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Thundercat

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Well sadly a picture in bad lighting from 5 feet away doesn't show me anything. I can tell you based on what you just typed that you have the order of things wrong. The stigma will turn red and begin to receed, and THEN the calyxs will begin to swell, and then the trichomes mature on most plants. In that last few weeks, the buds will typically internally swell up and drastically put on weight. I've watched buds start bending over on sturdy stems because they got so heavy in just a matter of 2-3 days before.

The fact that your consistently harvesting plants early says a lot too honestly.
 
danjac82

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Hps growing is differant than cfl growing, your going to have to change it up a bit. By the end of the day you DONT want the leafs praying, you want them to he sleeping. That's how you'll know they have gotten enough light for the day. Theres a cycle you'll notice.
Your shaping the plants like people do for cfl grows, where the cfls are positioned all around the plants, and small plants because the light doesnt have enough power to produce a lot of buds.
That's why above I said you should look into the scrog technique to use the light from your hps better.

If you are going to use hps your going to have to change things is what I'm trying to say. Use the 1kw hortilux super hps bulbs. Use scrog. Use bigger plants and make sure you have plenty of fans blowing across the canopy.
Simply having good temps isnt enough. Simply having green plants isnt enough.
With hps airflow and where the air flows becomes very important. How long it takes the plant to consume the water becomes very important.

I have had 3 gallon containers produce 8 oz dry. It's not generally "rootbound" when people here say or thing it is, they just dont know what the real issue is.

I've hit 2 lbs from a single plant indoors. Ya my focus is large plants and getting the best results I can. I've done small plants, every size container from 2 qt, to 30 gallon indoors.
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also...I believe that if a plant has problems with heat and fresh air, it shows in the plant. They tend to show you with the leaves and overall health and speed of growth. I don’t have those issues. I don’t grow the best, obviously, but the environment provides fast growing (for me) plants that don’t get deficiencies and don’t drop. Leaves feel good to the touch. Color is good. Idk. Air feels good. Temps are good and I’m getting as much if not more fresh air than when I used cfl. I’d do them in small closet
 
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danjac82 said:
also...I believe that if a plant has problems with heat and fresh air, it shows in the plant. They tend to show you with the leaves and overall health and speed of growth. I don’t have those issues. I don’t grow the best, obviously, but the environment provides fast growing (for me) plants that don’t get deficiencies and don’t drop. Leaves feel good to the touch. Color is good. Idk. Air feels good. Temps are good and I’m getting as much if not more fresh air than when I used cfl. I’d do them in small closet
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That's where we disagree. The plant doesnt always show signs that EVERYONE sees. See what I mean? There can be fast growing green plants that do not produce good bud, as you have learned. See what I mean?
 
danjac82

danjac82

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Thundercat said:
Well sadly a picture in bad lighting from 5 feet away doesn't show me anything. I can tell you based on what you just typed that you have the order of things wrong. The stigma will turn red and begin to receed, and THEN the calyxs will begin to swell, and then the trichomes mature on most plants. In that last few weeks, the buds will typically internally swell up and drastically put on weight. I've watched buds start bending over on sturdy stems because they got so heavy in just a matter of 2-3 days before.

The fact that your consistently harvesting plants early says a lot too honestly.
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Right. Lol. I wasn’t paying attention to having the order right in typing. You know what I mean though. Calyx looked mostly swollen and red pistils was mostly all the eye could see. I know the trichs put on the maturity after the bud gets the certain plump look with everything swoll. These plants stayed clear longer than any plants of the past once they reached that point is what I’m saying. My mistake for sure in beginning to flush early. May have really affected the trichomes production and maturity when it needed it but idk..I’ve had plants look dead before they finally frosted right and smoke was better. This is my seventh total harvest so no pro at all. That goes without saying. The post says a lot about where I’m at. Sucks cause last crop was fire in there. A better finish for sure. Time to start expecting an 80 day or more finish on everything I guess. Get a better scope to check trichs too
 
