250w HPS Club And Help Guide

stoneslacker said:

Having a bit of a yellowing issue on both plants, starting in the past 4-5 days. Added a bit of calmag the other night and in tonights feeding and lowered my overall nute strength with a bit more N. Hope they start to bounce back. They seem to be putting on good mass so far so hope the calmag helps.
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I do like these canopy shots, "boy done good". I've been LST and topping most of my grows to get a flat canopy, but going back to narrower plants, more of them, and just topped. They are short as buggery anyway, and the lower branches will still be 12-14" away from bulb at most.

SLOTH:
I use a Sunmaster Dual spectrum 250 HPS at 33,000 lumens with a maxibrite digi ballast...I've nothing to compare it against but it does a great job.

StoneSlack:
"i'm a little high" - really?? Just a little??

G-boy:
You are of course welcome here, my momma always taught me "if you got it, use it"

Doobs:
You remind me of the babe, what babe? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvyNOg4jSRg - still watch this and other childhood fav's regularly. Should Bowie have been allowed those tight pants on a childrens film? And is it wise to teach a generation that slapping a baby will set it free??

Everyone:
Went away for one day and came back to 10 likes... had to pop my collar and shoot my cuffs

10acjed said:

Popcorn brownies anyone?



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Me? No seriously, stick it in a tupperware and get it posted

You can find thos PP Super HPS on ebay for 1/2 that price too... But only uk...

I am using the Eye Hortolux Super HPS, 30,500 Lum in a SunSystem 2 hood, first grow and did pretty good. At least the light did everything it should have.

Hettyman said:

Me? No seriously, stick it in a tupperware and get it posted

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Oh man, they kicked our ass. First one wasnt so bad, the wife looked at me 15 min after eating and said "I dont feel anything" yeah right, story of my life lol... We were eating dinner and i looked at her and she lost it, laughing, giggling, I said "still dont feel it?" hahaha

Obviously had to have another for dessert, my head is still kinda cloudy right now... Going to a football game today, going to bring some for my tailgating buddies.. Should be fun..

I use Sunmaster bulbs as well and also do not have anything to compare it to.
I am happy with the results and would recommend it to others though.

stoneslacker said:

FF VII is easlily in my top 3 games of all time. Everything about it was so epic at the time, from the chocobos to the awesome KOTRT materia. Kefka is one of my favorite game villians, and FFVI is one of my best memories of discovering cannabis and video games. The soundtrack to my life definitely includes a large 8-bit Uematsu section.

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KOTRT my god had to start a chocobo pimp farm for that thing, the most epic of epic aside Bahamut Zero. Don't forget the master's either from the huge materia, or mega all. Or the W materia. Now look you got me allllll geeking out, shhhh it's a secret lol.

stoneslacker said:

Having a bit of a yellowing issue on both plants, starting in the past 4-5 days. Added a bit of calmag the other night and in tonights feeding and lowered my overall nute strength with a bit more N. Hope they start to bounce back. They seem to be putting on good mass so far so hope the calmag helps.
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Well for deficiencies if it is fading from the top of the leaf back it's N, if it's fading from the outline/edges of the leaf in towards the middle it's most likely Cal/Mag. Easiest way to tell the difference. Flowering doesn't absolutely need N, and yellowing of leaves around this stage is normal for the most part. If it's just fan leaves that is, if it's sugar leaves/leaves tighter in then you have a problem. What is your nutes/PH? Always a must Q when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Hettyman said:

Doobs:
You remind me of the babe, what babe? - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvyNOg4jSRg - still watch this and other childhood fav's regularly. Should Bowie have been allowed those tight pants on a childrens film? And is it wise to teach a generation that slapping a baby will set it free??

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Who do ?

Lol well I watched it and I turned out okay, so I guess? Dark Crystal, Labyrinth, and Never ending story, ahhhh.

I still want a Falcor damn it !!

Oh and Sloth honestly I don't see a big difference in performance between Argomax and a standard Phillips 250 HPS bulb. Only difference is, is price. The Phillips is cheaper.

