Aerocloners unite!!!

Can you guys help me out on this one....My daisy cloner keeps growing white slime and green stuff on the inside of it. I cant even leave it for 2 days without crap getting all over the baskets and of course its probly all over the stem inhibiting root growth. Thats just my guess. My last clones had white shit all over the tips of the stems and they all drooped and were shriveling so I got rid of them and started over. Im getting some hygrozyme tomorrow. I hope that takes care of the green slime white shit. Ive tried h2o2, bleach (bad idea) so far and it keeps coming back. Will hygrozyme be the answer or could it be simple light leaking into it? Any ideas on how I can check my cloner for leaks? Im stumped on how to do it.

bugsrnme said:

get h2o2 if you can 35% works great 50 is better but harder to find for some people. 1 ml/l of 50 and 1.7 ml/l of 35.....all the horse semen floating around and stickin to stuff will die


well, you whore of babylon......secret ingredients......snake oil peddler. go burn in heck buddy. "i dont use anything but tap water....blablabla.
bullshit

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DUDE I am sorrykiss-ass i was going to tell you soon i just wanted to try it out first before i stepped in it.

And bugs since your still throwing money at clones i would try it out i was suprized it worked too but it does 5 weeks and not one bit of slime or goo anywhere.

anhedonia said:

Can you guys help me out on this one....My daisy cloner keeps growing white slime and green stuff on the inside of it. I cant even leave it for 2 days without crap getting all over the baskets and of course its probly all over the stem inhibiting root growth. Thats just my guess. My last clones had white shit all over the tips of the stems and they all drooped and were shriveling so I got rid of them and started over. Im getting some hygrozyme tomorrow. I hope that takes care of the green slime white shit. Ive tried h2o2, bleach (bad idea) so far and it keeps coming back. Will hygrozyme be the answer or could it be simple light leaking into it? Any ideas on how I can check my cloner for leaks? Im stumped on how to do it.

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Bro your over thinking it! Get your pathogen control and work back wards i doubt you have light leaks that are causing your goo.

Does bugs live in your area? we all know him to be a perv and sneak into other grows to goo up others cloners out of jealousy.

Day 9 and still waiting for some roots. They still look good though. I should have my ez-cloner replacement misters soon and might step up the gph of the pump.

Return of the Spork said:

Day 9 and still waiting for some roots. They still look good though. I should have my ez-cloner replacement misters soon and might step up the gph of the pump.

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Hey spork! When you look at your clones do they have water dripping off them? If so your just fine....

Getting hygrzyme tommorow. I'll let ya'all know if its worth the thirty sumthin dollars a bottle. I really expect this stuff to work though.

Yeah they appear fine, however I do read about people getting better results with a finer mist that is why I am going to rework it to use the ez-cloner misters. If we hit the 2 week mark with no results then I will stress about it. I mean, hey, im not bugs afterall right?

Return of the Spork said:

Yeah they appear fine, however I do read about people getting better results with a finer mist that is why I am going to rework it to use the ez-cloner misters. If we hit the 2 week mark with no results then I will stress about it. I mean, hey, im not bugs afterall right?

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UHHHHHHHH......, DAMN SPARKY.........now you've done it. why spork....why!!!!!!!!!!!!

but i hear ya i'm on day 11 and had none yesterday but havent looked today. cruelty comes easy to you i see, well, i spose you'll do well growing.

anhedonia said:

Getting hygrzyme tommorow. I'll let ya'all know if its worth the thirty sumthin dollars a bottle. I really expect this stuff to work though.

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some folks swear by it.....i dont have it yet but have been thinking about it to see if it actually improves yields...let us know how it goes

Haha hey, you gotta speak the language here.

I am just glad I threw my smallest mother into flower while this clone shit gets sorted out. She is starting to look pretty.

You know, I have spent a good hour reading online this morning and someone somewhere else posted about having the cloner setup damn near exactly how mine is and reported problems and how they fixed them. Small minor things that I think make all of the difference.

I had no real idea what kind of spray/mist I was looking for, nor did I have access to ideal misters so I used what many people have reported working for them.

I am using a spinner type mister, and many of them. My pump seemed to run them fine as far as I could tell, and the bottom seemed to get sprayed similarly to how I have seen many online, While I have no doubt they will root eventually, the quick results that many others seem to get were not mine.

I came to find that when using the spinner types, less of them is better because you need a higher pressure to operate them at a speed to produce a fine enough mist. The water is enough but not too much to keep them alive, and to probably produce roots, just not when the speed that they would in more optimal conditions.

Also, unknown to me, it appears there were small leaks where water was able to spray on some stems. Not noticeable really but enough to cause discoloration and some weakening at those points. I would imagine rotting or mold. Not severe or really dehabilitating, but I imagine in the fragile state it is enough to hinder progress.

So while I am sure these will still root within the next week, if they don't show any roots by tomorrow, I am going to scrap them when do upgrades. I will be beefing up the water pump, as well as installing netpots to help with the leaks, and the ez-clone replacement misters for some tested and true misters that will produce what I need.

Thankfully my mothers are in overdrive right now creating more clone cuttings than I know what to do with, I just hope that I get the results I want because I would like to retire the moms soon as I understand the topping/training process better to produce the right size moms.

The other post I found that helped me basically showed huge results of 1week vs 2-2.5weeks to root when using a superfine mist vs the typical mist/spray you get from typical misters.

