250w HPS Club And Help Guide

Doobieus said:

Welcome Plantman , that's a lot of info but my one suggestion is to get that high temp lowered to around 78-ish.

As far as everything else, Mindmelted will definitely help you. Mind knows his stuff, and he's hydroponics.


This one's on you Mind I have very little experience with hydro , lol.

Edit: I think Mind's a he but I could be wrong lol.

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Doobs you are correct again.I am a he

Mindmelted said:

Doobs you are correct again.I am a he

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Woman's intuition is great lol.

Whats up everyone ... I have like 2 runs under my belt with a 600 w hps but now ive moved north and my new space is only 36" x 20" , so i didnt wanna over do it and bought a 250 hps ... so far it seems great the smell is a problem tho ... i need a scrubber...

Anyway heres a pic of my ladies . the one on the left is Afghan Kush to the right White berry and in the back super skunk ... Theyve been flowering for like 4 days but the ss hasnt showed sex .... any help would be appreciated...

Well I just resently meet the requirements for the club. I purchased a 250 ballast kit and bulb.
I have one grow under my belt using cfls and was happy but bottom nugs were fluffy.

I am now running a small sog op using three 16 quart DWC rezs and will put the 250 above. It should look like this

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{DWC wk 6-9}{DWC wk 3-6}{DWC wk 1-3}

Each rez will have 8 clones and will be flowered with no veg time.

Our first batch is flowerin but under only cfls till our 250 gets here.

Any feed back is well comed

HydroBandits said:

Well I just resently meet the requirements for the club. I purchased a 250 ballast kit and bulb.
I have one grow under my belt using cfls and was happy but bottom nugs were fluffy.

I am now running a small sog op using three 16 quart DWC rezs and will put the 250 above. It should look like this

----------------250----------------=====cfl====

{DWC wk 6-9}{DWC wk 3-6}{DWC wk 1-3}

Each rez will have 8 clones and will be flowered with no veg time.

Our first batch is flowerin but under only cfls till our 250 gets here.

Any feed back is well comed

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Thats more or less the exact grow im doin. Im pumped to see your resutls.

BTW how do ppl feel about using dr. hornbys big bud..Im thinking about trying it out to get better bud.

ceerock said:

Whats up everyone ... I have like 2 runs under my belt with a 600 w hps but now ive moved north and my new space is only 36" x 20" , so i didnt wanna over do it and bought a 250 hps ... so far it seems great the smell is a problem tho ... i need a scrubber...

Anyway heres a pic of my ladies . the one on the left is Afghan Kush to the right White berry and in the back super skunk ... Theyve been flowering for like 4 days but the ss hasnt showed sex .... any help would be appreciated...

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Welcome to the club Ceerock.

Males usually will show first so the SS not showing sex quite yet could be a good thing honestly, just have to wait that one out.

If you need help with anything definitely ask away, we'll do our best to help you out . They're looking happy by the way.

HydroBandits said:

Well I just resently meet the requirements for the club. I purchased a 250 ballast kit and bulb.
I have one grow under my belt using cfls and was happy but bottom nugs were fluffy.

I am now running a small sog op using three 16 quart DWC rezs and will put the 250 above. It should look like this

----------------250----------------=====cfl====

{DWC wk 6-9}{DWC wk 3-6}{DWC wk 1-3}

Each rez will have 8 clones and will be flowered with no veg time.

Our first batch is flowerin but under only cfls till our 250 gets here.

Any feed back is well comed

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Welcome to the club Hydrobandit.

Sounds like a good setup to me, I would probably put the CFL's as supplement lighting around the bottoms of the plants though. So you get nice even coverage and decent lower buds, instead of fluffy.

Mindmelted will probably have more detail on the hydroponics aspect, because he grows hydro and I grow soil.

If you have any other questions feel free to fire away .

Doobieus said:

Welcome Mr.W . So you're switching to bloom soon or are you vegging it out a bit more?

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Prolly veg out a bit more. I have been really considering cloning one of my four to keep it goin cause its looks GOOD. but I don't even know sex which I know cloning could tell me. I just don't have the means to clone quite yet but dont wanna have to start from germ again.. any ideas on what I could keep my clones under while I flower the others?

mr.woodes said:

Prolly veg out a bit more. I have been really considering cloning one of my four to keep it goin cause its looks GOOD. but I don't even know sex which I know cloning could tell me. I just don't have the means to clone quite yet but dont wanna have to start from germ again.. any ideas on what I could keep my clones under while I flower the others?

