3 Kings -- Coco & LED

Psytranceorgy · Jan 13, 2012

Des Moines? Cedar Rapids???

yea candles in the grow tent scare me too... Anyone doing this, PLEASE BE CAREFUL, or better yet, find a safer method!

Swiftowl11 · Jan 13, 2012

puffenuff said:
Thanks for the idea but I'm pretty set on trying out those exhale co2 bags. Those co2 buckets look cool too. I'd probably burn shit down if I left candles burnung all day while I'm at work, haha.

What's in Iowa? Seriously.

haha, Typed that on my phone at work. I meant ikea.

PSUAGRO. · Jan 13, 2012

Psytranceorgy said:
Des Moines? Cedar Rapids??? yea candles in the grow tent scare me too... Anyone doing this, PLEASE BE CAREFUL, or better yet, find a safer method!

Lol..... Many people are scared by open flame.....yet I know serious growers that run LP or gas lines into their grow room with a LARGE open flame and the possibility of leaks!! A small tea candle(self contained) in a large glass container posses miniscule threat(I do have a smoke detector and extinguisher in the room..ha).

PS...check the other forums for the exhale bags...some guy tested it and a candle(1 candle puts out double+ the ppm than the bag); either way you guys are correct that their is a risk involved.........happy growing.

puffenuff · Jan 13, 2012

Pic update!

First 5 pics are of the 3 Kings. First one is both of them under the led together. If you can't tell, the one on the right (we'll call #2) is still a little behind the other on the left (we'll call #1), about an inch in every direction. Aside from the leftover lower leaves that were burnt when I got them, everything is looking positive so far.

Frisian Dew - Under the 180w extreme flower

puffenuff · Jan 13, 2012

Psytranceorgy said:
Des Moines? Cedar Rapids??? yea candles in the grow tent scare me too... Anyone doing this, PLEASE BE CAREFUL, or better yet, find a safer method!

Safety first! I'm still laughing at Iowa (no offense to anyone from Iowa).

Swiftowl11 said:
haha, Typed that on my phone at work. I meant ikea.

Haha, thought you might have meant that because Iowa really didn't make much sense there. Good old auto-correct...Let me know how those candles work for you, it's definitely interesting.

PSUAGRO. said:
Lol..... Many people are scared by open flame.....yet I know serious growers that run LP or gas lines into their grow room with a LARGE open flame and the possibility of leaks!! A small tea candle(self contained) in a large glass container posses miniscule threat(I do have a smoke detector and extinguisher in the room..ha).

PS...check the other forums for the exhale bags...some guy tested it and a candle(1 candle puts out double+ the ppm than the bag); either way you guys are correct that their is a risk involved.........happy growing.

Crazy guys you know. I'm way too cautious to do anything like that so candles would be about as crazy as I'd get with open flames in my house, haha. Smart move with the smoke detector and extinguisher in there, great things to have in all grow rooms. Can you pm me that candle vs exhale bags link? I'm interested to see that. All the reviews I've read have been pretty much all good. I'm still set on trying them out for the hell of it.

Endur0xX · Jan 13, 2012

LiEBE420 said:
You're not producing Co2 with candles! hahaha

CO (Carbon Monoxide) is produced with fire that emits a YELLOW flame. Such as your candle...

CO2 (Carbon Dioxide) is produced with fire that emits a blue flame. Such as a propane stove, propane lantern, or burning natural gas.

"1. BURNING HYDROCARBON FUELS:

This has been the most common method of CO2 enrichment for many years. A number of commercial growers and greenhouses use it in their larger structures. The most common fuels are propane, butane, alcohol and natural gas. Any of these fuels that burn with a blue, white or colorless flame will produce carbon dioxide, which is beneficial. If a red, orange or yellow flame is present, carbon monoxide is being generated due to incomplete combustion. Carbon monoxide is deadly to both plants and people in any but the smallest quantities. Fuels containing sulfur or sulfur compounds should not be used, as they produce by-products which are harmful."

So.... you're lucky your plants are still alive.... now blow that candle out. (did you make a wish?)

just read this

Swiftowl11 · Jan 13, 2012

I did a little more research on the matter.
From sweetsaur on RIU: my co2 meter will reach 1500 to 2500 above a standard candle. Gas or propane makes it go off the charts though.

http://www.math.harvard.edu/~knill/pedagogy/waterexperiment/index.html

http://enochthered.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/earth-hour-candles-and-carbon/

Both of those say yes it does produce carbon dixode

But be careful, I did go get some candles, putting it in a big candle holder see what happens.

