American Wildfires

Aeroknow

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Yeah man the whole West side of Almanor got torched, it's sad. 70 is not as bad as people make it out to be as far as travel time, they get you through the lights pretty fast. More rock slides than usual so you've got to be on your toes, but there's less traffic than before, because everybody is scared of all the closures.
I have a friend who's building a house in Paradise so I went down a couple times this last summer. It's a damn shame, Paradise doesn't even look the same at all. It's surreal how you can be in a neighborhood that you totally know and not be able to recognize where you are. There were some huge trees in that town before the fire.
One of my best buddies lives by Scooters, right before the first light. He says it’s not that bad but the crew I went out that way to play golf with said fuck that. Plus they live in Chico lol so 32 it was.
When I lived in Paradise i would usually take the 32 when hauling my boat up over there just because it was an easier drive with boat but otherwise it was the 70
 
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CCGNZ

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I hadn’t been up there since the summer of 2018. I used to fish Almanor at least a few times every summer, usually camping too. We played a round at Bailey Creek last year, a few months ago, right before the season ended so it was the first time driving out through there post Dixie fire. We went up 32 since the 70 is still jacked up with the lights so also got a lot of views of the Park fire scars. It brought back some shit man. Was pretty bumbed that day.

I have a few buddies that still live, and grow, in Concow and Yankee hill. I’m always going out there and I don’t know if you know the area but I’d say most people are still in Trailers from the Camp fire. It’s so god damn depressing. On my way home from there I’ll sometimes say fuck it and take Pentz up to check out my old property in P town, don’t even ask why I do that to myself lol. But I don’t know if you’ve driven through Paradise lately but 6 yrs later and it looks and feels like it’s only been a couple years. Gonna take a LONG time to seem more “normal” if it ever even could to most of us. Everyone i know from Paradise, lots of friends and family, bought elsewhere. I rebuilt somewhere much safer in this county. Turns out this county is fucking cursed though so safer doesn’t mean safe i guess.
I'm on the other coast (MA) and I can't comprehend the pain and anguish going on in CA,I've always had this vision of CA cool,the trends,the laid back state of mind,the center of the universe for US cool culture going back to the Eagles on AM radio as a kid. A magical place in my mind, I don't have solutions to wild fires as I remember "Emergency" episodes as a kid w/big CA brush fires 50 yrs. ago,the rolling hills and canyons w/desert like chaparral when coupled w/ little to no precipitation is extremely dangerous w/wind driven fires. What a contradiction such beautiful views overlooking the Pacific presents to all residents,Ca. is known for it's progressive approach,possibly building codes emphasizing masonry and metal roofing though the expense may be too great for many long time residents,how about cloud seeding technology to alleviate extreme drought, or research into eco-friendly retardants applied to dry vegetation. I don't know,but I wouldn't want to give up if I resided in an area resembling paradise,solutions need to be found for these people.
 

Aeroknow

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I'm on the other coast (MA) and I can't comprehend the pain and anguish going on in CA,I've always had this vision of CA cool,the trends,the laid back state of mind,the center of the universe for US cool culture going back to the Eagles on AM radio as a kid. A magical place in my mind, I don't have solutions to wild fires as I remember "Emergency" episodes as a kid w/big CA brush fires 50 yrs. ago,the rolling hills and canyons w/desert like chaparral when coupled w/ little to no precipitation is extremely dangerous w/wind driven fires. What a contradiction such beautiful views overlooking the Pacific presents to all residents,Ca. is known for it's progressive approach,possibly building codes emphasizing masonry and metal roofing though the expense may be too great for many long time residents,how about cloud seeding technology to alleviate extreme drought, or research into eco-friendly retardants applied to dry vegetation. I don't know,but I wouldn't want to give up if I resided in an area resembling paradise,solutions need to be found for these people.
I’m not going to act like i’m the authority on this but we have quite a few newer building codes addressing fire, if in the Urban Wildland Interface, that really do a LOT making new construction safer from fire. The absolute #1 thing is no exposed eaves, has to have a cementitious covering(like stucco or hardi board. And “ember safe” vents on the intake vents of your attic ventilation. <<that right there is the most important thing. Vulcan Vents are the #1 vent that is the only approved vents in many counties here in the north state. I would say second to those things would be having no flammable landscaping up to the house.
I’m a union Lather by trade(metal stud framer and much more) but being a lather that’s my shit too. Preventing embers from being sucked into the attic. Metal or tile roofing is def great though don’t get me wrong.
Lots of other code that has and will save structures. Problem is fires like the one that changed my life forever. It was a straight up inferno/fire storm. With the wind raging and the couple decades long drought we had there was no stopping that fire didn’t matter what the fuck you did to your house.

I don’t have an answer to an easy solution to this.
 

