Another gun thread

[Sir Napsalot]

I bought 1000 Winchester 50gn PSP bullets for $60 shipped from Widener's reloading in TN

 

[Sir Napsalot]

I inherited 11 boxes of once-fired DWM .222Rem. brass

My Stepfather had a Browning Safari .222 which used a SAKO action

 

[Fogdog]

Well, well, well

Finally some payback for the gun industry's cold calculations regarding their valuing profits over broken lives.

Sandy Hook Families Win $73 Million In Lawsuit Against Remington Arms

Sandy Hook Families Win $73 Million In Lawsuit Against Remington Arms

Remington Arms made the gun used to kill 20 children and six adults in the 2012 shooting at a school in Newtown, Connecticut.

www.huffpost.com

“For the gun industry, it’s time to stop recklessly marketing all guns to all people for all uses and instead ask how marketing can lower risk rather than court it,” Koskoff said in a statement. “For the insurance and banking industries, it’s time to recognize the financial cost of underwriting companies that elevate profit by escalating risk. Our hope is that this victory will be the first boulder in the avalanche that forces that change.”

What with the SCOTUS a lock to protect the right of gun manufacturers to enable the killing people with their guns, this is the only way forward right now to address gun homicides in the US. Make them pay and pay and pay until they become a force in solving this problem.

 

[Budley Doright]

Perhaps this will force all gun manufacturers to lobby for better controls, training. And perhaps rethink how they market their wares .

 

[Budley Doright]

Speaking of marketing. When I was a kid buying my first shotgun (15). I sent away for as much info as I could get. The promotional material consisted of typically a father and son or friends depicted in a hunting or can shooten pic. Things sure have changed .

 

[printer]

Perhaps this will force all gun manufacturers to lobby for better controls, training. And perhaps rethink how they market their wares .

Nah, it was a one time event. It will never happen again.

 

[Bagginski]

An assault rifle is a carbine-length weapon with a control that allows the operator to select. “safe, single shot, full auto”, and generally chambered for a cartridge of intermediate power.

Exactly this: if a rifle isn’t capable of at least burst fire less common now than full auto?), and isn’t chambered for a standard military cartridge, it doesn’t matter what it looks like, or what the magazine capacity is. If it IS capable of auto-fire (full or burst), the mag capacity becomes a risk multiplier…but not otherwise

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Exactly this: if a rifle isn’t capable of at least burst fire less common now than full auto?), and isn’t chambered for a standard military cartridge, it doesn’t matter what it looks like, or what the magazine capacity is. If it IS capable of auto-fire (full or burst), the mag capacity becomes a risk multiplier…but not otherwise

it does make it easier to carry more rounds if they're loaded into fewer magazines, and doesn't require them to stop and reload as often...which aren't desirable traits for most people. i get what you're saying, but high capacity mags do make it easier to commit mayhem, even with a semi auto

 

[Fogdog]

Thanks for the minutia. I don't think the jury will care. Remington marketed that gun as a mass murder weapon and the company didn't want to risk your analysis with the jury.

So they settled.

Was this a one-off? We will see. Hundreds of cases will test that. So, happy days for lawyers and fuck you to the gun industry.

 

[Budley Doright]

Exactly this: if a rifle isn’t capable of at least burst fire less common now than full auto?), and isn’t chambered for a standard military cartridge, it doesn’t matter what it looks like, or what the magazine capacity is. If it IS capable of auto-fire (full or burst), the mag capacity becomes a risk multiplier…but not otherwise

This case wasn’t about “what’s an assault rifle”. Remingtons marketing for this gun was a campaign of owning power and a symbol of that power. The AR was definitely not designed as a hunting weapon and Remington admitted this with their ads, that cost them 75 million, much more IMO if they didn’t settle, they had that opinion as well !
Let me rephrase that, it’s the insurance companies that settled, Remington in it self no longer exist.

 

[Kerowacked]

So why didn’t they go after the video game maker? Its high time we shut down Hollywood too, we are way past glorified gunfighters.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

So why didn’t they go after the video game maker? Its high time we shut down Hollywood too, we are way past glorified gunfighters.

and while we're at it, let's take down whoever is responsible for those fucking horrible madea movies...those are a true crime against humanity

 

[mooray]

Exactly this: if a rifle isn’t capable of at least burst fire less common now than full auto?), and isn’t chambered for a standard military cartridge, it doesn’t matter what it looks like, or what the magazine capacity is. If it IS capable of auto-fire (full or burst), the mag capacity becomes a risk multiplier…but not otherwise

Some states have assault rifle definitions, so there hasn't been a universal definition for decades.

 

[Kerowacked]

Some states have assault rifle definitions, so there hasn't been a universal definition for decades.

Congress defined assault style rifles clearly in the ban twenty five years ago, and by model. Didn’t do any good since the manufacturers got them reclassified as others.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Exactly this: if a rifle isn’t capable of at least burst fire less common now than full auto?), and isn’t chambered for a standard military cartridge, it doesn’t matter what it looks like, or what the magazine capacity is. If it IS capable of auto-fire (full or burst), the mag capacity becomes a risk multiplier…but not otherwise

why does it motherfucking matter? one round, three rounds, twenty rounds...how fucking hard is it to pull a trigger? you can discuss this kind of ignorant shit in hell with ted bundy and kyle rittenhouse...
dead motherfuckers are dead, no matter what you call the weapon that killed them

 

[BudmanTX]

well looks like the Air Force has to pay up.....little late for me getting to this...

Air Force Ordered to Pay $230 Million to Victims of 2017 Church Shooting (Published 2022)

A federal judge on Monday ruled that the U.S. Air Force must pay survivors and families of the 26 people killed in the attack in Sutherland Springs, Texas, for its failure to report the gunman’s criminal history.

www.nytimes.com

this moron shouldn't even have access to one in the first place

 

[Fogdog]

Nah, it was a one time event. It will never happen again.

If that means no more Sandy Hooks. Yeah, I'm good.

 

[mooray]

Congress defined assault style rifles clearly in the ban twenty five years ago, and by model. Didn’t do any good since the manufacturers got them reclassified as others.

Which is probably the reason for the state laws.

 

[Fogdog]

why does it motherfucking matter? one round, three rounds, twenty rounds...how fucking hard is it to pull a trigger? you can discuss this kind of ignorant shit in hell with ted bundy and kyle rittenhouse...
dead motherfuckers are dead, no matter what you call the weapon that killed them

I don't get it either. These gun threads always devolve into minutia regarding hardware.

Hundreds killed in Las Vegas and the thread went to talking about bump stocks. Shit like that.

Boys and their toys.

 

[Fogdog]

Which is probably the reason for the state laws.

Nothing wrong with that. But that's not even close to addressing the issue of gun homicides in this country. What is it you say about shitty people?