Lumens are crazy, there are so many variables to measuring them. You have the distance of the bulb which affects lumens, you have sq footage which also affects lumens, reflective material, how many plants etc. Best bet though is figure out how close you generally get your plants, measure out those lumens, then do the whole sq ft/watt/lumens conversion. If done right you can easily get 10k + lumens per sq ft. Basically what I'm trying to state, is that you can milk more lumens from any brand of 250 HPS than what it is "rated" at.

Hope that helps some.

Can anyone tell me a good accurate avg yield for beginners with a 250w hps I hear 1oz to 4oz dry a plant is a good avg for a beginner and other ranges so what is the most accurate avg yield amounts?? And also I have 2- 55w cfl, 2-42w and like 4-23w cfl soo if I use the 250w hps and plus all the cfl for good side branches and the bottom of the plants where the popcorn buds be do yu think I can yeild 2oz a plant dry??? And the srains ill be running is high-very high yielding strains which includes the following, big bud x northern lights auto, afghan kush(World of seeds), big bomb and hash bomb(bomb seeds) og purple#18(rp), purple paralysis( cream of crop seeds and chronic(serious seeds) do you think I can pull down 2oz each of atleast 10oz total dry in all??? I will be using the fox farm line with a lil bat guano added in probaly every other watering and maybe more nutes but not likely I'm on a huuuggggeee budget sooo do y'all think i can be lookin forward to 10oz if they all finished, all are feminised also

I just switched my mh bulb our for my hps. I set the hot mh down on the carpet and I don't know what I set it on but now something is melted onto the glass. When I was taking it off I also noticed some kind of black specs stuck to the middle of the bulb glass also. Does anyone know a good way to get this bulb clean or do I need to join everyone else in the hunt for a new 250w bulb. I have only ran it for about 2 months.

I imagine the same way you would clean glass, mirrors, windows etc....but very gently!!! I've only ever had light dust or marsk on my bulbs, and a damp sponge to wipe clean, then kitchen roll to blot dry and then leave to dry fully before plugging back in.

Maybe use a glass cleaner, or vinegar and warm water. I am no expert on this, and there may be a more relevant thread with the answer already.

One thing I will say, is careful careful careful lol. And if you do use a cleaning agent, make sure you wipe it over with just water to get any chemical residue off as this may cause issues. It may not, I don't truthfully know, but better safe then sorry I recon

tred522 said:

Can anyone tell me a good accurate avg yield for beginners with a 250w hps I hear 1oz to 4oz dry a plant is a good avg for a beginner and other ranges so what is the most accurate avg yield amounts?? And also I have 2- 55w cfl, 2-42w and like 4-23w cfl soo if I use the 250w hps and plus all the cfl for good side branches and the bottom of the plants where the popcorn buds be do yu think I can yeild 2oz a plant dry??? And the srains ill be running is high-very high yielding strains which includes the following, big bud x northern lights auto, afghan kush(World of seeds), big bomb and hash bomb(bomb seeds) og purple#18(rp), purple paralysis( cream of crop seeds and chronic(serious seeds) do you think I can pull down 2oz each of atleast 10oz total dry in all??? I will be using the fox farm line with a lil bat guano added in probaly every other watering and maybe more nutes but not likely I'm on a huuuggggeee budget sooo do y'all think i can be lookin forward to 10oz if they all finished, all are feminised also

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10 ozs = 280 grams, which is over 1 gram plus per watt. Generally a beginner will yield around .5 gram a watt (125 grams) lower/higher depending on grower/strain/many other variables. I

Best advice I can give you is to cut that line up down to 2-3 plants and pack as many lumens in a smaller space as you can. It will be easier for you to learn and maintain. Keep your canopy around 3-4 ft (in bloom) or so as well.

georgyboy said:

I just switched my mh bulb our for my hps. I set the hot mh down on the carpet and I don't know what I set it on but now something is melted onto the glass. When I was taking it off I also noticed some kind of black specs stuck to the middle of the bulb glass also. Does anyone know a good way to get this bulb clean or do I need to join everyone else in the hunt for a new 250w bulb. I have only ran it for about 2 months.

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Baking soda/Sodium Bicarbonate or Washing soda/Sodium Carbonate + vinegar + lemon juice (From fresh lemons works better, and you can use the lemon as a natural scrubber). This is what I use to clean my kitchen with and that combo is my end all be all lol. You can bake baking soda to turn it into washing soda, just be careful shit's caustic as fuck.