CCGNZ

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I’m not going to act like i’m the authority on this but we have quite a few newer building codes addressing fire, if in the Urban Wildland Interface, that really do a LOT making new construction safer from fire. The absolute #1 thing is no exposed eaves, has to have a cementitious covering(like stucco or hardi board. And “ember safe” vents on the intake vents of your attic ventilation. <<that right there is the most important thing. Vulcan Vents are the #1 vent that is the only approved vents in many counties here in the north state. I would say second to those things would be having no flammable landscaping up to the house.
I’m a union Lather by trade(metal stud framer and much more) but being a lather that’s my shit too. Preventing embers from being sucked into the attic. Metal or tile roofing is def great though don’t get me wrong.
Lots of other code that has and will save structures. Problem is fires like the one that changed my life forever. It was a straight up inferno/fire storm. With the wind raging and the couple decades long drought we had there was no stopping that fire didn’t matter what the fuck you did to your house.

I don’t have an answer to an easy solution to this.
I FEEL you man,that's why at the outset when the political blame game was immediately mobilized within 24 hrs I posted that NO ONE was at fault for a 90 mph wind driven inferno it was FKN ludicrous and a FKN sad sign of the times,I just read a article about CA. County's fire dept. helicopter pilots on the hellish first night.Their chopper was being thrown about by updrafts and downdrafts 100 ft. of altitude,the transmission fluid warning lights were indicating empty as the fluid was shifting around and not getting to the pump due to the violent changes in alt.,they said they'd NEVER seen that( the pilot was a former military night-stalker sp. forces vet w/thousands of hrs. in the seat) and they had to abort that terrible night. I hate to say but in order to build homes developers have lobbied zoning changes and homes are built to close together these days,if you can believe this my city of 95k has allowed so many zoning variances that homes are being built on 3500 sq. ft lots,city finances are so FK'D that they are hungry for expanding the tax base congestion be damned,I've got a old S.Fam in the corner of a 13k sq.foot corner lot and could easily sell a 6k chunk for 150k,but I resist,my hood is zoned 10 k at the edge of the city,so 3500k is out but in the inner part of the city seems like anything goes,maybe diff zoning could help out CA in the future rebuild ,but of course many would be left out by this,it's a clusterfk,balancing cogestion/fire hazards w/ peoples dream of having their own home.
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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I just read the L A Fire is the most costliest in the history of the USA. No surprise there, when most of the structures are houses worth millions of dollars.
So let’s talk about people having so much money and so much stuff , expensive stuff, and when it all burns up everyone has to pay for it. Now for the people who are just trying to get by and have a modest life style are now going to have to have jacked up insurance to help out the recovery for the million dollar bitches. I don’t know about you but it pains me to think the hard working folks have to help out Paris Hilton and the likes to help them buy more new excessive materialistic crap to start over again. Well, what happens when it all burns up again. This madness has to stop.
 

CCGNZ

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I just read the L A Fire is the most costliest in the history of the USA. No surprise there, when most of the structures are houses worth millions of dollars.
So let’s talk about people having so much money and so much stuff , expensive stuff, and when it all burns up everyone has to pay for it. Now for the people who are just trying to get by and have a modest life style are now going to have to have jacked up insurance to help out the recovery for the million dollar bitches. I don’t know about you but it pains me to think the hard working folks have to help out Paris Hilton and the likes to help them buy more new excessive materialistic crap to start over again. Well, what happens when it all burns up again. This madness has to stop.
Just read a applicable article of the state of insurance in highly threatened areas flood/fire and it's been a kick the can down the rd. for yrs and need reform BADLY,however where is the political will in a time when we are literally stuck in the mud playing 6th grade schoolyard games politically for more than a decade across the board concerning national debt,military procurement/policies,tax reform, nat. health care,social safety net,on and on,executive orders by Biden to deal w/climate change/green energy undone by Trumps ex. orders to drill ,can't begin to move forward when ev. 4 yrs 180 contradictions are put in place.
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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It is going to get to a breaking point and lifestyles will have to change regardless of policy because people are smart and will find ways to persevere. Mobile lifestyle will be the norm with electric RVs replacing the land locked houses . More RV parks with charging stations. People will have to learn to live with less.
Just read a applicable article of the state of insurance in highly threatened areas flood/fire and it's been a kick the can down the rd. for yrs and need reform BADLY,however where is the political will in a time when we are literally stuck in the mud playing 6th grade schoolyard games politically for more than a decade across the board concerning national debt,military procurement/policies,tax reform, nat. health care,social safety net,on and on,executive orders by Biden to deal w/climate change/green energy undone by Trumps ex. orders to drill ,can't begin to move forward when ev. 4 yrs 180 contradictions are put in place.
 

