9/11 debunking accomplished

The Govt. fools everybody right under our noses in NYC and Wash. D.C., but fails to keep it going halfway around the world where it would be EASY to manipulate the info towards home.

Yes, Big P....... all this conspiracy NON-SENSE is really all about minimizing terrorism and our justification for defending ourselves.

It's all clear to me now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crackerjax is behind 9/11! He's the one what masterminded the bombs and such! He's also most likely........wait for it........wait for it...............GEORGE W. BUSH!

Thats right folks! It was Cracker!

The Warlord said:

It's all clear to me now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crackerjax is behind 9/11! He's the one what masterminded the bombs and such! He's also most likely........wait for it........wait for it...............GEORGE W. BUSH!

Thats right folks! It was Cracker!

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im callin the cops

hiding behind the jet fuel melted the steel bullshit


even though its already been stated many times



jet fuels burning temperature is LOWER than the structural failure temperature of steel


its simple numbers people.... you cant have a 500 degree difference and expect it to have melted

Keenly said:

hiding behind the jet fuel melted the steel bullshit


even though its already been stated many times



jet fuels burning temperature is LOWER than the structural failure temperature of steel


its simple numbers people.... you cant have a 500 degree difference and expect it to have melted

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proof?


show me?



never mind ill just show you

"Melted" Steel

Claim: "We have been lied to," announces the Web site AttackOnAmerica.net. "The first lie was that the load of fuel from the aircraft was the cause of structural failure. No kerosene fire can burn hot enough to melt steel." The posting is entitled "Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC."

FACT: Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750°F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength — and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."

ilkhan said:

Now thats a fire! You can tell because theres bright flames... see.

But low the steal lives on.

This is the core of WTC1

It is quite stout.​

I don't remember the burning inferno over 2000 degrees.
I do however remember the holes the plane made.
Because there was a woman standing in the hole.
Must not have been super hot there.​

Thats were the plane hit I don't see the roaring inferno.
Hmmm​

I just don't give a fuck anymore.​

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Are you even aware of how the WTC's structure was designed?
It was designed with a Tube Frame structural design which is a very stiff frame
The fire conducted heat which transferd throughout the steel frame very evenly
Then the steel weakend and colapsed
STEEL LOOSES STRENTH WHEN HEATED, IT DOES NOT NEED TO MELT

FACT: Jet Fuel Burns at 1400F WHEN ITS BEING BURNED IN A JET ENGINE!! otherwise in free air it burns at around 500 You can get every scientist on earth to agree on that one, it cannot be disputed. The reason it burns hotter in the jet engine is because of this little thing called Stoichiometric efficiency....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-fuel_ratio and the fact that air is being compressed at about 4.5 to 1 before having fuel applied. So at 500 degrees, the steel is experiencing 0 loss of strength. Lets also not forget that the beams are all completely covered with one of the beast heat insulators known to man...Asbestos. There are posts here of thermal images taken while the buildings burned. None of those fires got hot enough, there were no 1800 degree pockets.

The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

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This is certainly true for REINFORCED CONCRETE, unfortunately for you they did not use any of that for structural use in these buildings, They were made of steel walls, a MASSIVE steel core and steel floors, in essence a GIANT heat sink, ready to dissipate every floor a firey inferno's heat. Just like all the other steel framed buildings do when fire completely and totally engulfing every single floor to the point where it is not even distiguishable as a building, none of them fell, not even the ones that burned for 10 times longer than the towers did.

NoDrama said:

FACT: Jet Fuel Burns at 1400F WHEN ITS BEING BURNED IN A JET ENGINE!! otherwise in free air it burns at around 500 You can get every scientist on earth to agree on that one, it cannot be disputed. The reason it burns hotter in the jet engine is because of this little thing called Stoichiometric efficiency....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-fuel_ratio and the fact that air is being compressed at about 4.5 to 1 before having fuel applied. So at 500 degrees, the steel is experiencing 0 loss of strength. Lets also not forget that the beams are all completely covered with one of the beast heat insulators known to man...Asbestos. There are posts here of thermal images taken while the buildings burned. None of those fires got hot enough, there were no 1800 degree pockets.

This is certainly true for REINFORCED CONCRETE, unfortunately for you they did not use any of that for structural use in these buildings, They were made of steel walls, a MASSIVE steel core and steel floors, in essence a GIANT heat sink, ready to dissipate every floor a firey inferno's heat. Just like all the other steel framed buildings do when fire completely and totally engulfing every single floor to the point where it is not even distiguishable as a building, none of them fell, not even the ones that burned for 10 times longer than the towers did.

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ok well riddle me this, cuz this one is a doosey


why would one put fireproofing coatings on these steal beams if there was zero risk of them warping in a trimendous fire and loseig thier structural integrety?








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Theres not a certain temperature for steel to start loosing strength..The more heat, the weaker..

NoDrama said:

FACT: Jet Fuel Burns at 1400F WHEN ITS BEING BURNED IN A JET ENGINE!! otherwise in free air it burns at around 500 You can get every scientist on earth to agree on that one, it cannot be disputed. The reason it burns hotter in the jet engine is because of this little thing called Stoichiometric efficiency....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-fuel_ratio and the fact that air is being compressed at about 4.5 to 1 before having fuel applied. So at 500 degrees, the steel is experiencing 0 loss of strength. Lets also not forget that the beams are all completely covered with one of the beast heat insulators known to man...Asbestos. There are posts here of thermal images taken while the buildings burned. None of those fires got hot enough, there were no 1800 degree pockets.



