9/11 debunking accomplished

ilkhan said:

Do you know what happens to jet fuel when it hits something while moving 200-250 MPH?
It was not poured in it was thrust in at high speeds.
It sprays into a mist and bursts into flame.
Like this:

Small pick but that is a huge explosion.
99% of the fuel disipated right there.
After that there were small fires.
Burning carpet, drywall and some small pools of fuel.

I don't see the blazing inferno you say weakened the building.
The Architect and construction manager have both said
"That the towers were designed to withsand multiple 707 impacts."
A 707 is very comparable to a 767-200 in size and fuel compacity.

I know I'm not gonna convince anyone so I don't care to go on to much.
I'm here more to make friends,
I don't like being called names even over the internet
And I try not to insult (I fail sometimes, JRH and Medman sorry)
I try to work in areas like freedom, the constitution that sort of thing.
Seems like less of a waste of time.
Whats done is done and it really is irrelivent anymore, IMO.

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actually the building was designed to take a hit from a 707, but not fully fueled, but allas both buildings did withstand it long enough to let most of the people escape


when you have that much fuel in one place at that speed it doesnt all instantly evaporate or turn into mist. much of it ignites and is dropped through the surrounding floors of the building through the momentom of the fuel and the force of gravity creating huge infernos on certain floors. these localized infernos on the surrounding floors would melt steel easily this is a simple fact


once enough time had passed for the infernos to comprimise the structures of the surrounding floors they were weakend enough to fail and collapse,


one floor pancakes on the floor below it which is also weakend by the fire, then the weight of 2 of those falling floors hit the next and then those 3 floors hit the next floor and the next and you have a collapse of the whole structure.


its really a ridicules argument, you guys are actling like these building are infalable

And the firefighters were able to move through those other floors.
The fuel was burnt off and most was propelled right out the sides.
It was turned to mist for the most part and burned off in a fireball.
Even if some remained it would not have been enouph
to super heat many Huge beams in a way that the building
would not topple but come down in its own foot-print.
Steel is a good conducter of heat it would have required more then a few fires.
Burning out in short order to get enouph heat generated across so much area.

Where is the Inferno??
You keep saying there is this blazing fire, where?
You can't see it in any pics.
99% of that fuel was burnt up.
The firefighters walked up passed the fire.
I'm not saying there was no fire.
I'm saying there was no blazing inferno that could deform steel.

CrackerJax its called compartmentalization and drills.

Keep in mind also, the outside fassad of the WTC was LOAD BEARING. Steel stringer joists ran from the reinforced concrete core of the building to the fassad. Several of these stringers were displaced along with the removal of LOAD BEARING fassad when the aircraft hit, consequentially REDISTRIBUTING the load from the 20-30 floors above.
The old, brittle fireproofing had also been blown from the remaining structural steel with the initial impact and fireball.
At that point, the fire didn't have to do as much work.

Have you ever stood next to a 20 story building that is 1 acre square? The tonnage of even that size building is incredible.

Now, imagine removing say 20% of it's structural fassad on 1 side with a blunt force explosion and applying even a moderate amount of heat to the remaining exposed pillars and joists.

I don't know about the rest of ya but, I wouldn't be standing there too awful long.

Bud Frosty said:

Keep in mind also, the outside fassad of the WTC was LOAD BEARING. Steel stringer joists ran from the reinforced concrete core of the building to the fassad. Several of these stringers were displaced along with the removal of LOAD BEARING fassad when the aircraft hit, consequentially REDISTRIBUTING the load from the 20-30 floors above.
The old, brittle fireproofing had also been blown from the remaining structural steel with the initial impact and fireball.
At that point, the fire didn't have to do as much work.

Have you ever stood next to a 20 story building that is 1 acre square? The tonnage of even that size building is incredible.

Now, imagine removing say 20% of it's structural fassad on 1 side with a blunt force explosion and applying even a moderate amount of heat to the remaining exposed pillars and joists.