CCGNZ

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It is going to get to a breaking point and lifestyles will have to change regardless of policy because people are smart and will find ways to persevere. Mobile lifestyle will be the norm with electric RVs replacing the land locked houses . More RV parks with charging stations. People will have to learn to live with less.
I hear you,I just can't comprehend the country being ready to jettison the "American Dream",nor presently being ready to move in unison to accomplish ANYTHING presently,the division currently is a death by a thousand cuts perpetuated by lies,mis/disinformation/algorithm driven news silos driven by in/out of country actors. We've sold out are ideals and opaque money has infected politics terminally,individual over nation,party over country,man I wish we could beam back to the post WW2 unity of a nation w/shared experience when we had the drive/confidence to overcome and saying we were great were more than seemingly empty words.We are in a place today where we have to come to grips w/our national /international standing in a changing perilous world, recalibrate ,accept a slice of humble pie,and start digging out,and I'm pretty sure the grifter putting a hand on the bible today won't start the process as he birthed his share of this conundrum.
 

Drop That Sound

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I just read the L A Fire is the most costliest in the history of the USA. No surprise there, when most of the structures are houses worth millions of dollars.
So let’s talk about people having so much money and so much stuff , expensive stuff, and when it all burns up everyone has to pay for it. Now for the people who are just trying to get by and have a modest life style are now going to have to have jacked up insurance to help out the recovery for the million dollar bitches. I don’t know about you but it pains me to think the hard working folks have to help out Paris Hilton and the likes to help them buy more new excessive materialistic crap to start over again. Well, what happens when it all burns up again. This madness has to stop.
It was also the SMARTest of fires. I mean, how do that many structures with that much unmaintained land consecutively burn down each night, yet 99.99 percent of the residents somehow all got away without being burned alive? It has barely cost any human lives, even compared to so many other way way smaller fires...

More people have died in single large apartment complex building fires when its cold and rainy even with firefighters spraying unlimited water than when entire neighborhoods and 10s of thousand of structures ignite with hurricane force inferno winds with no water at all?

:confused:
 

efi2

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I just read the L A Fire is the most costliest in the history of the USA. No surprise there, when most of the structures are houses worth millions of dollars.
So let’s talk about people having so much money and so much stuff , expensive stuff, and when it all burns up everyone has to pay for it. Now for the people who are just trying to get by and have a modest life style are now going to have to have jacked up insurance to help out the recovery for the million dollar bitches. I don’t know about you but it pains me to think the hard working folks have to help out Paris Hilton and the likes to help them buy more new excessive materialistic crap to start over again. Well, what happens when it all burns up again. This madness has to stop.
Just like those who bought EV at 100k +/-20% than crashed/burn down making those ev worth 10k salvage.the insurance pay off the bank notes .the cost is placed upon the common person.as the oligarchs get their roi.NOT JUST EV THIS ALSO INCLUDES 100K PICKUP TRUCKS SAME S_IT.
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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It was also the SMARTest of fires. I mean, how do that many structures with that much unmaintained land consecutively burn down each night, yet 99.99 percent of the residents somehow all got away without being burned alive? It has barely cost any human lives, even compared to so many other way way smaller fires...

More people have died in single large apartment complex building fires when its cold and rainy even with firefighters spraying unlimited water than when entire neighborhoods and 10s of thousand of structures ignite with hurricane force inferno winds with no water at all?

:confused:
Who is going to make the most from this?
There in lies the answer.
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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Just like those who bought EV at 100k +/-20% than crashed/burn down making those ev worth 10k salvage.the insurance pay off the bank notes .the cost is placed upon the common person.as the oligarchs get their roi.NOT JUST EV THIS ALSO INCLUDES 100K PICKUP TRUCKS SAME S_IT.
Having an Electric RVs all over is kinda a pipe dream though, where is all the electric power going to come from? How much will they charge you for the electric power and who knows how much. Maybe gas will still end up cheaper .
 
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Dr.Amber Trichome

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I hear you,I just can't comprehend the country being ready to jettison the "American Dream",nor presently being ready to move in unison to accomplish ANYTHING presently,the division currently is a death by a thousand cuts perpetuated by lies,mis/disinformation/algorithm driven news silos driven by in/out of country actors. We've sold out are ideals and opaque money has infected politics terminally,individual over nation,party over country,man I wish we could beam back to the post WW2 unity of a nation w/shared experience when we had the drive/confidence to overcome and saying we were great were more than seemingly empty words.We are in a place today where we have to come to grips w/our national /international standing in a changing perilous world, recalibrate ,accept a slice of humble pie,and start digging out,and I'm pretty sure the grifter putting a hand on the bible today won't start the process as he birthed his share of this conundrum.
I just moved from San Jose California and you should see the local news! the Chinese national communist party owns that place.
 

