40+ lbs with 12 Plants in 2 Rooms on a Flip

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hybridway2

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Yes, nice work & hope you keep sharing.. You have the rooms i once almost had. Lol!
Will you be going with an LED room anytime soon? If you go white cobs o highky recommend adding some IR.
Hoping you do, interested to see how transition goes.
 

purpaterp

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If the plant is small and the pot is large for example then it will take a long time for the coco to dry enough that it would no longer be considered saturated or too wet. Probably pushing the limits if we don't allow it to dry enough to get some oxygen time at the roots. Lets say we have a plant that takes 3 days to get to where it's halfway dry. If we only wait 2 days and water then it's going to be lacking oxygen for 5 days straight. It's those breaks when oxygen gets in there that prevent the root rot.

The roots need to get oxygen at some point to prevent the growth of anaerobic bacteria (pythium / root rot). When the coco is saturated there are no air pockets to speak of so we are entirely dependent on the limited supply of dissolved oxygen in the water that was fed. The only way deep water culture works is the oxygenation of the nutrient solution. I hope that helps, I basically explained it in every way I can think of lol
If in properly sized containers with a 30% perlite mix I’ve heard it’s almost impossible to overwater Coco. What are you thoughts on high frequency fertigation in coco renfro?
 

Renfro

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If in properly sized containers with a 30% perlite mix I’ve heard it’s almost impossible to overwater Coco. What are you thoughts on high frequency fertigation in coco renfro?
I have damn near killed plants in 10 gallon pots with coco by watering too often. So I know for a fact that you can indeed over water coco. It needs to dry some but not as much as soil.
 

Gond00s

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I have damn near killed plants in 10 gallon pots with coco by watering too often. So I know for a fact that you can indeed over water coco. It needs to dry some but not as much as soil.
yea did u do all coco because that's a good way to kill plants learned my lesson. just but more perlite in it I guess.
 

Renfro

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Not all strains drink the same. Had one strain that wasn't drinking as fast and the others were fine but the slow drinker got root rot from being too wet all the time since I failed to treat it separately. Plants speed up around day 20 of 12/12 and they slow down around day 50 - 55, strains vary but I find they all do this. I have had issues where I kept watering at high frequency when they tapered off. So you really need to be watering by hand and checking who needs and who doesn't. Otherwise you are making a compromise if growing multiple strains. All one strain and they will all drink the same and thats easy peasy but you still need to speed up and then taper off the watering if you wanna max things out. These are things I learned from observation in both the soiless peat based mixes and in coco. Not something you'd notice in hydro so I learned a lot when I switched from hydro.
 

Renfro

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You would be surprised how sudden and agressive they start guzzling around day 20 of 12/12. Say I am watering once daily on day 19. Day 20 they are dry as a bone if I wait too long, they need water at more like 16 - 18 hour interval now. I noticed with coco it goes from halfway dry to really dry in short order. A moisture meter reads top green at 2pm, then at 5pm it's middle green but on 30 more minutes it's going red. So the perfect time to water is when the moisture meter says middle green or just above. That is optimal IMO, but treating all the plants the same with auto watering just doesn't work if they are drinking at different rates. You can error on the side of over watering to a degree but you can't keep them saturated constantly. So if you have a plant that needs it's water every 36 hours, you might get away with watering it early but maybe not 12 hours early... doing that constantly ends up causing root rot. Seen it. Looked at the roots.
 

purpaterp

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You would be surprised how sudden and agressive they start guzzling around day 20 of 12/12. Say I am watering once daily on day 19. Day 20 they are dry as a bone if I wait too long, they need water at more like 16 - 18 hour interval now. I noticed with coco it goes from halfway dry to really dry in short order. A moisture meter reads top green at 2pm, then at 5pm it's middle green but on 30 more minutes it's going red. So the perfect time to water is when the moisture meter says middle green or just above. That is optimal IMO, but treating all the plants the same with auto watering just doesn't work if they are drinking at different rates. You can error on the side of over watering to a degree but you can't keep them saturated constantly. So if you have a plant that needs it's water every 36 hours, you might get away with watering it early but maybe not 12 hours early... doing that constantly ends up causing root rot. Seen it. Looked at the roots.
Thanks for the knowledge man! What meter do you run?
 

greg nr

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Colorado, among other places. Get ready, this is where the market is going.
I've heard grow store operators crying (and rightfully so) that these prices are putting them out of business. Where growing was once a necessity if you wanted any amount of reasonably priced weed (either to use or sell), it is now uneconomical for many, so they have gone from growing to just buying.