I don't know about the rest of ya but, I wouldn't be standing there too awful long.

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lol right, you would have to be a complete moron to think the building would not fall if you where in it when it was hit

this was all arleady shown on an idependent documenty if you guys did your homework it happend exactly as frosty says, the fire proofing was gone and the fire only had to melt the weakest joints, there have been several building experts who have already explained this.

just realize you made a mistake and your wrong. i admit it when im wrong.



you guys act like you are experts in the field of mechanical engineering and you are far from it,


you know who was an expert in the field of engineering ans building structures?

it was the binladin family who is responsible for building more than 75% of all the structures in saudi arabia and they still are one of the number one constreuction companies in saudi

they changed thier name from Saudi Binladin Group to SBG after the catastrophe that happend.

here you can see some of this companies handy work, binladin had many contacts in this field and new exactly what it would take to knock those building down. i bet he was holding his breath until they actually fell.







thats the tallest building in the world somthing like 1 mile high or somthing











binladin family built most of these structures

he knew how to destroy a building. period end of story. what has happend to you my fellow americans? im an arabian immigrant and I know better than you

Don't worry Big P....94% of Americans disregard threads like this as "looney".

ilkhan said:

And the firefighters were able to move through those other floors.
The fuel was burnt off and most was propelled right out the sides.
It was turned to mist for the most part and burned off in a fireball.
Even if some remained it would not have been enouph
to super heat many Huge beams in a way that the building
would not topple but come down in its own foot-print.
Steel is a good conducter of heat it would have required more then a few fires.
Burning out in short order to get enouph heat generated across so much area.

Where is the Inferno??
You keep saying there is this blazing fire, where?
You can't see it in any pics.
99% of that fuel was burnt up.
The firefighters walked up passed the fire.
I'm not saying there was no fire.
I'm saying there was no blazing inferno that could deform steel.

CrackerJax its called compartmentalization and drills.

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you ever heard the expression where there is smoke there is fire?

well i submit to you your own picture








see all the smoke wafting out of that building????

did you know that the plume was even visible from space???


are you telling me that a plume of smoke that can be seen from space is not being caused by a monstrous fire??






you ever seen a bonfire that big??




looks like a burning rolled up newspaper


but your right that doesnt look like somthing that would cause that building to collapse its barely even a scratch



touche'

Those are smoke grenades left by the F.B.I..... everybody knows that!!!

CrackerJax said:

Those are smoke grenades left by the F.B.I..... everybody knows that!!!

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..... tower 7 explanations?....

as someone who does not follow conspiracies, cuz I beleive life is but a dream, it sounds like you all know to much to be left alive.

Bin laden didn't have anything to do with the attacks. Even the FBI can't find enough evidence to put 9/11 on his wanted poster



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There's a video floating around somewhere wherein the owner of WTC complex admits that they demolished building 7 on purpose. What's strange about it is that a controlled demolition takes a long time to set up, and they would have only had a few hours to set the charges in building 7 in order to bring it down... which leads people to believe that all the WTC buildings that fell were already set with demolition charges before the "attacks" ever happened.

I couldn't find the full video, but here's a clip where Larry Silverstein says they made the decision to "pull" or demolish building 7, purposely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100&feature=related

NoDrama said:

If they are so ridiculous then why do you even post? Besides its copied from a debunking website anyway, so I guess its not like a lot of work for you or anything. Im not the one assuming, you said you assumed things in all 3 of those posts. If you are just going to assume things then not much point in arguing about it since you can just "Assume" everything I say away.

What...huh doesn't even believe in the "Inside Job" theory yet here he is making his argument only because he sees the disinformation your trying to put out. C'mon bro, you haven't debunked anything, your still in the thick of the argument just like the rest of us. This debate will never end until the whole truth about everything comes out, Im not holding my breath.

