2016 MI Legalization-Competing Ballot Proposals
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TheMan13
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kountdown
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Even Schuette is changing his tune:
"Yet, in a visit last week to the Free Press offices in Detroit, Schuette sounded unexpectedly mellow about the proliferation of proposals to make marijuana legal in Michigan.
'Let them get it on the ballot and let the voters decide — that's my perspective,' he said with a smile."
Or he's just trying to appeal to a larger voter base because he plans on running for governor in the future. Hopefully this means if a measure were to pass, he wouldn't challenge it in federal court.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/04/20/marijuana-legalization-michigan/26050733/
"Yet, in a visit last week to the Free Press offices in Detroit, Schuette sounded unexpectedly mellow about the proliferation of proposals to make marijuana legal in Michigan.
'Let them get it on the ballot and let the voters decide — that's my perspective,' he said with a smile."
Or he's just trying to appeal to a larger voter base because he plans on running for governor in the future. Hopefully this means if a measure were to pass, he wouldn't challenge it in federal court.
http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2015/04/20/marijuana-legalization-michigan/26050733/
captainmorgan
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So what did you think of the Town Hall Meeting?
cephalopod
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"Even Schuette is changing his tune" I find that terrifying...alarm bells are ringing Willie. WE all know the cash grab they have on their minds, they're just sharpening their fangs.
Police and thieves in the street (oh yeah)
Fighting the nation with their guns and ammunition
Police and thieves in the street (oh yeah)
Scaring the nation with their guns and ammunition
From Genesis to Revelation yeah
And next generation will be hear me
All the crimes committed day by day
No one try to stop it in any way
All the peacemakers turn war officers
Hear what I say
Police and thieves in the street (oh yeah)
Fighting the nation with their guns and ammunition
Police and thieves in the street (oh yeah)
Scaring the nation with their guns and ammunition
From Genesis to Revelation yeah
And next generation will be hear me
All the crimes committed day by day
No one try to stop it in any way
All the peacemakers turn war officers
Hear what I say
NurseNancy420
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So far so good.
Rick Thompson Jamie Lowell ? These are good people who seedpac would like to see run for office..
Penny lost some lower branches to worthy homes before she excaped Flint
Thank you Hun.
captainmorgan
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Penny is getting popular here too,BB and the Mystery Girl are happy and showing new growth already. Good seeing you again and keep us posted on the legalization news.So far so good.
Rick Thompson Jamie Lowell ? These are good people who seedpac would like to see run for office..
Penny lost some lower branches to worthy homes before she excaped Flint
Thank you Hun.
kountdown
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The MCC and MCCLRC ballot proposals have been approved. My support is for the MCCLRC.
http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/06/competing_michigan_marijuana_l.html#incart_m-rpt-2
http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/06/competing_michigan_marijuana_l.html#incart_m-rpt-2
TheMan13
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Pro-pot groups OK’d to get signatures for ballot drives
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2015/06/11/marijuana-backers-get-ok-petition-drives/71062940/
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2015/06/11/marijuana-backers-get-ok-petition-drives/71062940/
Timmahh
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Deschedule, Decriminalize and Deregulate Michigan Because More Laws Create More Criminals (you)
Repeal of Prohibition is the only redress for Michigan.
Especially after I seen the Chess Board.
It looks something like this
"
Like has been said, Sharing is Caring right!
Please Remember the 2008 Michigan Medical Marihuana Act was a Peoples Initiated Constitutional Amendment.
Take Heed~
Anything that is passed by a Peoples Initiated Legislation, will come UNDER the Authority of anything in the Constitution, like the now being rewrote Michigan Medical Marihuana STATE CLUB To the Head ACT, where they will be writing in Compliance Checks if they want to. and Guess what happens if(as in as if) but more likely when they write in Compliance Checks into the Constitutional MMM A, and then Legalized Recreational Pot is passed by a Legislative Amendment which is UNDER the Authority of the MMMA, and you can grow 12, JUST LIKE THE MEDICAL PATIENTS.... but you get more, ie you are OVER LIMIT from the 2.5 in the MMMA too.
