A note to noob's

dankylarry said:

Hey its ok that you arent jorge cervantes. even he isn't jorge cervantes. His name is George Van Patten

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I'll be damned, cheers

Strocat said:

If you're a first time grower. you start 5 plants then figure out 1/2 way through you cant handle growing or dont like it etc then you have 5 plants you have to deal with. Maybe 3 of the 5 get infections or sicknesses.. Now instead of dealing with 1 plant and trying to doctor it back to health you're struggling with 4-5.

I say start with 1 single plant to learn feeding techniques.. see if you like/can handle growing.. I also say start with easy to grow cheaper strains.. What happens if u get a botique seed that is 33$ for 1 fem seed and you kill it. now that would suck a dogs red tipped dick.

cheers. You can call bullshit but its my opinions... I'm not here saying its fact. people are allowed to have opinions.

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this comes down to personality. i happen to be semi ocd and have much time on my hands after work. i spend probably about 4-10 hours a day messing with plants. not literally, unless im prepping nutes or taking measurements, i spend that time at the pc learning. if a person is married, or has limited time for another reason, i agree with you, but its not true for everyone.

Strocat said:

You do things your why. Its all good brother. people do things different

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Your giving out bad information and fighting with those that provide truth....Betcha I've been growing more years then you have total grows under your belt.

I'm still being polite. Your just pissed off for being caught handing out BS info!

I'm done here.

Dr. Who said:

Your giving out bad information and fighting with those that provide truth....Betcha I've been growing more years then you have total grows under your belt.

I'm still being polite. Your just pissed off for being caught handing out BS info!

I'm done here.

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As far as the "flush" I understood that you use clearing solution one day, half strength the second day, and ro water the third. I understand that flushing is necessary for taste, but should be as short, simple, and as late as possible.

More than a 2-3 day flush starves your plants of much needed nutes and creates a high stress environment at the end of the life cycle.

But I'm a newb. So ignore me if I'm wrong.

NapalmZen said:

As far as the "flush" I understood that you use clearing solution one day, half strength the second day, and ro water the third. I understand that flushing is necessary for taste, but should be as short, simple, and as late as possible.

More than a 2-3 day flush starves your plants of much needed nutes and creates a high stress environment at the end of the life cycle.

But I'm a newb. So ignore me if I'm wrong.

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Unless you have been growing along time on a large scale i wouldnt try explaing "the flush" to Dr Who...Unless of cause you can provide scientific proof (which so far no one can do..)

Flushing is a stoner term not a gardening one and is a myth in the context your using.

Lucky Luke said:

Unless you have been growing along time on a large scale i wouldnt try explaing "the flush" to Dr Who...Unless of cause you can provide scientific proof (which so far no one can do..)

Flushing is a stoner term not a gardening one and is a myth in the context your using.

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so dont use the free bottle of royal flush my high as fuck nute dealer gave me? got it.

NapalmZen said:

so dont use the free bottle of royal flush my high as fuck nute dealer gave me. got it.

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sell it on ebay or something

NapalmZen said:

As far as the "flush" I understood that you use clearing solution one day, half strength the second day, and ro water the third. I understand that flushing is necessary for taste, but should be as short, simple, and as late as possible.

More than a 2-3 day flush starves your plants of much needed nutes and creates a high stress environment at the end of the life cycle.

But I'm a newb. So ignore me if I'm wrong.

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Sorry! I can't ignore, I must teach......

Here, read my package answer to 'flushing" and begin to find truth.....

I got asked about this in a PM by a member after seeing the disaster another thread became. He asked where to find books and papers on "flushing" and said he might try the "fade".

Here's my answer to him......I felt it needs to be seen,,,,,,again!