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Good point, but brothers and sisters Listen to Mr. William Cooper closely and a clear picture should begin to emerge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmvgKx1KoQg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhxGnZks4H8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc7x1rnswSA

There are four more in this series and I would say that one only needs to understand how the elite operate and once you do, you know that they were behind not only 9/11, countless other horrific atrocities. Pay attention to what JFK says about secret societies and superimpose that onto the fact that he was assassinated. Walk with me ya'll!

Osama.... you mean Obama? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcxhcMyn8rU



here some interesting stuff on 9/11... like the guy that owned the buildings.... came there for breakfast every morning but didnt on 9.11.. http://theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5367

everyone knows there was signs from the inteligence community that something was a foot before the attacks happnd

wow u can find a shitload of jews in new york in manhatten financial district

whoda thought


if u were going to kill 1 human murder him

how many people would you tell about it before u began to worry that somone would tell on you?

u would tell no one, in the above link they state so many people new that it would be impossible for one of them not to rat

anyone want to explain as to why the clean up and post demo crew found molten steel in the sub levels of all three towers up to a month later. We're talking the twin towers as well as TC7, which as far as I recall watching this occur on TV, TC7 wasn't hit by a plane. In fact it was said on different news stations to have caught on fire from falling debris I mean that would explain as to why this building which initially was not impacted by a plane full of jet fuel caught on fire right? I mean that sounds logical correct? the falling debris caught this building on fire and that's why the the flame resistant steel managed to turn into a pool of molten steel up to a month later.???? That doesn't scream of controlled demolition or thermite to anyone? You want a conspiracy how about the concept that America was attacked by a near 7' tall Muslim extremist from a cave in Afghanistan on a dialysis machine employing trained terrorists to hijack planes with box cutters and actually manage to crash four fuckin planes two of which brought down 3 buildings after only impacting 2? LIKE WTF???!!! We get attacked by an extremist group in Afghanistan so we go to war with Iraq to get Hussein. It's like being attacked by Nicaraguan extremists and attacking Mexico. If terrorists really wanted to do damage to America why wouldn't they have taken out the Lincoln & Holland Tunnel along with the bridges. I thought the rest of the world knew that the American gov did this not that it came down to truthers and looneys. I mean damn I sure would like to be told in person that they couldn't find the black box to the planes but that they found one of the hijackers passports lmao!!!!! wow a paper passport that was on one of the plane along with the "indestructible" black box recorders was more durable than the "indestructible" box. Blind faith is the cause of war and violence, the same goes for the polar opposite; questioning everything. If you see something for your own eyes then to you that becomes true, being told that you saw something for your own eyes when you didn't is just more blind faith, or willingly excepting lies. I've seen controlled demolitions a few times in my life, and booooyyyyyyyy do I know what a big scale one looks like now. It's a shame that friends, family, and numerous innocent had to be the pawns of sympathy to fuel a war. By the way is that still going on? What happened to "Mission Accomplished" and pulling down Saddam's statue? That's what the TV told me hahahaahaha.

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doobnVA said:

There's a video floating around somewhere wherein the owner of WTC complex admits that they demolished building 7 on purpose. What's strange about it is that a controlled demolition takes a long time to set up, and they would have only had a few hours to set the charges in building 7 in order to bring it down... which leads people to believe that all the WTC buildings that fell were already set with demolition charges before the "attacks" ever happened.

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Just like the Oklahoma City bombing. They found two more bombs inside the building that hadn't detonated.

The government and their handlers are

dont you guys think that if the government did such an outlandish thing and attacked its own self

dont you thinnk they would have also planted the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and say seee seee the weapons were here all this time!!!



duh, lets use our brains guys.


not that hard to plant evidence

if they did the world trade center as an inside job then they would have also planted the WMDS


then it would have been the biggest i told you so ever


man they could have planted nukes in Iraq, imagine how politically benifitial it would have been for the bush administration


stop covering for terrorists


they did this to us and thats why they die in droves


im goin on vaction to guantanimo soon to do some water boarding

laters