injinji

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. . . . . . .The town that I grew up in and still live just outside of burnt down in 2021 in the Dixie wildfire, and although I still live here it is not the same place at all, it never will be. There were suicides afterwards, many core members of the community moved away, my best friend moved away. The landscape changes in ways that you aren't even aware of. It's strange you don't think that you can remember every tree or bush but when they are gone you are aware of an absence, it's like there is a negative space that you can feel but can never be reconciled. There is so much more that is lost when these things happen than the monetary/material loss. It's strange and hard to explain but so much of who we are is associated with a sense of place, and your sense of place is tied into a mental map. When something like this happens that completely erases all these mental landmarks you lose your sense of place, you lose that part of you forever. . . . . . .
It was the same with Hurricane Michael. It's been six years and I still can't just walk through my woods. Or paddle up the creek. You still see folks replacing their rotten blue tarps with fresh blue tarps. But most of the houses that haven't been repaired are too far gone at this point to bother.

For most of my adult life I have loosely followed the Muscogee (Creek) Traditions. The oldest biggest red cedar on the Sandhill was my life tree. I put my hands on it everyday. taking energy from The Grandfathers. I can see it's twisted, broken trunk from my back deck. So yea, there is no fixing that hole in my life. And there is never going to be a day when I don't damn climate change, and the folks who are making it worse.
 

injinji

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I’m not going to act like i’m the authority on this but we have quite a few newer building codes addressing fire, if in the Urban Wildland Interface, that really do a LOT making new construction safer from fire. The absolute #1 thing is no exposed eaves, has to have a cementitious covering(like stucco or hardi board. And “ember safe” vents on the intake vents of your attic ventilation. <<that right there is the most important thing. Vulcan Vents are the #1 vent that is the only approved vents in many counties here in the north state. I would say second to those things would be having no flammable landscaping up to the house.
I’m a union Lather by trade(metal stud framer and much more) but being a lather that’s my shit too. Preventing embers from being sucked into the attic. Metal or tile roofing is def great though don’t get me wrong.
Lots of other code that has and will save structures. Problem is fires like the one that changed my life forever. It was a straight up inferno/fire storm. With the wind raging and the couple decades long drought we had there was no stopping that fire didn’t matter what the fuck you did to your house.

I don’t have an answer to an easy solution to this.
When the French were encouraging the natives to burn English towns in the colonies, there was rapid changes to the building codes. Their answer was having the second story reach out over the first so no one could climb on your roof. This style came to be know as Garrison. And also all wooden structures had to be coated with non flammable plaster.

Changes will have to be made. The good news is that we have lots of smart folks working on it. We just need to stop actively trying to stop those folks.

An example of a Garrison house.

 

CCGNZ

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When the French were encouraging the natives to burn English towns in the colonies, there was rapid changes to the building codes. Their answer was having the second story reach out over the first so no one could climb on your roof. This style came to be know as Garrison. And also all wooden structures had to be coated with non flammable plaster.

Changes will have to be made. The good news is that we have lots of smart folks working on it. We just need to stop actively trying to stop those folks.

An example of a Garrison house.

Nice example,but the lot size is a joke,one of the 2 homes on the sides previously had a yard,and sought a zoning variance to sub-divide, all to eagerly accepted by a zoning board hell bent on expanding the tax base of a financially strapped city/town budget w/NO regard for congestion/w quality of life issues. Not to mention so many Americans are lazy/obese that a landscaper probably cuts what is a 30x30 front yard w/a riding lawnmower.
 

CCGNZ

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It was the same with Hurricane Michael. It's been six years and I still can't just walk through my woods. Or paddle up the creek. You still see folks replacing their rotten blue tarps with fresh blue tarps. But most of the houses that haven't been repaired are too far gone at this point to bother.

For most of my adult life I have loosely followed the Muscogee (Creek) Traditions. The oldest biggest red cedar on the Sandhill was my life tree. I put my hands on it everyday. taking energy from The Grandfathers. I can see it's twisted, broken trunk from my back deck. So yea, there is no fixing that hole in my life. And there is never going to be a day when I don't damn climate change, and the folks who are making it worse.
SAD, like so many national tragedies the media has a short attention span,shove a mic in the face of people who've been devastated,followed by the empty "SO SORRY'S",then on to the next,how are the people whose lives/communities were devastated in N. Carolina floods doing 6 mos. later? Same w/ the Cal fires now that the "NEW" grifter in chief has grabbed the spotlight. With all the misery that has been accelerated by climate change the last decade how many areas across the country are suffering in silence,not even close to being whole again, long abandoned by a seemingly sympathetic media racing to get boots on the ground to throw a mic in the face of the next new disaster victim. Thanks for making your plight known that misery lasts LONG after the media deems it fashionable, it brings to mind a verse in Don Henley's "Dirty Laundry","The pretty little bleach blonde comes on a 5,she can tell about the plane crash w/a gleam in her eyes".
 
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