Can You Say Warrantless Compliance Checks???
Come on.. Give it a go. It has Such a sweet sound to it doens't it?
Say it with me one time.
Anddddddddddddddddd GO~
WARRENTLESS COMPLIANCE CHECKS!
Sounds nice doesn't it? I sure think it sounds SWEET.
I am basing this on Constitutional Authority. That is to say the Structure of Power in Michigan.
We the Electorate. (The People set here in Authority-that would be YOU)
The Constitution. (The MMM Act sets here in Authority-being rewrote by Congress with a 75% Super Majority as everyone celebrates the knife that is cutting their throat).
The Government. (Congress is here which includes Initiated Legislation (aka legalized recreational pot).
So. there you have it. Anything Congress does to the MMM Act while it is open to put in the CONCENTRATES the Fountainheads Dealed for... will have MORE Constitutional Authority than the Legalization of Recreational Pot."
Join us on Facebook, over 500 Michiganders in 2 months on board.
This is why.
This is the 100 word Statement of Purpose I have crafted to detail the objective of the act I have crafted.
I should have it ready to submit in a week or two. Welcome to the 4th but ONLY Sane Option for 2016 in Michigan.
"STATEMENT OF PURPOSE:
(1) Abrogate all codes, laws, policies, remove penalties for all cannabis
(2) use/associations.
(3) Removal from Michigan Controlled Substances Act in perpetuity.
(4) Cannabis/cannabis associations no longer actionable offenses
(5) against any persons in any manor whatsoever by Law Enforcement,
(6) Private, Local, or State Agencies/Agents. Strike all
(7) relevant Public Health/Criminal Codes and shall be kept in perpetuity.
(
Allow cannabis use for persons 18+, minors with parental/guardian
(9) consent, for all treatments, research, medical, businesses,
(10) educational, industrial, manufacture, development/deployment, like
(11) other plants, plant products into any forms.
(12) Retail taxation/regulations conform to standard state tax codes.
(13) No Sin Taxes in perpetuity."
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1579620145653960/
Repeal of Prohibition is the only redress for Michigan.
Especially after I seen the Chess Board.
It looks something like this
"
Like has been said, Sharing is Caring right!
Please Remember the 2008 Michigan Medical Marihuana Act was a Peoples Initiated Constitutional Amendment.
Take Heed~
Anything that is passed by a Peoples Initiated Legislation, will come UNDER the Authority of anything in the Constitution, like the now being rewrote Michigan Medical Marihuana STATE CLUB To the Head ACT, where they will be writing in Compliance Checks if they want to. and Guess what happens if(as in as if) but more likely when they write in Compliance Checks into the Constitutional MMM A, and then Legalized Recreational Pot is passed by a Legislative Amendment which is UNDER the Authority of the MMMA, and you can grow 12, JUST LIKE THE MEDICAL PATIENTS.... but you get more, ie you are OVER LIMIT from the 2.5 in the MMMA too.
Can You Say Warrantless Compliance Checks???
Come on.. Give it a go. It has Such a sweet sound to it doens't it?
Say it with me one time.
Anddddddddddddddddd GO~
WARRENTLESS COMPLIANCE CHECKS!
Sounds nice doesn't it? I sure think it sounds SWEET.
I am basing this on Constitutional Authority. That is to say the Structure of Power in Michigan.
We the Electorate. (The People set here in Authority-that would be YOU)
The Constitution. (The MMM Act sets here in Authority-being rewrote by Congress with a 75% Super Majority as everyone celebrates the knife that is cutting their throat).
The Government. (Congress is here which includes Initiated Legislation (aka legalized recreational pot).
So. there you have it. Anything Congress does to the MMM Act while it is open to put in the CONCENTRATES the Fountainheads Dealed for... will have MORE Constitutional Authority than the Legalization of Recreational Pot."
Join us on Facebook, over 500 Michiganders in 2 months on board.
This is why.
This is the 100 word Statement of Purpose I have crafted to detail the objective of the act I have crafted.
