5th Week Flowering, Buds Still Swelling, Little to No Trich, & CLAWS

TheCh33se · Jun 4, 2016

Casual indoor CFL soil grow.

10% mulch mostly in bottom 30% perlite 60% soil
Under about 26,000 lumens of CFL. The lights are not all pictured.
Plant is about 3.5 feet.
Temps in room don't vary much usually around 75F with a deviation of 5F maybe.
Fed very little nutes in veg due to using fert soil, grew well until a pH problem which seemed fixed for a few weeks then fushed before flowering.
Started flowering about 5 weeks ago
Been feeding Dr. Earth Bud & Bloom about 1-2 TBSP per plant every other week
Watering about every 5-7 days depending, has been drying more quickly recently. Always distilled ph 6.5. pH test reveals soil is between 6.0-6.5.

The buds have started growing larger recently, the soil I used was organic with okay N levels, thus why I haven't fed them hardly any N. Yet they're still showing some dark green leaves and clawing, plus very little trich growth for where I'm at.

I'd just love some input im baffled.

http://imgur.com/a/zLt07

MeJuana · Jun 4, 2016

She's not using the nutrients you are giving her and I'm guessing it is because she has virtually no light on her from what I can see. You need to flush and step back on the nutrients. Usually I give 1/2 strength of whatever the listed schedule is but that is under HID lights. So you need to flush right now then allow it to dry. A lot of times we say follow the flush with light nutrients but I am not advising you to do that, straight flush and wait. Definitely use pH'd water to flush with.

I don't even know what to say about a 3 foot tall plant being grown under 66 total watts of power. Can you not at least splash in some ambient light from outside? (Don't put in direct sunlight right now it won't be funny). When we grow under cfl we manicure the plant to put all of the buds at the tops near the cfl lamps loaded with all the auxins but you just let it grow 3 feet tall. I have to say though for using 3 cfl lamps you grew a healthy plant.

Just Let Me Be Faded · Jun 4, 2016

More light and also after you get more light.. Trim some, not ALL of the fan leaves around the buds. THC is natures way of fighting UV rays from the sun!

TheCh33se · Jun 4, 2016

MeJuana said:
She's not using the nutrients you are giving her and I'm guessing it is because she has virtually no light on her from what I can see. You need to flush and step back on the nutrients. Usually I give 1/2 strength of whatever the listed schedule is but that is under HID lights. So you need to flush right now then allow it to dry. A lot of times we say follow the flush with light nutrients but I am not advising you to do that, straight flush and wait. Definitely use pH'd water to flush with.

I don't even know what to say about a 3 foot tall plant being grown under 66 total watts of power. Can you not at least splash in some ambient light from outside? (Don't put in direct sunlight right now it won't be funny). When we grow under cfl we manicure the plant to put all of the buds at the tops near the cfl lamps loaded with all the auxins but you just let it grow 3 feet tall. I have to say though for using 3 cfl lamps you grew a healthy plant.

She's under 26k lumens, I moved all the lights away to take pictures. I guarantee you it's not light I couldn't even add more if I wanted to. I don't know where you got 66W or 3 CFLs. I said 26K lumens in the post.

I also just flushed her last night. I've been light on nutrients as well. It's just Dr. Earth B and B nothing else.

TheCh33se · Jun 4, 2016

Just Let Me Be Faded said:
More light and also after you get more light.. Trim some, not ALL of the fan leaves around the buds. THC is natures way of fighting UV rays from the sun!

Same thing to you, she's under 26,000 lumens from all angles. I mentioned that in the OP, that's almost triple the recommended amount. Light is not the issue.

SoOLED · Jun 4, 2016

more light.

TopDogTHC · Jun 4, 2016

Clawing n dark leaves points to n tox at that stage. Looks like possible phosphorus deficiency with them yellow spots but where are they at, where did the spotting start and when?

TheCh33se · Jun 4, 2016

TopDogTHC said:
Clawing n dark leaves points to n tox at that stage. Looks like possible phosphorus deficiency with them yellow spots but where are they at, where did the spotting start and when?

Thanks for actually reading. That's what I was thinking with the N tox but it just seems strange with how little they've been fed.

The spotting started late in veg, the lower leaves but then it almost seemed to strike randomly as it could be anywhere. A few are from burn spots from them growing into CFL's, but others just formed randomly. Is that normal for Phos?

TopDogTHC · Jun 4, 2016

http://www.growweedeasy.com/phosphorus-deficiency-cannabis

Read that.

As for n tox, nutes could be a little to much.

If it's got a good ratio and ph is correct you shouldn't get defiancys, you calibrated the pen recent?

TheCh33se · Jun 4, 2016

TopDogTHC said:
http://www.growweedeasy.com/phosphorus-deficiency-cannabis

Read that.

As for n tox, nutes could be a little to much.

If it's got a good ratio and ph is correct you shouldn't get defiancys, you calibrated the pen recent?