Your looking for post grad work. You would do better to search papers......The thing is, NOTHING in agriculture gets 'flushed" and that leads to little to no research in the area. You see, the thing is, the whole "idea" of "flushing is nonsense! Plants don't work that way! They do not take up nutrients or salts as most of you think of them! They do not "store" them in the sense you think of them! Not only that, but the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers! NO amount of "flushing" will "exchange" plant "stored" nutrition back "out" of the plant! Scientifically impossible by the way most of you guys understand......Ok, that's my word on "flushing". (No one listens to this in threads if they don't want to hear it or accept it.)

Now then, you propose the "FADE TO FINISH" method. Great idea in theory but, and this IS a BIG BUT! Remember when I said above that "the nutritional "stores" in a plant are not in buds or budding or flowers!" ? This shoots that theory in the ass right away. You see the main amount of stored nutrition is in either the roots and the rest in leaves and some in small amounts in transit in the phloam (the sap that actually moves the "converted" nutrients around the plant)......

Now when you "starve a plant" it will draw from it's self by actually breaking down the needed parts of it's self to do an "emergency" attempt to reproduce! (This can happen in certain plants even in veg! A kind of last ditch effort to continue the species.)

With that in mind you take the fact that the plant is not "moving" nutrients "out" of buds,but into them to speed growth and as fast as it can - "reproduce". This single minded process the plant now puts it's self on causes the plant to stress it's self. This self induced stress can, in many cases if done long enough, lead the plant to go bisexual, and produce "banana's" in a last ditch effort to reproduce and "carry on the line" and produce seeds...

Basically put, In reality you are moving nutrients that you're "attempting" to get rid of,,right to where your trying to remove them from! You are also stressing the plant in the way for "Herming" to actually happen easier!

I and many others that have tried to convey this actual plant science, are called everything you can think of and those 'impossible of understanding these facts", fight so hard against us that many of us have simply chosen to avoid the issue or don't fight to hard.

Anyway, there you are in as short and sweet and as simple/understandable as I can...

The thing is you have to understand Botany and Horticulture (and there are LOTS of subsections to those that are involved here) to truly put together the pieces of the puzzle to get your head wrapped around the idea that flushing and the "fade" don't work for what they are intended or alleged to actually do!

There you go Mods, nice, polite and to the point. (Sorry about the other thread Sunni)

There you go, Now have at it!
I'm stepping back to watch the circus.

Read this too!

https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-truth-about-flushing.409622/


Now then. You've got to be kidding me! Some fucktard nutrient company actually named a "flushing agent" - Royal Flush?

That's an inside joke on all the idiots that buy that shit! It's them insulting you!

Back when the last dinosaurs were still roaming the earth, and I was in Jr and Sr high school......a "royal flush" was when the school bully or the pud pounding football team would grab a kid they deemed as "worthy" of their "gifts" and would turn him over and stick his head in an "unflushed" toilet and flush it!
No I was basketball, tennis and rifle team (yes we had a rifle team. Don't bother running, you'll only die tired) and was dating the sister of the defence's cpt. (they were neighbors) I still fish with him and she's friends of the wife.) I was deemed immune from persecution by jock.

Any way - NO flushing agent will "flush" nutrients from a plant! They can't, Plants don't work that way!

You have now been given the gift of knowledge, and it didn't even cost you a "swirly" (That's a royal - with no pee/poo in the bowl)..

Happy holidays

ill read through the links in a moment and will not disagree with your statement. it is well thought out and logical.

however, flushing as i understand, is meant to clean the "salts" from the roots and allow the plant to absorb and use the last of the nutes? which is supposed to make better flavor? that's all it is supposed to do as i understand.

now, i'm a pastry... let's call me a chef. so a clean smoke is irrelevant to me.

NapalmZen said:

ill read through the links in a moment and will not disagree with your statement. it is well thought out and logical.

however, flushing as i understand, is meant to clean the "salts" from the roots and allow the plant to absorb and use the last of the nutes? which is supposed to make better flavor? that's all it is supposed to do as i understand.

now, i'm a pastry... let's call me a chef. so a clean smoke is irrelevant to me.

