Abolish private healthcare insurance

knucklehead bob

knucklehead bob

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UncleBuck said:
I’m not sure we’d keep getting million dollar contracts from the top two architecture firms in boulder county if we sucked so bad at it but maybe this dim bulb racist knows something the rest of us don’t
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I' m bright enough to know how to keep my appendages out of the line of fire .

And no , I'm not going to kill myself .

Although , you just might if you don't watch what the fuck you are doing . . . . :bigjoint:
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Budley Doright said:
I’ve been to emerg a few times in my working career, working around the farm is an accident waiting to happen lol.
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That nail in the bone was one of two times I’ve had to go to the hospital for a work injury

the other time I was cutting back a caulk line. Knife jumped off the caulk line and about5 feet back into my hand, went in full hog

I quietly asked my colleague for a scrap of drop cloth, wrapped it around my hand, and drove to the hospital

7 stitches and 2 hours later I was back on the job. Customer never knew what happened.

the nearest hospital was a teaching hospital. Got stitched up by a smoking hot med student. Bill was only$600
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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knucklehead bob said:
I' m bright enough to know how to keep my appendages out of the line of fire .

And no , I'm not going to kill myself .

Although , you just might if you don't watch what the fuck you are doing . . . . :bigjoint:
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Ok you’re smarter than every single veteran framer in the construction industry, all of whom have inevitably nailed themselves at one time or another

go with that, don’t bother listening to everyone who has actually worked in the trades mr.soft hands
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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blu3bird said:
It's not free though. Your Medicare is paid for with taxes (if you work and have taxable income). So if you don't work, someone who does paid taxes for that Medicare. It might have been "no cost to you" but it definitely wasn't free. Whether you work or not is none of my business and I don't care.

I'm not judging you, but it's absurd to me that you believe you shouldn't have any responsibility to provide your own healthcare or pay the medical bills you incur.

I guess I'm the exact opposite, I don't feel like anyone, especially the government is responsible to provide for me
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Its so inexpensive to, Comes out of our tax returns so it feels like its free as we dont have to physically pay it. So for us it feels like its free.
The govt is there to govern for you. Why should that not include schools and healthcare?
One of the main benefits of socialised healthcare is the downward pressure it puts on private insurance policies prices and the upward pressure for inclusions. Its why our private medical insurance cost is so much less than yours.
You put 10,000 aussies in a room and ask for anyone to raise their hand if they want to get rid of medicare you wont get a hand raised, even from any doctors in the crowed. Insurance companies and big Pharma is wanting it to go though, wonder why?
Ever met an aussie on this site say it should go? Nope, cause it works.
 
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Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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For anyone wondering what the true cost of medicare is. Here is a copy of my Tax assessment showing where my taxs went. I think some of you may find it interesting. Notice defence is less spending than the important stuff except for schooling, be nice if that was swapped around.
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Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Budley Doright said:
Well it depressed me lol. Why did you post it?
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Keep in mind Australians dont pay any income tax untill we earn over 19k. (helps protect low income earners)

Can see the $ for $ cost of Socialised Healthcare. I would guess that Americans would have the Defence budget and Fuel subsidy's as higher priority's. But i could be wrong.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Budley Doright said:
Working on the railroad I’m amazed you still have all your digits lol.
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I used to "ride herd" on 200 twenty something newly hired apprentices before I retired, used to tell'em that if they lost a finger or a hand, just to pass the oxyacetylene torch over it a couple of times and they'd be fine! :D Cauterizes the wound and sterilizes it at the same time. Part of my job was training these young "pups" and if I caught one throwing his torch under a boxcar to the other side...:-(
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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Lucky Luke said:
Keep in mind Australians dont pay any income tax untill we earn over 19k. (helps protect low income earners)

Can see the $ for $ cost of Socialised Healthcare. I would guess that Americans would have the Defence budget and Fuel subsidy's as higher priority's. But i could be wrong.
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Don’t think your wrong. The military “defence” budget has always been huge and in some respects that’s a good thing IMO, and I thank them for it. The tax break they gave the rich could have taken care of a big chunk of universal health care I think I read.
 
Lucky Luke

Lucky Luke

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Budley Doright said:
Don’t think your wrong. The military “defence” budget has always been huge and in some respects that’s a good thing IMO, and I thank them for it. The tax break they gave the rich could have taken care of a big chunk of universal health care I think I read.
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Well be hard for America to do social healthcare properly. They probably need a multi pronged approach. Shave the Fuel subsidy a little might be a start, maybe consolidate a few military bases, Stop invading placers for big business. Going to have to be a new tax or levy in there somewhere to of cause (Buck said early on in the thread something along the lines "tax me more so I dont have to pay Private insurance".)
I think that there needs to be a discussion on how Public healthcare and its hospitals can be used to profit off Private patients as well. That happens extensively here.

A huge benefit of the way the Aussie system works is the the PBS (Prescription benefits scheme). Put simply the majority of Prescription drugs are heavily subsidised by the govt. Guessing that also means that the govt being in effect a large purchaser of drugs (and the one who regulates the drugs) gets a better deal.
Another benefit is that when the Private healthcare companies want to put up their premiums it needs govt to Ok it. They cannot increase premiums just to suit shareholders. They need legitimate reasons.

Private and Public can work hand in hand to deliver a decent system at a fair and reasonable price.
 
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blu3bird

blu3bird

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Lucky Luke said:
Its so inexpensive to, Comes out of our tax returns so it feels like its free as we dont have to physically pay it. So for us it feels like its free.
The govt is there to govern for you. Why should that not include schools and healthcare?
One of the main benefits of socialised healthcare is the downward pressure it puts on private insurance policies prices and the upward pressure for inclusions. Its why our private medical insurance cost is so much less than yours.
You put 10,000 aussies in a room and ask for anyone to raise their hand if they want to get rid of medicare you wont get a hand raised, even from any doctors in the crowed. Insurance companies and big Pharma is wanting it to go though, wonder why?
Ever met an aussie on this site say it should go? Nope, cause it works.
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Don't get me wrong, I know I probably sound like I don't think everyone should have insurance/health coverage, that's not what I believe though. I don't mind paying some extra for less fortunate folks like physically and mentally disabled and especially the elderly. Helping these people is just a given, no questions asked.

The thing is though, your Medicare tax is inexpensive, ours isn't going to be. American government has a problem allocating funds to where they really should be going and not spending money wisely and spending too much. I also think we have a lot of people that use more resources than they contribute to, and I think that needs to be fixed somehow.
 
blu3bird

blu3bird

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Lucky Luke said:
For anyone wondering what the true cost of medicare is. Here is a copy of my Tax assessment showing where my taxs went. I think some of you may find it interesting. Notice defence is less spending than the important stuff except for schooling, be nice if that was swapped around.
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That's almost what I pay every week, between $400-500 is taken from my check depending on how many hours I work.
 
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