It's just odd cause I'm using high P nutes right now, at half dose every other watering. The Dr. Earth has NPK of 3-9-4. Very high in phosphorous.

And I've been using a couple different brands of test strips and tablet soil testers.

SPLFreak808 · Jun 4, 2016

TheCh33se said:
Casual indoor CFL soil grow.

10% mulch mostly in bottom 30% perlite 60% soil
Under about 26,000 lumens of CFL. The lights are not all pictured.
Plant is about 3.5 feet.
Temps in room don't vary much usually around 75F with a deviation of 5F maybe.
Fed very little nutes in veg due to using fert soil, grew well until a pH problem which seemed fixed for a few weeks then fushed before flowering.
Started flowering about 5 weeks ago
Been feeding Dr. Earth Bud & Bloom about 1-2 TBSP per plant every other week
Watering about every 5-7 days depending, has been drying more quickly recently. Always distilled ph 6.5. pH test reveals soil is between 6.0-6.5.

The buds have started growing larger recently, the soil I used was organic with okay N levels, thus why I haven't fed them hardly any N. Yet they're still showing some dark green leaves and clawing, plus very little trich growth for where I'm at.

I'd just love some input im baffled.

http://imgur.com/a/zLt07

Are the lights kept all around the plant? 5-7 days seems a little long for a plant that size. Could be too much build-up on the roots or simply not enough light.

TheCh33se · Jun 4, 2016

SPLFreak808 said:
How often do you water? Are the lights kept all around the plant?

Gradually I've been having to water more often, but usually its every 4-5 days. I wait until my moisture meter is at 2 or below. I let the plant droop just a bit.

And yes lights are fairly even all around, I even rotate if necessary to even it out.

TopDogTHC · Jun 4, 2016

TheCh33se said:
It's just odd cause I'm using high P nutes right now, at half dose every other watering. The Dr. Earth has NPK of 3-9-4. Very high in phosphorous.

And I've been using a couple different brands of test strips and tablet soil testers.

Dunno then is the heat at soil level ok? You mix it well? , Running hot can cause nute problems but temps you said are ok. Can only think of lockout. Phosphorus has a lesser range than nitrogen and potassium.

SPLFreak808 · Jun 4, 2016

TheCh33se said:
Gradually I've been having to water more often, but usually its every 4-5 days. I wait until my moisture meter is at 2 or below. I let the plant droop just a bit.

And yes lights are fairly even all around, I even rotate if necessary to even it out.

Sounds like a nutrient issue. What size pot?

TopDogTHC · Jun 4, 2016

TheCh33se said:
Gradually I've been having to water more often, but usually its every 4-5 days. I wait until my moisture meter is at 2 or below. I let the plant droop just a bit.

And yes lights are fairly even all around, I even rotate if necessary to even it out.

More roots means more absorption. Think about it. You put one hose down to suck it's not as quick as 4. 4 sucks it quicker. Not root bound?

TheCh33se · Jun 4, 2016

SPLFreak808 said:
Sounds like a nutrient issue. What size pot?

Pot is about 5 gals. I just moved up about a week and a half ago from a 3 gal pot. Maybe it's still adjusting?

TheCh33se · Jun 4, 2016

TopDogTHC said:
More roots means more absorption. Think about it. You put one hose down to suck it's not as quick as 4. 4 sucks it quicker. Not root bound?

I am aware of that not saying I don't know why just that it's varied. When I repotted some days ago I saw roots around the edges but it wasn't too bad. I'm sure it is still adjusting though. I upped the pot a couple gal in size.

Word I should check the heat around the soil but it doesn't seem abnormal by feel.

MeJuana · Jun 4, 2016

TheCh33se said:
She's under 26k lumens, I moved all the lights away to take pictures. I guarantee you it's not light I couldn't even add more if I wanted to. I don't know where you got 66W or 3 CFLs. I said 26K lumens in the post.

I also just flushed her last night. I've been light on nutrients as well. It's just Dr. Earth B and B nothing else.

That's embarrassing, I messed up the math on the wattage but at least I am stoned so I got that going for me. 26000 lumens isn't that much I would definitely take the nutrients down a notch to watch for signs of hunger versus burning and basically get a feel for the strain/environment/nutes. But that's not my plant so it really doesn't matter what I would do.

SPLFreak808 · Jun 4, 2016

TheCh33se said:
Pot is about 5 gals. I just moved up about a week and a half ago from a 3 gal pot. Maybe it's still adjusting?

Hmm, any water buffers in it? Did the problem worsen after feeding high P?
*edit - i noticed you dont have non-transparent reflectors on the cfl's, that will severly degrade usable light in a bedroom like that.

For example, Without a reflector you are near 1/16th instead of 1

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/vision/isql.html

TheCh33se · Jun 4, 2016

SPLFreak808, I feel like I just had an epiphany. Thank you.

You could certainly lead that to the lack of trichome production thus far?

I mean 26K lumens /16 is like, a lot less.

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