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That should be called what it is - LEECHING !!

Used when you have a build up and lock-out's.....Also used periodically in Coco as it "holds salts".
In soil, if you feed properly. You shouldn't need to do it.....Now hydro, "flushing" does nothing! Hmm that could be a chorus to a growing song - LOL.

"That should be called what it is - LEECHING !!"


Me a word nerd? Guilty. But the reason for specific spelling of words is to denote meaning. That's denote not donate. And definitely not detonate.

verb
gerund or present participle: leaching

1. (with reference to a soluble chemical or mineral) drain away from soil, ash, or similar material by the action of percolating liquid, especially rainwater.
   "the nutrient is quickly leached away"
   synonyms: drain, filter, percolate, seep, filtrate, strain

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Leeching may refer to: Leeching (medical), also called Hirudotherapy, the use of leeches for bloodletting or medical therapy.

this is actually crazy to read!

I was always told flushing made the plant use the last of the nutes just as napalmzen said and it made it taste better.

so for an example if i was buying some high quality weed in Amsterdam they wouldn't have flushed their plant before harvest??

mind blown....

Not even joking. If you have a smaller flower room thats jam packed with plants and you need to get to the back plants say to tie up branches or something and you have to try to walk through the front plants. Get naked!

You will be able to feel the branches starting to get hung up before they break. This will reduce the amount if damage caused to the plants your trying to sneak around.

mo i think you may be on the wrong thread me old mate haha

Father Ramirez said:

"That should be called what it is - LEECHING !!"


Me a word nerd? Guilty. But the reason for specific spelling of words is to denote meaning. That's denote not donate. And definitely not detonate.

verb
gerund or present participle: leaching

1. (with reference to a soluble chemical or mineral) drain away from soil, ash, or similar material by the action of percolating liquid, especially rainwater.
   "the nutrient is quickly leached away"
   synonyms: drain, filter, percolate, seep, filtrate, strain

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Leeching may refer to: Leeching (medical), also called Hirudotherapy, the use of leeches for bloodletting or medical therapy.

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You type in a hurry stoned ! I still do better then most....LOL, fucking typing dyslexia !!!

Nice catch...AN is the "leech"!

Strocat said:

I would love to scrog but I water in my bathtub and have to move plants.. one thing ive always wondered.. If you scrog a plant and in flowering she is growing through the screen.. how do you water without getting your floors wet/ruined?

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Catch trays under the pots. 99 cents at the garden supply store. Water till the tray is full enough to take a PH reading. Let the plant drink it up. Its always gone within a couple of hours.

Strocat said:

Brother.. it seems to really piss you off that some people flush.. hell its not your grow so why care.. i have done side by side plants and that flushed plant had smoother sweeter smoke. 2 same strains..same nutes..same water..lights.temp.humidity.drying an

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I'd be willing to bet if it were a double blind test you wouldn't be able to tell the diff.

mo841 said:

Not even joking. If you have a smaller flower room thats jam packed with plants and you need to get to the back plants say to tie up branches or something and you have to try to walk through the front plants. Get naked!

You will be able to feel the branches starting to get hung up before they break. This will reduce the amount if damage caused to the plants your trying to sneak around.

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Please use sunscreen, might wanna go for the spf 90 wanna be a white boy forever formula too..


and shades too

SSGrower said:

Please use sunscreen, might wanna go for the spf 90 wanna be a white boy forever formula too..


and shades too

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fuck that, slap on some tanning cream and take a nap. ladies like a man with a little color. and by that, i don't mean red, pink, or orange.

Just registered my account last night (early this morning? Yesterday morning? Fuck, I'm confused again).

Was recommended to start reading in the "noob" area, so I used the search feature as I didn't wanna be "that lazy asshole who can't stand to burn a calorie", and here I am. This is the first thread I read all the way through.

#MayNeedToSwitchToBourbon