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If you're going to take clones just let the SS show it's sex naturally, take clones, give it time to heal (For stress purposes) and throw it into flower. The clones will need their own room though....

If you want a continuous grow, I would highly recommend getting a mother room/veg room and a clone area started. In the end it will make life easier, and you will have a stable continuous grow going.

The only idea I can think of is to get a box for veg and what not built. At this point you have 2 options, option 1 being you can start from germ since you have about 2 months flowering time and by the time you harvest your new grow will be ready for flower, or 2 take some clones (After it shows sex) and put them in the box to grow out, at the same time have a couple new seeds growing so you can clone those as well and do it again. So your cycle would be original, clones, original, clones, etc. This is where a separate area for clones would come in handy.

Again this is merely my personal preference, in the end it's up to you. Hope this helps some and I'm sure others will have useful feedback as well.

Doobieus said:

If you're going to take clones just let the SS show it's sex naturally, take clones, give it time to heal (For stress purposes) and throw it into flower. The clones will need their own room though....

If you want a continuous grow, I would highly recommend getting a mother room/veg room and a clone area started. In the end it will make life easier, and you will have a stable continuous grow going.

The only idea I can think of is to get a box for veg and what not built. At this point you have 2 options, option 1 being you can start from germ since you have about 2 months flowering time and by the time you harvest your new grow will be ready for flower, or 2 take some clones (After it shows sex) and put them in the box to grow out, at the same time have a couple new seeds growing so you can clone those as well and do it again. So your cycle would be original, clones, original, clones, etc. This is where a separate area for clones would come in handy.

Again this is merely my personal preference, in the end it's up to you. Hope this helps some and I'm sure others will have useful feedback as well.

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Whats "SS"? To determine sex without cloning can only be done by switching them into flowering right? Can you clone after putting them into 12/12? I apologize, i am obviously newer to this and appreciate all your help. I would love to use all my closet and turn it into four separate areas, and i could, i just dont have the money for new lighting to that extent. Its not necessarily a continuous grow as it is producing enough to last between harvest. if ya know what i mean. lol You got a really nice plan laid out there and I have definitly made note of it, as it is similar to an idea I had thought about as well.

Im running out of room @ 3 wks of veg. I didnt use enough soil, and my plants are about 7 in tall apiece. Should i start flowering or is their a way i can transplants to another container? Should i be pruning and trimming too, come on forum help me out

mr.woodes said:

To determine sex without cloning can only be done by switching them into flowering right? Can you clone after putting them into 12/12? I apologize, i am obviously newer to this and appreciate all your help. I would love to use all my closet and turn it into four seperate areas, and i could, i just dont have the money for new lighting to that extent. Its not necessarily a continuous grow as it is producing enough to last between harvest. if ya know what i mean. lol

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The plant will show it's own sex when it reaches maturity (While it's still in Veg). However you can induce maturity by switching to a 12/12 cycle also. I wouldn't do or recommend cloning after already in flowering honestly. I don't like to stress my plants out too much, especially in flowering because it can cause the plant to turn hermie.

As far as more yield I would recommend LST or SCRoG but I think your plants are too old now, try looking into supercropping. However with most major training, you need to train majorly in Veg only, go a little lighter on the training in flowering. With 3 plants under a 250 you'll be able to grow them to about 3-4 feet high, so I mean it's not that bad of a yield.

For a cheap veg area you can go to walmart and get a power strip, 8 daylight CFL's, 10 Y adapters, 2 outlet to light adapters, 4 teir white plastic Plano brand shelving unit, plastic white shower curtain or mylar gift wrap, and a fan or two for like 40-50 bucks out where I live. Prices might differ in your area. As far as a cheap-o cloner, tupperware, airpump, heating mat, another power strip, 2 daylight CFL's, and 2 outlet to light adapters for about another 50-60 bucks.

So I mean you could build it cheap, if you can save up like 100-200 bucks you can definitely pull off a cheap veg and clone area. After you save up more you can upgrade the light and other things in your veg and clone area.

Also no need to apologize, we're here to help with questions. Hopefully this helps you out some, if you need further detail feel free to ask.

Edit: Lol wow I obviously smoked 1 too many there, SS is short for Super Skunk.

