A Pro Palin thread

[redivider]

a comprehensive overhaul of the drug policy in the country... where drug abuse is considered a health issue, not a criminal act.... where the sale and distribution of hard drugs is met with as much force as the legal entities that launder all the money.... where the DEA maintains it's policing powers, without retaining it's policy defining power.... where the issue of drug abuse is analyzed using DATA, scientific research, and expert analysis....not misconceptions, taboo, and myth...... the current approach to drug policy in the country has failed. it is expensive and does not provide any measurable improvement in drug usage in the population.....

 

[CrackerJax]

Nonsense. It was made illegal with a bill. it can be made legal with a bill.

It's what Congress does son. It was they who outlawed weed, no one else.

No wonder ur lost politically.

 

[Rob Roy]

Legally not owning our bodies, our labor and our property, so where is this thing called freedom? It is something we are granted from government?

The solution is to get rid of all legislators, laws, unelected regulators, etc. that stand in the way of owning your body, your labor, your property. Government is, was and will continue to be the problem.

 

[redivider]

Congress made the original list of schedule 1 drugs, afterwards power was left in the hands of the dea and fda. That is why the newer additions to the list didn't need legislation to get on there. It was purposefully done this way so that the process of illegalizing drugs is very easy and the process of decriminalizing or legalizing is a practical impossibility.

 

[Haul me to Heaven]

Is this a thread about bashing Palin ... or a thread about bashing Christians? If its about bashing Christians, then let's start a thread about bashing African-Americans, Hispanics, Asians, Women, the elderly or the infirmed. Or, don't you see the parallels?

Vi

I'm for Palin as a person and for Vi as well.

 

[Katatawnic]

that is not how it works... you used an example that utilizes a business model, in which a hierarchy exists... the fact that you used this example tells me about your ignorance of the mechanisms of government.

there is no 'boss'...

the legislature is not the 'boss' of the executive branch. there is no 'boss' in the government. each branch of the government cannot, by law, order any other around. this is very important for you to understand.

classifying and enforcing drug law was removed from a legislative issue. it is not up to congress to decide which drug is legal or not. it is that simple. any attempt by congress to influence drug policy can be, and most probably will be, viewed as an attempt by congress to intrude in the powers invested in the executive agencies called the DEA and FDA. these agencies can argue, successfully, that any debate concerning the legality of any drug lies solely within the jurisdiction of the FDA and DEA, as expressed by law. the supreme court WILL find this to be the case. that is why any sort of legislation to legalize marijuana has never been taken seriously. it just can't happen though congress.... not with the law from 1970 in place.....

Congress made the original list of schedule 1 drugs, afterwards power was left in the hands of the dea and fda. That is why the newer additions to the list didn't need legislation to get on there. It was purposefully done this way so that the process of illegalizing drugs is very easy and the process of decriminalizing or legalizing is a practical impossibility.

This goes to show you couldn't (or wouldn't) understand the analogy I gave you about employers (lawmakers) and employees (law enforcers).

I'll type as slowly as I can so that you might be comprehend this time...


Analogy:
1. A resemblance of relations; an agreement or likeness between things in some circumstances or effects, when the things are otherwise entirely different. Thus, learning enlightens the mind, because it is to the mind what light is to the eye, enabling it to discover things before hidden.
[1913 Webster]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is indeed a hierarchy in the U.S. gov't and its myriad of agencies. My analogy's boss was Congress, and its manager was the DEA. Congress is a branch of the government, whereas the DEA is one of many agencies created and overseen by the government. Congress (bosses) delegates responsibilities to its agencies (managers). If you can't (or refuse to) recognize an analogy when you see one (especially considering I explicitly stated in that post that it was, indeed, an analogy), then who is the ignorant one here?

When I said in that post that I'd make it simple, that's exactly what I did: give an analogy that anyone who's had a job can understand... have you never been employed? When the boss (the one in charge of overseeing your work) changes rules, you have to comply or lose your job. Period. End of subject.


Wait a cotton pickin' minute... gov't isn't a business?! That's funny right there!

Nonsense. It was made illegal with a bill. it can be made legal with a bill.

It's what Congress does son. It was they who outlawed weed, no one else.

No wonder ur lost politically.

Correct! And would you agree that in my "business hierarchy" analogy, Congress is the boss/owner and the DEA is the manager? Or have these new meds transported me not to another galaxy, but another universe altogether!

I'm probably gonna be looped for the next couple/few weeks till I adjust to them. UGH! It's not a pleasant high like from pot, either. I can form coherent thoughts if I focus as though I'm taking a college final, but the language portion of my brain is on vacation.

I know exactly what I want to say, but it's taking me a long time to convey, and type, it.

 

[CrackerJax]

I guess you can't fix stupid huh Kat!!

Red is completely lost when it comes to politics.... The basic tenants have escaped his orbit.

 

[Katatawnic]

I guess you can't fix stupid huh Kat!!