I should have it ready to submit in a week or two. Welcome to the 4th but ONLY Sane Option for 2016 in Michigan.
"STATEMENT OF PURPOSE:
(1) Abrogate all codes, laws, policies, remove penalties for all cannabis
(2) use/associations.
(3) Removal from Michigan Controlled Substances Act in perpetuity.
(4) Cannabis/cannabis associations no longer actionable offenses
(5) against any persons in any manor whatsoever by Law Enforcement,
(6) Private, Local, or State Agencies/Agents. Strike all
(7) relevant Public Health/Criminal Codes and shall be kept in perpetuity.
(
Allow cannabis use for persons 18+, minors with parental/guardian(9) consent, for all treatments, research, medical, businesses,
(10) educational, industrial, manufacture, development/deployment, like
(11) other plants, plant products into any forms.
(12) Retail taxation/regulations conform to standard state tax codes.
(13) No Sin Taxes in perpetuity."
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1579620145653960/
Timmahh
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Read the post I just made, and you will know why that snake was smiling.. He set the chess board up.
kountdown
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An MLive guide to the two petitions:
http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/06/michigan_marijuana_legalizatio_3.html#incart_river
http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/06/michigan_marijuana_legalizatio_3.html#incart_river
NurseNancy420
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No legal transfers???
I'm done
I'm done
NurseNancy420
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Steven Jacob Lull and some others are working on a repeal/decrim ballot
Timmahh
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I took it upon myself to craft language. I started it about 2.5 months ago in a serious manor, and had an initial start i made last fall. I have been stewing on all that is going on, and how to best craft and parse the language to be 1st, constitutionally sound and thus defensible, and do protected once passed and implemented, and in a phrase, returns all Cannabis and Associations to pre 1937 status in the entire state of Michigan.
It is pretty much ready to submit, but for one hurdle that has to be researched in abit more depth to see if it can be done, and done right. It can go forward without this one piece, but it is the most testy part of the entire issue. Pardons...may or may not be able to do it, May have to try to compel the Governor to issue executive pardons for anyone held for non violent cannabis only "crimes".
Once a few more things are in place (legalities of Ballot Drives). It is a little wordy, but this is government we are dealing with. wordy is what keeps them the hell out. I have had Draft A up on Facebook for a month and pretty much all i have heard against it besides being a bit wordy, is the People are Just Not Ready to Have that kind of freedom. After May 5th I think we were pretty damn clear where we were with it across the entire state, just like we were with the MMM Act in 08 but even more so.
I ill also have the website for the drive on beyond shortly as well. Atm, I am looking for people that are willing to head up and/or collect signatures in every county in the state.. for the proposal the group I have been fortunate to work with. The language I crafted is nothing short of Neutering the State governments authority at all levels where cannabis and cannabis associations of any kind are concerned, making them defend it, and all they get is the 6% on new retail sales of non medical/food/religious/agricultural products/items. and they are forced to regulate any cannabis product like any non cannabis product, regardless of that product, for all Adults 18 yrs of age and older.
It is pretty much ready to submit, but for one hurdle that has to be researched in abit more depth to see if it can be done, and done right. It can go forward without this one piece, but it is the most testy part of the entire issue. Pardons...may or may not be able to do it, May have to try to compel the Governor to issue executive pardons for anyone held for non violent cannabis only "crimes".
Once a few more things are in place (legalities of Ballot Drives). It is a little wordy, but this is government we are dealing with. wordy is what keeps them the hell out. I have had Draft A up on Facebook for a month and pretty much all i have heard against it besides being a bit wordy, is the People are Just Not Ready to Have that kind of freedom. After May 5th I think we were pretty damn clear where we were with it across the entire state, just like we were with the MMM Act in 08 but even more so.
I ill also have the website for the drive on beyond shortly as well. Atm, I am looking for people that are willing to head up and/or collect signatures in every county in the state.. for the proposal the group I have been fortunate to work with. The language I crafted is nothing short of Neutering the State governments authority at all levels where cannabis and cannabis associations of any kind are concerned, making them defend it, and all they get is the 6% on new retail sales of non medical/food/religious/agricultural products/items. and they are forced to regulate any cannabis product like any non cannabis product, regardless of that product, for all Adults 18 yrs of age and older.
