sends a sheriff to throw you out of your house then they resell the house. It's worse than gambling the house enslaves us all.
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Simple rule: If you can't afford it, don't buy it. If you chose to become a slave to credit, that's nobody's fault but your own.
 
HAF2

HAF2

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TacoMac said:
That would be your Republican controlled house.



And that stopped the practice of freeloaders going to the emergency room, getting services, and never paying the bill and sticking the tax payers with picking up the tab. Stopped it damn near completely.



62 cents of every single dollar in this country goes to the military. That is why we can't afford anything else.



Lawyers are why the doctors charge so much, and the vast majority of them are not rich at all. Typically, doctors pay about 40% of their salary to medical malpractice insurance.

It is insurance and lawyers that have ruined this country, not doctors.



Simple rule: If you can't afford it, don't buy it. If you chose to become a slave to credit, that's nobody's fault but your own.
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Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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HAF2 said:
I'd like to be able to have a rational discussion with the no government people. I stated in the OP that this has proven not possible in the past and results in circular talks that go nowhere.
I thank you for confirming my statement.
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if you want to have a discussion you should leave your echo chamber where your confirmation bias can comfort you and answer a couple of questions.

Can a person delegate a right they do not possess? .
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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HAF2 said:
Some of the rules enforced by the government are purely social constraints on how we should treat each other. They shouldn't need to be laws, people should just be able to treat each other well and fairly without them. Alas, that doesn't seem to be the case. It shouldn't have to be a rule that all humans are afforded the same level of service and respect. But it does, because some people are shitty. Sad.
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If people are shitty, why would some people who have legal immunity for shitty behavior be assigned a status of control over other people ?

That seems rather absurd and circular logic.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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HAF2 said:
You're somehow trying say people of today's day and age have no right to want equality; because of the past.
Your logic is false. Your indignation about my interpretation of your words is laughable.
Some people think equal rights is important. Why should that upset you? Unless of course you are not into equal rights.
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Democrats are the big government party. Small government folks for the most part aren't Democrats. This of course always leads to wild flinging of racism, misogyny, sexist, denier ect, ect. from the big government party who also happened to be the strong arm of racists, misogynists and sexists for the majority of the last 150 years. The only evidence Dems seem to have to hold this new position of theirs (which has been common to the rest of us for centuries) is the parties switched sides........and theres no evidence for that.

You charge that I am not into equal rights is laughable and a deflection from the fact that rights do not come from government and a side track to the fact you obviously would support Democrats were you an American.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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HAF2 said:
I'm trying to get right away from all the labelling and name calling "your side/ my side" bullshit.
I want change. It would be a lot easier if everyone was willing to work together to facilitate that change.
I know, I know. Very Canadian and naive of me.

Was going to post the song kumbaya, due to its obvious love thy neighbour stance. But I'm not religious so I'll stick with this.

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No, it wouldn't be a lot easier if everybody worked together on the same things, because people have distinctly separate ways of living their individual lives. By ordering "everybody to work together" ( use of offensive force) , you could only achieve imposed order, but never peace that way.

It would be a lot easier if people agreed to align with those who share common interests and respect those who don't share their interests by leaving them alone as long as they are being left alone too.

If you love your neighbor, you can't express that thru the suppression of the individual by subsuming them into a circus run by a mob / coercion based government. That is a contradiction.
 
HAF2

HAF2

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Rob Roy said:
if you want to have a discussion you should leave your echo chamber where your confirmation bias can comfort you and answer a couple of questions.

Can a person delegate a right they do not possess? .
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First off, no need to be rude.

So can a person delegate a right they do not posses? Please state this question better because I feel it is ambiguous. I think the situation would play a part in what you are talking about.

Do you mean the right of service? Are we back to that? Do I think that the owner of an establishment has the right to refuse service to someone based on physical or mental abilities? No, I do not. I think if they own a business in a place that has a multicultural, multisexual society they have to deal with the customer base.
I've answered this question a number of times but you keep asking it because you don't seem to like my answer.

Question for you: why do you feel it is ok for a person to discriminate against someone based on personal biases?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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SneekyNinja said:
Lol...

"Outlaw"

You watching Sons of Anarchy repeats again?

If there were no Government, who'd protect the 12 years olds from Rob Roy?
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While I think you thought you were being funny, rather than being an ass, your question could be rephrased and I would be happy to answer it.

Well, fuck it, I'll answer it anyway. People would protect 12 year olds. Who else did you think would protect them?
 
SneekyNinja

SneekyNinja

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Rob Roy said:
While I think you thought you were being funny, rather than being an ass, your question could be rephrased and I would be happy to answer it.

Well, fuck it, I'll answer it anyway. People would protect 12 year olds. Who else did you think would protect them?
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People would protect 12 year olds from you?

That's an interesting position to hold...

(I'm just fucking with you though, so don't piss your panties ;) )
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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HAF2 said:
First off, no need to be rude.

So can a person delegate a right they do not posses? Please state this question better because I feel it is ambiguous. I think the situation would play a part in what you are talking about.

Do you mean the right of service? Are we back to that? Do I think that the owner of an establishment has the right to refuse service to someone based on physical or mental abilities? No, I do not. I think if they own a business in a place that has a multicultural, multisexual society they have to deal with the customer base.
I've answered this question a number of times but you keep asking it because you don't seem to like my answer.

Question for you: why do you feel it is ok for a person to discriminate against someone based on personal biases?
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I agree there is no need to be rude. I'll try to maintain decorum, and treat you as polite as you deserve.

I mean the question in a general way, sort of like can you give me an object or a thing which you don't possess and doesn't exist?

The answer to my question is quite obviously "no". If it isn't could you give me an example of why it isn't?

So, do you agree that a person can't delegate a right they do not possess?
 
HAF2

HAF2

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Rob Roy said:
I agree there is no need to be rude. I'll try to maintain decorum, and treat you as polite as you deserve.

I mean the question in a general way, sort of like can you give me an object or a thing which you don't possess and doesn't exist?

The answer to my question is quite obviously "no". If it isn't could you give me an example of why it isn't?

So, do you agree that a person can't delegate a right they do not possess?
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The problem I have been having is you are not trying to have a discussion. You ask rhetorical questions to which you already have the answer mapped out.
If I answer different than what you have planned, you repeat the question again.

I asked you a question too. I'll wait for your answer before I answer your next question. Just like a conversation, neat.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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HAF2 said:
The problem I have been having is you are not trying to have a discussion. You ask rhetorical questions to which you already have the answer mapped out.
If I answer different than what you have planned, you repeat the question again.

I asked you a question too. I'll wait for your answer before I answer your next question. Just like a conversation, neat.
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Okay fair enough, you're saying you'll give me an answer if I give you an answer. What would you like to ask me?
 
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