danjac82

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Thundercat said:
You never explained why you stopped feeding them to "flush them" obviously it had negative effects on your grow whether you realize it or not.
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started flush..plain water. Not flushing to big run off or anything. Just plain water at regular amounts. DId this when pistils were pretty much all red and calyxes mostly all looked to be plumping. Big mistake to go by past experience where plants that had this look always had decently cloudy and some amber trichs shortly after In coming weeks. I anticipated same result and didn’t quite get it. Anyways, most plants yellowed to the top before chop. I did start to feed them again when I saw the finish wasn’t coming like expected. Chopped when either scared plant was literally going to be dead or they looked cloudy enough. My eye isn’t good for trichs. Never has been. Once again I wonder why plants I’ve taken at 40-50 days of 12/12 and clear trichs were ten times stronger than this early bud that actually has cloudy trichs..even some ambers...idk. It’s early obviously and maybe strain and phenos just weren’t the top notch and I needed it to ripen perfect to be average smoke
 
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danjac82 said:
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started flush..plain water. Not flushing to big run off or anything. Just plain water at regular amounts. DId this when pistils were pretty much all red and calyxes mostly all looked to be plumping. Big mistake to go by past experience where plants that had this look always had decently cloudy and some amber trichs shortly after In coming weeks. I anticipated same result and didn’t quite get it. Anyways, most plants yellowed to the top before chop. I did start to feed them again when I saw the finish wasn’t coming like expected. Chopped when either scared plant was literally going to be dead or they looked cloudy enough. My eye isn’t good for trichs. Never has been. Once again I wonder why plants I’ve taken at 40-50 days of 12/12 and clear trichs were ten times stronger than this early bud that actually has cloudy trichs..even some ambers...idk. It’s early obviously and maybe strain and phenos just weren’t the top notch and I needed it to ripen perfect to be average smoke
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Sometimes the plant will stop growing from the shock of not having any nutrients. I to made the mistake of flushing with water and my plants took 2 more weeks to finish. Don’t panic about your light and we all learn from our mistakes better luck to ya next round and if you like growing never give up
 
Thundercat

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danjac82 said:
Right. Lol. I wasn’t paying attention to having the order right in typing. You know what I mean though. Calyx looked mostly swollen and red pistils was mostly all the eye could see. I know the trichs put on the maturity after the bud gets the certain plump look with everything swoll. These plants stayed clear longer than any plants of the past once they reached that point is what I’m saying. My mistake for sure in beginning to flush early. May have really affected the trichomes production and maturity when it needed it but idk..I’ve had plants look dead before they finally frosted right and smoke was better. This is my seventh total harvest so no pro at all. That goes without saying. The post says a lot about where I’m at. Sucks cause last crop was fire in there. A better finish for sure. Time to start expecting an 80 day or more finish on everything I guess. Get a better scope to check trichs too
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I'm not tryring to be rude man, but the pictures of the dried buds don't have swollen bracts.

The final swell after the stigma receed isn't super visible on the buds. The buds don't get much bigger as they swell, the bracts inside do. Each little bract will get fat.

Learning the plants better will help you make more educated decisions on how to treat them, and when to harvest. You don't need to expect every plant to do 80 days, you need to stop worrying about how many days its been, and focus on only what the plants are doing and looking like. I havn't checked trichomes in years, its not really needed once you understand the plants well.

Oh yeah, and forget about flushing its for toilets. I normally encourage people to try both methods, but you need to dial in your grow before you play with variables like that.
 
danjac82

danjac82

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growingforfun said:
That's where we disagree. The plant doesnt always show signs that EVERYONE sees. See what I mean? There can be fast growing green plants that do not produce good bud, as you have learned. See what I mean?
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Yea I agree that soemthjng went wrong in flower. Late flower. I fucked up. Frost was there. Potential was there. I have my issues growing but potency has never been an issue.until now. I just want to throw that out there. Best guess is the yellowing early and semi flush for a week when they weren’t ready for flush. I want to blame the light but now don’t think it makes sense. It hurt trich production. Seemed one jack 47 plant trichs got smaller and skinnier at the end. Could be wrong but seemed they weren’t the same at the end. Had them grooving and went wrong toward the end. Lighting and pot size, air flow etc are the keys to improving this is what you say. Could be right. Who am I to say no..absolutely no. Perhaps youve touched on something.important
 