Hope I get the same results, will just have to see.

i clone consistently....and badly at the same time. but i hear ya on the one step at a time thing. i want to know exactly what did it when it finall gets right.

Will do, Just finished doing all the upgrades/sterlization/cuttings.

Ended up using 10 of the ez-cloner misters, a 550gph pump, and the netpots and neoprene pucks for a better seal.

The spray is much finer, still not what I would consider a mister like you would get on a patio, but a much finer spray so hopefully that will make the difference. I also upgraded my couple cfl lighting to a shoplight. Not ideal spectrum but better than what I had.

But this is time zero for these 32 puppies. Lets see how they do...

Return of the Spork said:

Will do, Just finished doing all the upgrades/sterlization/cuttings.

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awesome

Ended up using 10 of the ez-cloner misters,

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nothing but the best. i use the same

a 550gph pump,

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damn mines is a 396 gph pump and i use 10 red heads also and it sprays the tiniest little droplets you ever did see. not a mist though, i hear ya on that one.

and the netpots and neoprene pucks for a better seal.

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by far one of the best things i did to get my cloner producingefficiently

The spray is much finer, still not what I would consider a mister like you would get on a patio, but a much finer spray so hopefully that will make the difference

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i gaurantee it or i'll give you an ounce of my white widow

I also upgraded my couple cfl lighting to a shoplight. Not ideal spectrum but better than what I had.

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baby steps are still steps forward. keep it up

But this is time zero for these 32 puppies. Lets see how they do...

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i cant wait to see em hangin for ya. lol


oh btw everybody i got roots on day 14, so that is way better, still have a few more tweaks but back on schedule.....well almost, but closer none the less

working on a 15 site cloner right now.. i got a 190gph pump will this be too small? i also have a 490gph pump but i already got everything hooked to the 190... ill take some pics later.. waiti9n for the store to open lol 15 mins.

hoots123 said:

working on a 15 site cloner right now.. i got a 190gph pump will this be too small? i also have a 490gph pump but i already got everything hooked to the 190... ill take some pics later.. waiti9n for the store to open lol 15 mins.

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i use a 396 and it sprays nicely....cant comment on the 190 but it might be ok for a small unit like that. mine is a 36 gallon tote with 10 gallons of water at a time ph'd to 5.8 treated with 35% h2o2 at 1.7 ml/l of water every 2-3 days max, with 150 ml of clonex rooting solution in the aerated with 2 stones reservior that has an aquarium heater set to 78 but never gets above 75 in the water. air temps are 80 degrees and my rh around my cloner is about 75%. i have had a long damn road to get where i'm at with my cloner and still have a few more things to do. one is get the digital recycle timer so i can put the misters on 1 min on and 5 min off and the other is to build another cloner following .........sigh........stinkbuds plan. fucker was right about the waterproofing. but my point was still valid. i just needed to see for myself. i believe in telling people what i know works not just what ive heard from a reliable source. but anyway i got roots in 14 days finally but i need to get it to around 7-9 so that by 14 they will be angry fu man chu roots

The concern is balancing the number of sprayers you have to the size of your pump, while it also providing enough coverage and it not being so big compared to your amt of water that it doesn't heat it up too much.

I would suggest firing up the smaller one, checking the coverage. And then for shits and giggles fire up the bigger one. If you get a finer mist, then go for the bigger one. I think that makes the difference between a glorified bubbler or an aero cloner.

wow ya the 190 is a Heap of nothing really.. haha it just spudders out the bottom and its actually only a 160. i bought 3 kinds of misters.. blue 360 red 360 and the some yellow onse with black heads.. i tried them all out the blue and red onse seems to be about the same the yellow onse just shoot straight up and mist i only got 4 misters and its in a 40 litre tub. not too big.. mist is more like shooting water dropplets kinda.
i hope it works out.. seems to be enough water flowing..

my question is what kind of timer do i put it on.. i got 1 digital timer that can do 24 timers on and off for 1 day.. and i got a cheapo one where you insert those little nobs so like 4 times a day..

what should i have the cycle on ill probably use the digital one.. 10 mins each hour or what???

oh and now my tub leaks all over heh so you need to tape it closed too or what??

Most people just seem to keep it on 24/7,

I am personally using 15 min on/15 min off since I have one of the ones that you can just click in or out the 15 min intervals.

I don't think it really matters, people who do the 15/15 usually report "faster" rooting times because it encourages root growth with a dry period.

An extension of that is 15/30 or as bugs was saying 1/5 if you have the spiffy timers.

In the end, if you don't have a timer that allows for 15 min on/15 min off, then just keep it on 24/7

Bugs,
I have been following your thread (apparently you are the Baron). I have been hoping to learn something since the only way I get the clones I need is to take a lot of them so I can absorb big losses. Does it not seem that some people like yourself do everything right and get less than perfect results while others seem to do almost nothing and get roots fast every time?
I am thinking that the lousy results are often from some sort of pathogen that slows rooting or kills clones. Could it be that some peoples homes have spores that hurt clones while others do not? Just like bread will mold faster in some places than others even if they both seem equally clean.
One time I helped a friend take a bunch of clones. It was just a tub of water with an air stone and a light. He got like 80% while I was getting less than 30% with the same set up at my place.
Yesterday I got one of those Sunleaves UV Water Sterilizer in the mail. I dropped it in my bubble cloner after changing the water and rinsing off the white goo from the stems of my clones.
What do you think of my idea of why we fail? What do you think of the UV Sterilizer?
I will post here in a few days to let you know how my experiment is going.