This is certainly true for REINFORCED CONCRETE, unfortunately for you they did not use any of that for structural use in these buildings, They were made of steel walls, a MASSIVE steel core and steel floors, in essence a GIANT heat sink, ready to dissipate every floor a firey inferno's heat. Just like all the other steel framed buildings do when fire completely and totally engulfing every single floor to the point where it is not even distiguishable as a building, none of them fell, not even the ones that burned for 10 times longer than the towers did.

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Please provide evidence of that claim..
Are you aware of those buildings structual design compared to the twin towers?
Without knowing their structual design you have nothing..

Now don't you think if the Govt. went to all that trouble to pull off 9/11, they would have made sure there would be WMD'S in Iraq? Even if they had to bring them in the country themselves?...... there is no pattern of success to take from 9/11. It doesn't make sense as an isolated incident.

Johnny Retro said:

Please provide evidence of that claim..
Are you aware of those buildings structual design compared to the twin towers?
Without knowing their structual design you have nothing..

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That's true... most people don't know it what built with cardboard

Johnny Retro said:

Please provide evidence of that claim..
Are you aware of those buildings structual design compared to the twin towers?
Without knowing their structual design you have nothing..

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Yes i do, and discussions on how these building were not built as well as the towers were, I introduce to you....https://www.rollitup.org/politics/48229-oh-goodie-more-911-inside.html

enjoy the read, its all in there, everything you need to see the truth. You can probably skip a bit to post 700 or so if you just want to get into structural designs and shit.

It's all non-sense. The "truthers" are wrong.... ironic huh.

Just a couple of COMMON SENSE observations.

1.) It doesn't take 3700 degrees to get steel to collapse under a SEVERE amount of weight and in a building where part of the structure is already destroyed. I keep hearing this "melting" crud...... all that is needed is for the steel to "give"....the weight takes care of the rest. That fire would have to be no more than 1000 degrees or so to get those beams to start bending. The WT7 building was on fire for 5+ hours!!

2.) IF the media thought for ONE SECOND (!!!!) that there was ANY validity to this story, they would be ALL OVER IT!!!!! It would be like throwing a flightless bird into a room with 20 cats. There wouldn't even be any feathers left..... that right there ALONE should be enough to tell a person of AVERAGE intelligence, that there's nothing to the conspiracy.

Some are just slower than others..... and some have no faith in the USA.

NoDrama said:

Yes i do, and discussions on how these building were not built as well as the towers were, I introduce to you....https://www.rollitup.org/politics/48229-oh-goodie-more-911-inside.html

enjoy the read, its all in there, everything you need to see the truth. You can probably skip a bit to post 700 or so if you just want to get into structural designs and shit.

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Giving me a link to another RIU thread is not research.

Show me credible websites that show these other buildings that burned for hours and hours and didnt colapse.
Then go look up their structual design and how it compares to the world trade center and post with all your information..
Didnt you learn this in school?

Dont belive everything you hear..do the research YOURSELF

You know it is really fucked up . . . . I really did not want to believe it was an inside job.

The evidence is all around us though years later it has become undeniable.
My question is:
So what the hell am I supposed to do about it?
This country is fucked, damn I even fell for the new big fat liar puppet president too.

CrackerJax said:

It's all non-sense. The "truthers" are wrong.... ironic huh.

Just a couple of COMMON SENSE observations.

1.) It doesn't take 3700 degrees to get steel to collapse under a SEVERE amount of weight and in a building where part of the structure is already destroyed. I keep hearing this "melting" crud...... all that is needed is for the steel to "give"....the weight takes care of the rest. That fire would have to be no more than 1000 degrees or so to get those beams to start bending. The WT7 building was on fire for 5+ hours!!

Other skyscrapers have burned for longer and never collapsed. Steel giving, and completely melting are two different things.


2.) IF the media thought for ONE SECOND (!!!!) that there was ANY validity to this story, they would be ALL OVER IT!!!!! It would be like throwing a flightless bird into a room with 20 cats. There wouldn't even be any feathers left..... that right there ALONE should be enough to tell a person of AVERAGE intelligence, that there's nothing to the conspiracy.

The media does what it is told. What happened to all the coverage where reporters said the buildings look like they were demolished? Or that it wasn't a plane that hit the Pentagram? They were shut up real quick.

Some are just slower than others..... and some have no faith in the USA.

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Thank G*D for video editing equipment eh? "A CNN Reporter" uh huh.

I didn't see your answers since they were inside my quotes.

Other building weren't near the size either. other building didn't have planes full of jetfuel flying into them at 400+mph. Those impacts way up high most certainly sent massive shock waves through all the foundations.......that's a heck of a lot of mass coming in at high speed. No other buildings have ever suffered such a calamity. No buildings are able to withstand that kind of punishment. Sort of why the terrorist plan was adopted...... it would work.



Your media being bought is a lot of hooey. Unaware of the 8 years of Bush bashing? CNN a friend of Bush? Notice how the video never names the reporter?

Big P said:

yea there a lot of suckers in here


how can you be so retarded people?

retarded stubborn, el stupido.

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Post reported. Stop bashing members.

Here comes the thought police.... (siren)