One of the unintended consequences of legalization. I used to brew my own beer because I couldn't find styles I liked anywhere near me. Now you can buy exotic Belgium lambic's in mini marts for less than you can brew a good lager from grain. i don't brew any more.
 

ozziebud

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i put taps on watering lines to adjust flow to each pot if plants are at different stages i also do a qaurter pot of clay balls then top up with coco perlite mixture a the moment watering 3 times a day 20 seconds
 

Renfro

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I've heard grow store operators crying (and rightfully so) that these prices are putting them out of business. Where growing was once a necessity if you wanted any amount of reasonably priced weed (either to use or sell), it is now uneconomical for many, so they have gone from growing to just buying.

One of the unintended consequences of legalization. I used to brew my own beer because I couldn't find styles I liked anywhere near me. Now you can buy exotic Belgium lambic's in mini marts for less than you can brew a good lager from grain. i don't brew any more.
Now days you have to have extreme quality with very high yields if you wanna be successful in this industry. Used to be that anyone could play the game but this legalization trend is weeding out all the lesser growers. Even the top notch weed fetches so much less now that most of the lucrative profit that drove the growers is gone. I remember wholesaling pounds black market for many many years with the price locked at 5000 per pound wholesale, I couldn't grow it fast enough. My buyers were selling it at $35 a gram in a college town and tripling their money, going through 15 - 20 pounds a month. Once legalization kicked in, prices quickly went to $2400 a pound, then within another year it was at $1600 and now it's dipped closer to $1000 maybe $1300 if it's banging. So all the motivation is gone for growers only producing 1 - 1.5 # per light of even the best quality. If the quality isn't there then be lucky if you can get $500 a pound, probably just stuck with it. Used to be that you could grow 8 pounds under 4 lights and have $40k for doing it, you didn't even care about the utilities and nutrients, light bulbs and shit, now the same grow puts out $9600 gross, minus costs and it's not worth the hassle. So no longer can a mediocre grower make money. and the good growers have to be on point and the business has to be run like that, tight because the profit margins are way smaller than they used to be. There is also no motivating reason to take risk if your in an illegal state and find your market flooded with out of state weed at $2000 - $2400 a pound. Not enough profit to make it worth going to jail. So yeah, legalization is a double edged sword. I personally miss the good old days of $5000 a pound wholesale and having to keep my head low, but I never got busted and went through that shit although I knew those that did. I just stayed one step ahead and always listened to my gut, never got greedy.
 

Renfro

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Also used to be that you spent to setup a grow and it not only paid for itself in the first run but made a lot of profit. Now you are lucky if the first run can cover the setup costs.
 

ryan s

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Good shit! Seems like growing your own is hardly worth it these days in Colorado. If it’s not top quality it’s a waste even if you’re growing for personal use. A recreational store a few miles away from me is going to be selling Apex’s MAC for $80/oz otd. Hard to complete with that for most growers. Looks like you know what your doing however the ticket to even get started doing what you’re doing is a doozy and one bad grow can really set you back.
 

Tiflis

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Good shit! Seems like growing your own is hardly worth it these days in Colorado. If it’s not top quality it’s a waste even if you’re growing for personal use. A recreational store a few miles away from me is going to be selling Apex’s MAC for $80/oz otd. Hard to complete with that for most growers. Looks like you know what your doing however the ticket to even get started doing what you’re doing is a doozy and one bad grow can really set you back.
Maybe it's different when you're local or have friends or otherwise know people. Everything I got from a dispensary when I visited Denver was drier than a mofo.
 

fragileassassin

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Good shit! Seems like growing your own is hardly worth it these days in Colorado. If it’s not top quality it’s a waste even if you’re growing for personal use. A recreational store a few miles away from me is going to be selling Apex’s MAC for $80/oz otd. Hard to complete with that for most growers. Looks like you know what your doing however the ticket to even get started doing what you’re doing is a doozy and one bad grow can really set you back.
If youre smoking a gram a day maybe. They keep changing laws and driving prices up. Unless you want to go chasing deals on weedmaps, its getting harder and harder to get an oz for $100 out the door even on the medical side. I have to buy too much too often to be chasing deals all around the city that often. I personally spend way less than the $100 a week id be spending at the dispensary and end up with way more.
Everything ive grown so far has been better than most of what I am able to get.
 
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