EDIT:
Alrite, cant do the candle, wife said No. HAHA, guess no C02 for me.

PSUAGRO. · Jan 14, 2012

Swiftowl11 said:
I did a little more research on the matter.
From sweetsaur on RIU: my co2 meter will reach 1500 to 2500 above a standard candle. Gas or propane makes it go off the charts though.

http://www.math.harvard.edu/~knill/pedagogy/waterexperiment/index.html

http://enochthered.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/earth-hour-candles-and-carbon/

Both of those say yes it does produce carbon dixode

But be careful, I did go get some candles, putting it in a big candle holder see what happens.

EDIT:
Alrite, cant do the candle, wife said No. HAHA, guess no C02 for me.

Lol ...........well the wife disagrees....Probably for the best...My room rarely got over 80, so its a waste running it anyways..

More like a placebo effect for me...haha...

yes candles DO produce co2!!!.........but like everyone said be careful.....

@ puff, well I can't find the thread that I read the comparison at(weird/was a while ago)....Know for sure it was on "Icm@g", searched and can't find it....
Anyways while trying to find that tread, Those "exhale bags" do seem to get good reviews.....So just ignore/disregard my statement about the bags vs candle without any proof....

Your bitches look great BTW....

puffenuff · Jan 14, 2012

Endur0xX said:
just read this

Swiftowl11 said:
I did a little more research on the matter.
From sweetsaur on RIU: my co2 meter will reach 1500 to 2500 above a standard candle. Gas or propane makes it go off the charts though.

http://www.math.harvard.edu/~knill/pedagogy/waterexperiment/index.html

http://enochthered.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/earth-hour-candles-and-carbon/

Both of those say yes it does produce carbon dixode

But be careful, I did go get some candles, putting it in a big candle holder see what happens.

EDIT:
Alrite, cant do the candle, wife said No. HAHA, guess no C02 for me.

PSUAGRO. said:
Lol ...........well the wife disagrees....Probably for the best...My room rarely got over 80, so its a waste running it anyways..
More like a placebo effect for me...haha...

yes candles DO produce co2!!!.........but like everyone said be careful.....

@ puff, well I can't find the thread that I read the comparison at(weird/was a while ago)....Know for sure it was on "Icm@g", searched and can't find it....
Anyways while trying to find that tread, Those "exhale bags" do seem to get good reviews.....So just ignore/disregard my statement about the bags vs candle without any proof....

Your bitches look great BTW....

Great discussion guys, thanks for adding some extra value to my journal! From what I've read, candles emit both carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide, although I'm not sure which has greater presence. I think if you want to light up a few candles for a couple of hours a day while you're in the grow room then it couldn't really do any harm.

Thanks for the compliment on the ladies! You know how females always like to be told how good they look, haha. I sweet talk my plants by the way, anyone else do this?

dannyboy602 · Jan 14, 2012

you prolably emit more co2 yourself just being in the grow room than the candles. i tell my plants stories. they like cat in the hat the best

puffenuff · Jan 16, 2012

Mixed up the second batch of vegging nutrients. Increased the A+B to from 4ml/gal to 6ml/gal. Keeping the Rhizo at around 10ml/gal for another couple feedings. I'm also adding in the MagiCal this time at 2ml/gal. I plan on spraying them down with the magic green one more time this week, maybe tonight. I'll get some pics up tonight and take some measurements as well. I'm.looking to start flowering around 20 inches.

Banditt · Jan 16, 2012

puffenuff said:
Pic update!

First 5 pics are of the 3 Kings. First one is both of them under the led together. If you can't tell, the one on the right (we'll call #2) is still a little behind the other on the left (we'll call #1), about an inch in every direction. Aside from the leftover lower leaves that were burnt when I got them, everything is looking positive so far.

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hey man, just noticed this thread. I think I'm gonna pull up a chair for this one since I am a recently converted coco grower, and I have had some interest in LEDs recently. I haven't read all the posts yet but I seen these pics and wanted to make a quick comment that will hopefully help you out.

I notice in your pic the coco is drying out around the edges. From my experience you gotta keep coco moist all the time. Coco is not at all like soil in that aspect. The PH will fucking swing like crazy when it starts drying out. Its not uncommon to have to feed/water 2x a day with coco in pots like that. Always water with some nutes in the mix as well, this helps keep the PH stable and buffered. Doesn't have to be super strong on off days but just enough to get your PH straight and add a little buffer to it.

