2nd year growing 2018 crop

socaljoe

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Are they truly flowering, or just showing preflowers? The latter would just be them reaching sexual maturity and not actual flowering. Can you post any updated pics?

You know your plants better than I do, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on what you say, I'm just curious.

I have seen a plant flower way, way prematurely due to stress, it was in a terrible soil mix that had stunted it and ultimately ended up killing the plant. But before dying, it went into full on flower mode. As far as heat goes, that shouldn't be an issue provided the plants are adequately watered. I've had temps in the upper 90's and triple digits, with no signs of heat stress or related issues.
 
MadMel

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The GSC mother plant. Sorry about the mix up. All of those above, labeled GSC , are the same plant. I might have to take a different picture. The picture of the mother plant isn't loading.
 
MiddlerGuerrilla

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Defoliated? ??? The only defoliating that should be done is Lollipoping. Buds get their food from leaves. You don't want to starve your flowers.
 
MadMel

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MiddlerGuerrilla said:
Sorry if I came off as an ass. Interesting read. I think Im going to test the method on a plant or two Thnx for sharing.
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That's exactly what I am attempting to do. Since GSC is not known for heavy yields, I figured that she was the best choice for testing. If I get a small yield then it is a flop. If I get a good yield, I'll keep on using this method.

Sorry if I came off defensive. I know that I STILL have a lot to learn. But it kinda struck a nerve because you said ALMOST the exact same thing that was mentioned in the article about lollipopping. It was dejá vu!
 
MiddlerGuerrilla

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MadMel said:
That's exactly what I am attempting to do. Since GSC is not known for heavy yields, I figured that she was the best choice for testing. If I get a small yield then it is a flop. If I get a good yield, I'll keep on using this method.

Sorry if I came off defensive. I know that I STILL have a lot to learn. But it kinda struck a nerve because you said ALMOST the exact same thing that was mentioned in the article about lollipopping. It was dejá vu!
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I noticed that as well reading the article lol . Im old enough to know I may very well be wrong. Lollipoping for me is more about good air flow as humidity and mold is a problem of varying degrees every year and Im a guerrilla grower.
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socaljoe

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MadMel said:
That's exactly what I am attempting to do. Since GSC is not known for heavy yields, I figured that she was the best choice for testing. If I get a small yield then it is a flop. If I get a good yield, I'll keep on using this method.

Sorry if I came off defensive. I know that I STILL have a lot to learn. But it kinda struck a nerve because you said ALMOST the exact same thing that was mentioned in the article about lollipopping. It was dejá vu!
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End of the day, they're your plants to do with as you see fit. If people didn't try new things, we'd never learn anything new.

Hope it works out for you.

I like my leaves too much...it makes me sad when I accidentally break one off while watering. :mrgreen:
 
MadMel

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MiddlerGuerrilla said:
I noticed that as well reading the article lol . Im old enough to know I may very well be wrong. Lollipoping for me is more about good air flow as humidity and mold is a problem of varying degrees every year and Im a guerrilla grower.
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Damn son!! You have a good Crop!!!

Yeah I get it about the airflow. Defoliation kinda does that too, just from the opposite end of the stem/branch.

The thing about defoliation, imo, is it creates more upright shoots/limbs/branches whatever, WHEN used with the supercropped plants. I don't think that I would try this on a LST plant. But then I kinda like "bonsai-ing" my plants. For me the careful bending and such is really therapeutic for me. I get the most peace, when I am with my plants. So it's good at both times, growing and harvesting! I can literally lose track of time when I am with my "patch"

I'm just glad that someone tried it and then told us about the process and how it works.

In a way, it's kinda like "rooting a plant " (cloning). Strip away most of the LARGE leaves so the cutting doesn't lose so much water while it makes new roots. This is just encouraging new growth is all. Lets the sun reach the growth that you are trying to promote.

It kinda makes sense from a purely horticultural point of view.
 
MadMel

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socaljoe

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MadMel said:
Damn son!! You have a good Crop!!!

Yeah I get it about the airflow. Defoliation kinda does that too, just from the opposite end of the stem/branch.

The thing about defoliation, imo, is it creates more upright shoots/limbs/branches whatever, WHEN used with the supercropped plants. I don't think that I would try this on a LST plant. But then I kinda like "bonsai-ing" my plants. For me the careful bending and such is really therapeutic for me. I get the most peace, when I am with my plants. So it's good at both times, growing and harvesting! I can literally lose track of time when I am with my "patch"

I'm just glad that someone tried it and then told us about the process and how it works.

In a way, it's kinda like "rooting a plant " (cloning). Strip away most of the LARGE leaves so the cutting doesn't lose so much water while it makes new roots. This is just encouraging new growth is all. Lets the sun reach the growth that you are trying to promote.

It kinda makes sense from a purely horticultural point of view.
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One could argue that taking away leaves is counterproductive as photosynthesis is the driving force of plant growth and you're taking away the components most responsible for photosynthesis.