My bad there Mr.W lol, I mixed up Ceerock's grow with yours, Ceerock's growing Superskunk. Again apologies for the mix up there, wow.... *Puts the pipe down* lol.

sp4ce cowboy said:

Im running out of room @ 3 wks of veg. I didnt use enough soil, and my plants are about 7 in tall apiece. Should i start flowering or is their a way i can transplants to another container? Should i be pruning and trimming too, come on forum help me out

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Hey there Sp4ce welcome to the club, you can transplant into a bigger pot. The way I like to transplant is to let the soil dry out a bit and then hold the plant and pot sideways, then tap it gentle on the sides and it will eventually give and pull out easily. After that I just re-pot the plant and add about an inch to 2 inches more topsoil.

As far as trimming you can trim off the first 4 inches off the bottom so that you have air flow and room to transplant if needed.

Hope this helps.

sp4ce cowboy said:

Im running out of room @ 3 wks of veg. I didnt use enough soil, and my plants are about 7 in tall apiece. Should i start flowering or is their a way i can transplants to another container? Should i be pruning and trimming too, come on forum help me out

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yea man you will want to transplant before flowering.. those roots will be much happier. make sure to add soil to the bottom of the new pot before transplanting let your roots have room. follow doobs instructions pretty similar to what i do..

dont worry about trimming now wait untill later in flowering
and you dont want to trim too much your plants uses those nice big leaves.. i dont trim at all unless i got some nasty yellow leaves
but your plant looks healthy so you should be fine..

any more questions just ask man were all here lol.. and if we mistaken your question please correct us im sure all of us are pretty well medicated..

Thanks for the input guys. this is my first grow and i just want to make sure everything is going fine. the pot im using is big enough for the entire grow, i just didnt use enough soil, can i pull out my plant and just add more soil to the bottom? wretched, my plants look good right now?

Mindmelted said:

Nice going.Is your nutes making your roots brown like that.Or do you have some light getting into the res?

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That would be all the LK it happens after i innoculate with voodoo juice. The roots grow all kinds of extra arms and attract the nutes.
When i do my rez change and rinse off the roots they are pearly white with the exception of a few brown stains from the nute soup.

Here are 3 Northern Lights plants and 1 White Dwarf Seedling. The Northern Lights were started several weeks ago under CFL lighting and crappy Schultz soil with time release nutes and are stunted due to being rootbound. I thought that since Northern Lights was a shorter plant I wouldn't need a huge container but I was wrong. I am transferring to 3 gallon containers and FFOF soil mixed with Light Warrior tonight. I removed the CFL's for being a pain in the ass in a small closet and will be growing with a 250W MH system. Hopefully the transplant is sucessful.

plantman969 said:

That would be all the LK it happens after i innoculate with voodoo juice. The roots grow all kinds of extra arms and attract the nutes.
When i do my rez change and rinse off the roots they are pearly white with the exception of a few brown stains from the nute soup.

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Kool,Just checking.You would be shocked at some of the roots i have seen.And it was not from the nutes.Nice job though.Keep up the good work.

Ceebus said:

Here are 3 Northern Lights plants and 1 White Dwarf Seedling. The Northern Lights were started several weeks ago under CFL lighting and crappy Schultz soil with time release nutes and are stunted due to being rootbound. I thought that since Northern Lights was a shorter plant I wouldn't need a huge container but I was wrong. I am transferring to 3 gallon containers and FFOF soil mixed with Light Warrior tonight. I removed the CFL's for being a pain in the ass in a small closet and will be growing with a 250W MH system. Hopefully the transplant is sucessful.

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They do not look to bad.But definitely put in bigger containers.And the 250 will due wonders for ya

Wretched420 said:

yea man you will want to transplant before flowering.. those roots will be much happier. make sure to add soil to the bottom of the new pot before transplanting let your roots have room. follow doobs instructions pretty similar to what i do..

dont worry about trimming now wait untill later in flowering
and you dont want to trim too much your plants uses those nice big leaves.. i dont trim at all unless i got some nasty yellow leaves
but your plant looks healthy so you should be fine..

any more questions just ask man were all here lol.. and if we mistaken your question please correct us im sure all of us are pretty well medicated..

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There's good ole' Wretched, I know I'm well medicated.... lol.

sp4ce cowboy said:

Thanks for the input guys. this is my first grow and i just want to make sure everything is going fine. the pot im using is big enough for the entire grow, i just didnt use enough soil, can i pull out my plant and just add more soil to the bottom? wretched, my plants look good right now?

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well if your pot is a good size then yea man just add some soil to the bottom of your pot if you got more room.. and yea your plant looks fine man