Sorry to jump all over your thread with advice but I seen those dry edges in the pic and alarms started going off in my head instantly. lol

Hope all goes well, I'm subbed.

puffenuff · Jan 16, 2012

Thanks for the advice man and welcome aboard, glad to have you along for the ride. So from my experiences with coco and leds, it's better to let your coco dry up some, not bone dry or anything, but you want to make sure you dont get root rot. You are correct about wanting to get a nice even watering though. The reason why you see some dry edges in my pots is because I had just transplanted a few days ago and I'm working my way outward with the watering as the roots expand out. As they get bigger, the edges will be wet too if that.makes any sense.

Banditt · Jan 16, 2012

puffenuff said:
Thanks for the advice man and welcome aboard, glad to have you along for the ride. So from my experiences with coco and leds, it's better to let your coco dry up some, not bone dry or anything, but you want to make sure you dont get root rot. You are correct about wanting to get a nice even watering though. The reason why you see some dry edges in my pots is because I had just transplanted a few days ago and I'm working my way outward with the watering as the roots expand out. As they get bigger, the edges will be wet too if that.makes any sense.

Got ya, I don't think root rot is very prevalent in coco, it would have to be really drenched, and even then it would be hard to get. The coco by nature is extremely airy and drains very well, and as you probably noticed it doesn't compact like soil even when it is drenched. That quality is what makes it superior and one of the reason why you will probably never get root rot in coco no matter how wet you keep it. I've done about 3 grows with it so far and I absolutley love the stuff. Only thing I don't like about it is you tend to get fungus gnats in the bags of coir, I neevr had bugs until I started running coco. But nonetheless, they are easy to deal with and the benefits of the medium outweigh spraying for gants every couple weeks.

puffenuff · Jan 16, 2012

Yeah, I love growing in coco for all those reasons you mentioned. But when growing with leds, you need to watch out for root rot because the rate at which the medium (this goes for all medium under led) drys out is much slower than under traditional lighting. I got some root rot on my first coco/led grow because I was overwatering and never allowing it to dry up any. I find when using coco & leds it's best to treat it like it is something inbetween soil and hydro.

PSUAGRO. · Jan 16, 2012

All this coco talk is making me want to switch........I just can't get it locally(which I prefer)...

Banditt · Jan 16, 2012

PSUAGRO. said:
All this coco talk is making me want to switch........I just can't get it locally(which I prefer)...

Just get some delivered. Everytime i have had it delivered it came in a plain brown box. So no one knows what it is. Plus it is reusable. So after you get some delivered, you'll be able to use it at least 3-4 times before you need to buy more. Just gotta build a sifting screen to get the roots out after harvest which is easy.

PSUAGRO. · Jan 16, 2012

Banditt said:
Just get some delivered. Everytime i have had it delivered it came in a plain brown box. So no one knows what it is. Plus it is reusable. So after you get some delivered, you'll be able to use it at least 3-4 times before you need to buy more. Just gotta build a sifting screen to get the roots out after harvest which is easy.

I'm a paranoid bastard when it comes to large deliveries......but yeah it makes sense.......
You say AT LEAST 3-4 times useable...Really??? Or is this a nute dependent scenario???? organic only???

Banditt · Jan 16, 2012

PSUAGRO. said:
I'm a paranoid bastard when it comes to large deliveries......but yeah it makes sense.......
You say AT LEAST 3-4 times useable...Really??? Or is this a nute dependent scenario???? organic only???

Nah it more depends on how fast the medium breaks down. It will end up becoming dusty and losing some of it's airy properties after too much use. If you feed really strong you can always flush it with plain water before you reuse it so that is not really an issue. Its just more of when the medium begins breaking down that you need to replace it. I have heard stories online of people using the same batch of coco up to 9 times. Which I would never do but just goes to show you how high of a quality medium it is.

puffenuff · Jan 17, 2012

Yup, one of the great things about coco is that you can reuse it a few times. CANNA recommends that if you reuse coco, to double up on cannazym during the last feedings before harvest. I guess it keeps the coco's micro organisms / subculture alive. Three to four reuses is probably the most I would do.

The girls are looking really good now. Explosive growth so far, but not getting as bushy as I expected. Probably just genetics. I will get some pics up tonight for sure.

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