The baking/washing soda works as a mild abrasive (Baking soda is gentle enough that I use it in my shower routine). The lemon and vinegar are pretty self explanatory. Make it into a paste like consistency and take a micro fiber towel/rag and scrub in circles gently but hard enough to remove it if that makes sense. Must be a micro fiber rag, those are made to cling tightly to dust, residue, etc and are very gentle.

If that doesn't work.... I guess you could try to burn it off maybe? I don't think that would be very safe though... .

Best of luck Georgy.

georgyboy said:

I just switched my mh bulb our for my hps. I set the hot mh down on the carpet and I don't know what I set it on but now something is melted onto the glass. When I was taking it off I also noticed some kind of black specs stuck to the middle of the bulb glass also. Does anyone know a good way to get this bulb clean or do I need to join everyone else in the hunt for a new 250w bulb. I have only ran it for about 2 months.

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I use 90% or greater rubbing alcohol to clean my bulbs. Works good, the higher the percentage the better it evaporates. Maybe try to heat the stuck on stuff with a hair dryer first.

tred522 said:

Can anyone tell me a good accurate avg yield for beginners with a 250w hps I hear 1oz to 4oz dry a plant is a good avg for a beginner and other ranges so what is the most accurate avg yield amounts?? And also I have 2- 55w cfl, 2-42w and like 4-23w cfl soo if I use the 250w hps and plus all the cfl for good side branches and the bottom of the plants where the popcorn buds be do yu think I can yeild 2oz a plant dry??? And the srains ill be running is high-very high yielding strains which includes the following, big bud x northern lights auto, afghan kush(World of seeds), big bomb and hash bomb(bomb seeds) og purple#18(rp), purple paralysis( cream of crop seeds and chronic(serious seeds) do you think I can pull down 2oz each of atleast 10oz total dry in all??? I will be using the fox farm line with a lil bat guano added in probaly every other watering and maybe more nutes but not likely I'm on a huuuggggeee budget sooo do y'all think i can be lookin forward to 10oz if they all finished, all are feminised also

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My first grow was 86g dry off 2 plants 45g and 41 respectively. Second grow was 42g and 19g but had lots of heat problems. I hope to pull 2 ounces a piece off my current grow but in no way see my self being able to pull a gram/watt. Maybe .5-.75 per watt.

Edit: Remember when they list yields for strains their estimates are usually based on perfect conditions, eg. 600-1000w hps, optimal temp, humidty, and a hydro setup of some sort. It is arguable but in my experience hydro yields better than soil.

Doobieus said:

KOTRT my god had to start a chocobo pimp farm for that thing, the most epic of epic aside Bahamut Zero. Don't forget the master's either from the huge materia, or mega all. Or the W materia. Now look you got me allllll geeking out, shhhh it's a secret lol.

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HaHa you have to be a little geeky to spend 100's and 100's of hours playing rpg's. Geeky? Yes I am a bit geeky. I am going to have to play FFVII through again now, and bust out the KOTRT/Mime combo!

tred522 said:

Can anyone tell me a good accurate avg yield for beginners with a 250w hps I hear 1oz to 4oz dry a plant is a good avg for a beginner and other ranges so what is the most accurate avg yield amounts??

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I cant, and doubt any can give an accurate avg. Alot of variable come into play, strain, temps, nutes, as well as beginners luck/mistakes.
I think your going to go with 6 plants if I read it right? You may be able to pull it off with supplimental lighting, but 1 250W I would put the limit on 4 plants, that gives you about 15"x15" horizontal space per plant, with 6 your down to 12x12 per plant, and pushing the limits of a the area. 250w = 36x36 horizontal, but the outside of that space would have the bulb 18" away so I try to lessen it to 30x30....




I am speaking on experience, first time grower just broke the 100g mark and still have a little maturing under the light. With 4 plants in a 24 x 30 grow area I was able to pull 1 oz+ per plant, about 1.5 on one of them. But the space was cramped, and I had a lot of issues with Ph and nute deficiencies. I could see myself being able to pull 1.5 per plant on 4 if things go well and its a good strain. But I could also see getting close to the same overall yield with 2 plants, let them veg longer and ScrOG

stoneslacker said:

HaHa you have to be a little geeky to spend 100's and 100's of hours playing rpg's. Geeky? Yes I am a bit geeky. I am going to have to play FFVII through again now, and bust out the KOTRT/Mime combo!