Tell that to the gov't... trying to fix stupid with laws does as much good as trying to screw your way back to virginity.

P.S. Wonder why Red hasn't responded with more reasons as to why we're wrong and ignorant?

 

[CrackerJax]

Clean up on aisle 5 !!

 

[Katatawnic]

Must've been quite a mess!

 

[CrackerJax]

They've left the kitchen.

And I haven't even warmed up yet...

 

[redivider]

there is no way that congress can pass a bill that legalizes marijuana without repealing the law from 1970 in place.

that much is true..

can congress pass a bill legalizing marijuana??? sure, but it's a monumental undertaking, it means redifining the powers of the DEA, reducing it's budget and employees (the majority of their budget/resources go to marijuana), placing regulatory power back in the hands of congress, putting forth a system which will create a profitable industry for both the private and public sector, putting power back in the hands of local governments to oversee marijuana reguation (like dry-counties choice to not sell alcohol in supermarkets etc.), and the bunch of other amendments the legislature of this country loves to slap on bills....

if you don't believe me, ask a lawyer...... it's that simple, get me a lawyer that will say I'm wrong, and you win................................ you won't.......

 

[medicineman]

there is no way that congress can pass a bill that legalizes marijuana without repealing the law from 1970 in place.

that much is true..

can congress pass a bill legalizing marijuana??? sure, but it's a monumental undertaking, it means redifining the powers of the DEA, reducing it's budget and employees (the majority of their budget/resources go to marijuana), placing regulatory power back in the hands of congress, putting forth a system which will create a profitable industry for both the private and public sector, putting power back in the hands of local governments to oversee marijuana reguation (like dry-counties choice to not sell alcohol in supermarkets etc.), and the bunch of other amendments the legislature of this country loves to slap on bills....

if you don't believe me, ask a lawyer...... it's that simple, get me a lawyer that will say I'm wrong, and you win................................ you won't.......

You forgot all the drug treaties the US has with other countries. They could not legalize it without violating all those treaties.

 

[CrackerJax]

there is no way that congress can pass a bill that legalizes marijuana without repealing the law from 1970 in place.

that much is true..

can congress pass a bill legalizing marijuana??? sure, but it's a monumental undertaking, it means redifining the powers of the DEA, reducing it's budget and employees (the majority of their budget/resources go to marijuana), placing regulatory power back in the hands of congress, putting forth a system which will create a profitable industry for both the private and public sector, putting power back in the hands of local governments to oversee marijuana reguation (like dry-counties choice to not sell alcohol in supermarkets etc.), and the bunch of other amendments the legislature of this country loves to slap on bills....

if you don't believe me, ask a lawyer...... it's that simple, get me a lawyer that will say I'm wrong, and you win................................ you won't.......

Repealing the law is not difficult at all. you act like it's some sort of monumental task ... it isn't.

Try a Poly Sci course in ur spare time. It might do you some good.

In fact, here' a petition asking for just that. Looks terribly complicated ...


[FONT=Helvetica,Arial][SIZE=+2]MAKE MARIJUANA LEGAL[/SIZE][/FONT]

[SIZE=-1] View Current Signatures - Sign the Petition [/SIZE]

[SIZE=+1]To: U.S. CONGRESS AND ALL STATE LEGISLATORS[/SIZE] WE THE PEOPLE OF THE
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
ANNOUNCE THAT WE WANT
ALL STATE AND FEDERAL
MARIJUANA LAWS REPEALED.
(TO REPEAL A LAW MEANS
TO TAKE IT OFF THE BOOKS,
TO GET RID OF IT.)
Sincerely,
The Undersigned

 

[redivider]

it's not difficult, but that one law also forms and empowers the DEA... forget it... i'm not gonna repeat myself forever.....

 

[CrackerJax]

That's because ur lost politically and don't seem to understand how our laws get enacted and redacted.

We have till 2010 to get weed decrim'd or legalized.

After that the window will close.

If not now, then when?? Broken Democrat dreams....

 

[redivider]

don't say that! weed will be decriminalized....

 

[fdd2blk]

That's because ur lost politically and don't seem to understand how our laws get enacted and redacted.

We have till 2010 to get weed decrim'd or legalized.

After that the window will close.

If not now, then when?? Broken Democrat dreams....

bought a new crystal ball, eh?

 

[CrackerJax]

Oh, I'm using the same one as always ... it's quite accurate. Will the Repub's take the majority in the Senate? Probably not, but it will be close, and that's enough to stop this one party domination of bills being passed. The Dem's know the clock is ticking and in between bribes , I mean stimulus, there burying us in welfare and social spending.

Have another 1.1 trillion lying around? Hope s9o, because after the failure of the first stimulus, they want to spend MORE!

2010 can't get here quick enough.

 

[PadawanBater]

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LMFAO - EPIC FAIL for Sarah Palin supporters!!