Thundercat

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danjac82 said:
Yea I agree that soemthjng went wrong in flower. Late flower. I fucked up. Frost was there. Potential was there. I have my issues growing but potency has never been an issue.until now. I just want to throw that out there. Best guess is the yellowing early and semi flush for a week when they weren’t ready for flush. I want to blame the light but now don’t think it makes sense. It hurt trich production. Seemed one jack 47 plant trichs got smaller and skinnier at the end. Could be wrong but seemed they weren’t the same at the end. Had them grooving and went wrong toward the end. Lighting and pot size, air flow etc are the keys to improving this is what you say. Could be right. Who am I to say no..absolutely no. Perhaps youve touched on something.important
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You keep saying all this happened at the end, but it didn't, you just cut plants that were in the middle of their life.....
 
danjac82

danjac82

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Thundercat said:
You keep saying all this happened at the end, but it didn't, you just cut plants that were in the middle of their life.....
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I know. I need to probably accept that. I felt maybe the early flush and quick yellowing stalled trich development possibly so wanted to blame the lack of nutrients when they needed it for weak buzz...trichs not developing. Early chop. Same thing. I should just say early chop. My eyes suck obviously. These don’t look mostly cloudy with some ambers?9CD2C1E1-1502-4FF6-9C2D-66418F8A256A.png
 
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danjac82 said:
Yea I agree that soemthjng went wrong in flower. Late flower. I fucked up. Frost was there. Potential was there. I have my issues growing but potency has never been an issue.until now. I just want to throw that out there. Best guess is the yellowing early and semi flush for a week when they weren’t ready for flush. I want to blame the light but now don’t think it makes sense. It hurt trich production. Seemed one jack 47 plant trichs got smaller and skinnier at the end. Could be wrong but seemed they weren’t the same at the end. Had them grooving and went wrong toward the end. Lighting and pot size, air flow etc are the keys to improving this is what you say. Could be right. Who am I to say no..absolutely no. Perhaps youve touched on something.important
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I've asked several times if you had fans blowing across the canopy and you never answered, only saying you think they have enough "fresh air" I think this could be part of the issue.
I'm not sure that is what went wrong for you, but I can tell you as sure as a fact that when using hps if you dont have a fan blowing across the canopy things can look perfect when they arnt.

Also, dont starve out your plants too much like it sounds like you did. A couple days of clean water at the end is fine. The idea of flushing comes from when people used to use extremely high phosphorus. People now days dont generally do that, and flushing doesnt matter as much or at all.
I can harvest healthy green plants that got only 1 pure water before harvest and it tastes great. But I use differant nutrients now than 8 years ago when a week or 2 flush was needed so the buds wernt fireworks.
 
danjac82

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growingforfun said:
I've asked several times if you had fans blowing across the canopy and you never answered, only saying you think they have enough "fresh air" I think this could be part of the issue.
I'm not sure that is what went wrong for you, but I can tell you as sure as a fact that when using hps if you dont have a fan blowing across the canopy things can look perfect when they arnt.

Also, dont starve out your plants too much like it sounds like you did. A couple days of clean water at the end is fine. The idea of flushing comes from when people used to use extremely high phosphorus. People now days dont generally do that, and flushing doesnt matter as much or at all.
I can harvest healthy green plants that got only 1 pure water before harvest and it tastes great. But I use differant nutrients now than 8 years ago when a week or 2 flush was needed so the buds wernt fireworks.
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fan blowing across canopy..yes. Couple fans in there. One that hits top half of plants and one that blows right across the light.
 
Thundercat

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Completely unswollen bracts. The stigma may have turned colors from your other issues like the feeding but those plants aren't mature at all.

Amber trichomes don't mean shit if they aren't filled with resin.

Buds growing larger is not the same as buds "swelling". Swelling doesn't usually happen until after the buds have completely stopped growing and begin to bulk up and mature.
 
danjac82

danjac82

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Thundercat said:
Completely unswollen bracts. The stigma may have turned colors from your other issues like the feeding but those plants aren't mature at all.

Amber trichomes don't mean shit if they aren't filled with resin.

Buds growing larger is not the same as buds "swelling". Swelling doesn't usually happen until after the buds have completely stopped growing and begin to bulk up and mature.
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Ok gotcha. This is new to me. I always thought trichomes were filled with resin by the time they turned amber. So you are saying that they could be mostly amber and not be shit still? I obviously need to learn a,lot about trichs. I assumed they went from clear to cloudy as a sign of filling up with resin and then amber
 
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