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Lol just a lil , the FF series is definitely my favorite.... pre square enix. 13 was alright, 10 was alright, 8 and the rest pffffffft hell no. I can't even begin to tell you how much I hated 12, got not even an hour in and returned that shit. Not enough weed in the world could make me play that again lol. OOoooOOoo I know someone who knows their materia combos *cou-stoneslacker-gh*. I really liked the Breath of Fire series too, surprisingly really well done by Capcom. There are so many old and new RPG's I've played that I doubt I could list them all. I like RPG's, Shooters, Adventure, pretty much every genre aside from those lame ass Barbie games/kids games.

got my second seedling today....... yay!! i also forgot i had a white widow clone floating about so i put that in the cupboard as well. so i have 1 WOS amnesia & 1 ak48 both fem and a fem clone of my white widow. will post a couple pics in here once i get something decent sized to take pics of. after much deliberation i have decided to top these rather than scrog. this is probably gonna be my last indoor flower for a while. missus is getting arsy about it too often. planning a decent outdoor for 2013. maybe 15-20 plants. if there is anyone in the UK that has grown outdoors, i wouldnt mind picking your brains about a few things... pm me.

Doobieus said:

Lol just a lil , the FF series is definitely my favorite.... pre square enix. 13 was alright, 10 was alright, 8 and the rest pffffffft hell no.

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I know people might flame me for this but my all time favorite was IX. Cant explain why but I connected with it more than any of the other ones and all of my good friends give me shit for it haha!

While i'm loving the nostalgia, and from memory I even started, I noticed there had a been a couple of pages with no plants, and as I had all mine out while I hid all my tents, and de-constructed my cupboards.

A couple of close ups of my next 2 hopeful ladies which were flipped 2 weeks ago. These are the first 2 plants that have gone from CFL vegging straight to HPS flower, and oh my God!! There will no longer be a CFL pre-flower room, instead all the bulbs are going in tent to help the HPS and hopefully cause Cola Chaos!!

Then as I had all my plants lined up, that the "2 plant maximum" my wife imposed the other month, had got a bit out of hand -
From left to right:
A problematic Blu Mystic, that is on the mend, and will harvest in 2 weeks, but not expecting much.
3 Blue Mys clones in red pots, about 2.5 weeks veg so far, another 2 weeks left.
One of the ladies mentioned above.
5 Aurora indica seedlings about a 4 days in soil.
One of the ladies mentioned above.
Strawberry Cough young plant, flip in 1 week-ish for a christmas treat
1 blue mystic clone, same as the 3 above
2 blue mystic clones, that were gonna be thrown away, but decided to nestle them in the gaps of my canopy under the 250.

Even though I was able to talk myself into a 2 plant "rotation" instead of "maximum", I think that 14 is pushing it. I may just throw a few of the smaller plants away to keep things sweet, or at least sweet-ish, and if i'm honest, I don't have the room, light or need for that much, i'm only a percy grower, and don't think that even I can smoke that much!!

What can I say, growing it is more addictive then smoking it

Well before I like your post, I have to point out you explain alot of different plants, but I only see two......

LMAO!!!

Hettyman said:

2 people liked it, but neither noticed that for the second time in a row, I forget to attach the pic.

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I guess im not the only one who gets stoned and then posts here

Thanks for the answers dudes I will run 4 plants the first run and hopefully have enough for me to smoke on cuz I smoke a shit loads especially wen the texans come on and sell a little to upgrade my light but for now I'm subbed here in the 250w club what strains yu all growing ATM

10acjed said:

Well before I like your post, I have to point out you explain alot of different plants, but I only see two......

LMAO!!!

I guess im not the only one who gets stoned and then posts here

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg7JmEA-tbY

Ok here is the pic I should have posted, once again...must try harder

I have a good excuse this time, it's cos I was concentrating too hard on getting the description of the plants right. And I can only get one thing at a time right