Is this correct? I don't know, but it makes sense to me. However, I have no horticultural background, I'm a hobbyist gardener on my best day, so making sense to me and being correct aren't necessarily going to be the same thing. :mrgreen: But I do think it's an interesting discussion.

I'll be interested to see what happens. I hope you get the desired results.
 
MiddlerGuerrilla

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MadMel said:
What

What strains are you growing? That one bud has my mouth watering.
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That mouth watering is an early pheno of 09 Cash X PRofessor MOriarity. I have 2 other ones of that strain and they are each different phenos. One of them is a beast of a woman lol. Professor MOriarity is God's Gift X Super Qrazy.
Chocolate Thai x professor M
Chiesel OG
Super Qrazy x Bangi Haze
Koko (GG 4 X cherry pie/chem 4) X PM
IsIsland Afghani (R2 x unknown father )
Candy Train (DNA Training Day x Ken Estes's Candy Land) x father unknown
Maniac Crack (green crack x stumbleweed ) x Green Crack
MC x Chemdawg
GG 4
Orange Dragon Rider
Silver Honey Dragon
Adrenaline Dragon
Barking Bee OG
Dragonshine
Adrenaline Dragon. .....I think that's everything lol
The PM crosses are compliments of @Dr.D81
 
MadMel

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socaljoe said:
One could argue that taking away leaves is counterproductive as photosynthesis is the driving force of plant growth and you're taking away the components most responsible for photosynthesis.

Is this correct? I don't know, but it makes sense to me. However, I have no horticultural background, I'm a hobbyist gardener on my best day, so making sense to me and being correct aren't necessarily going to be the same thing. :mrgreen: But I do think it's an interesting discussion.

I'll be interested to see what happens. I hope you get the desired results.
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Well it has been just a couple of days, and I wanted to show you what I believe is the benefit of defoliation.

I know that everyone trims back the water leaves from the buds, in order for them to get more sunlight and be able to develop to their maximum potential. In a way, defoliation does the same thing, just earlier. You are trying to get sunshine on the developing leaves instead of the mature leaves. You are trying for increased growth.

Good thing I took some pictures this morning!! Look at the stems that are now able to receive that sunlight and how they have grown.

The defoliation FORCES the plant to "repair " the damage, meaning that new leaves MUST replace the leaves lost. The new growth just kinda kicks into overdrive in order to do so. This means that pretty soon I have a BUNCH of new leaves to replace those lost. (Think of an animal just eating the leaves and leaving the branch) Pure survival mode really.

I don't take ALL of the water/sun leaves, I leave some near the tips, unless they would shade the new growth. The object is to get sunlight on the new growth primarily so that they will take over the majority of nutrients and develop faster. This way, the older leaves don't "dominate" the demands of the Nutrients and sun.

The last picture is probably the best example. The next to the las picture, you can see that I have to get up on something in order to be able to look down on the plant. The "crown" is probably close to 3 feet by 3 feet or 91.5 centimeters by 91.5 centimeters.
 

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socaljoe

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MadMel said:
Well it has been just a couple of days, and I wanted to show you what I believe is the benefit of defoliation.

I know that everyone trims back the water leaves from the buds, in order for them to get more sunlight and be able to develop to their maximum potential. In a way, defoliation does the same thing, just earlier. You are trying to get sunshine on the developing leaves instead of the mature leaves. You are trying for increased growth.

Good thing I took some pictures this morning!! Look at the stems that are now able to receive that sunlight and how they have grown.

The defoliation FORCES the plant to "repair " the damage, meaning that new leaves MUST replace the leaves lost. The new growth just kinda kicks into overdrive in order to do so. This means that pretty soon I have a BUNCH of new leaves to replace those lost. (Think of an animal just eating the leaves and leaving the branch) Pure survival mode really.

I don't take ALL of the water/sun leaves, I leave some near the tips, unless they would shade the new growth. The object is to get sunlight on the new growth primarily so that they will take over the majority of nutrients and develop faster. This way, the older leaves don't "dominate" the demands of the Nutrients and sun.

The last picture is probably the best example. The next to the las picture, you can see that I have to get up on something in order to be able to look down on the plant. The "crown" is probably close to 3 feet by 3 feet or 91.5 centimeters by 91.5 centimeters.
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Cool. Hey, if you're seeing good results, then I guess it can't be bad.

I'm very much hands off in my approach in most aspects of gardening. I don't sucker my tomato plants, for example, even though many people do. I try and put in as little effort as possible...which means watering/feeding and the most basic plant maintenance.

Keep posting pics, I'd like to see how this progresses. Maybe it'll be something to try out next time around.
 
MadMel

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New picture 3 days later. (Supercropped GSC after defoliation) At this point, I think that I will leave well enough alone, and let these new shoots grow straight up. This SHOULD promote more colas. I haven't counted the shoots yet, but I am guessing that there are about 20-30, maybe more maybe less.
 

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