TheMan13
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I would have used the minimum age of 21 to be in compliance with the National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984. No state within the union does not recognize this prohibition and that needs to be considered when day lighting such a similar recreational substance. With integrity it can be assumed MJ will be forced down that well worn and established path of alcohol in this country. Sadly the sin tax game you look to avoid does not plausible either given the precedence of politics and government today.
Timmahh
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Keep in mind, we are not ASKING or Compelling the Mi Government to do anything. We are infact Telling them what they can, and thus Can not do any more where cannabis or any cannabis associations are concerned. In the Michigan Constitution, we the people set in authority over the Constitution itself. No People. No Constitution.
The Government gets its authority from the Constitution, 2 steps below We the People.
And the Legislature resides in that subservient position to the Constitution, which we the people set in authority over all of it. No Constitution, No Government, No Government, No Legislature.
I know we all know this, but that alone is not enough. We need to force the government to capitulate their illusion of being in Authority over the We the People it actually gains its VERY Limited Authority for the governance of COMMERCE ONLY from.
If an 18 yr old can go to the military, drink at 18 on any base out of the country, pick up a gun, kill people for our freedom, then who are we to tell him he is too young to use cannabis when he gets back a yr later, one less leg, PSTD and a Prescription list a mile long because hes still only 19?
18 is the legally emancipated age, unless there is serious mental affliction involved. The wall of lies is falling fast. By this time next year, no one will want Legalized Recreational Cannabis. The Facts are beyond refute.
I get what you are saying TheMan13, but you and I, and those reading this here know that train of thought is flawed at its core, just as prohibition is flawed.
Alcohol prohibition started in 1918, and ended 15 years later in 1933. Cannabis in 1937 and 80 yrs later we are still trying to do what failed with alcohol.
And Everybody I speak with does not want to see Cannabis handled like Alcohol. The only people you EVER hear that Spew from is Spraying Fountainheads that will lose around 60 percent of the repeat business if cannabis is no longer an Official Actionable Offense that can be levied upon an Individual.
You ever speak to anyone that was part of the loophole when the Drinking age was changed in the late 70s and back again in the 80s?
You look in most European countries and they can pretty much drink at 16, but Whiskey ect is backed to 21. but many of them dont get Drivers Licenses till they are in their Mid 20s.
Far too many of the "leaders" seem to just want to give government full control of Cannabis. not like Prohibition isn't that already.
I just dont get it, But I am certainly not alone. The next few months are going to prove very intriguing to say the least.
The Government gets its authority from the Constitution, 2 steps below We the People.
And the Legislature resides in that subservient position to the Constitution, which we the people set in authority over all of it. No Constitution, No Government, No Government, No Legislature.
I know we all know this, but that alone is not enough. We need to force the government to capitulate their illusion of being in Authority over the We the People it actually gains its VERY Limited Authority for the governance of COMMERCE ONLY from.
If an 18 yr old can go to the military, drink at 18 on any base out of the country, pick up a gun, kill people for our freedom, then who are we to tell him he is too young to use cannabis when he gets back a yr later, one less leg, PSTD and a Prescription list a mile long because hes still only 19?
18 is the legally emancipated age, unless there is serious mental affliction involved. The wall of lies is falling fast. By this time next year, no one will want Legalized Recreational Cannabis. The Facts are beyond refute.
I get what you are saying TheMan13, but you and I, and those reading this here know that train of thought is flawed at its core, just as prohibition is flawed.
Alcohol prohibition started in 1918, and ended 15 years later in 1933. Cannabis in 1937 and 80 yrs later we are still trying to do what failed with alcohol.
And Everybody I speak with does not want to see Cannabis handled like Alcohol. The only people you EVER hear that Spew from is Spraying Fountainheads that will lose around 60 percent of the repeat business if cannabis is no longer an Official Actionable Offense that can be levied upon an Individual.
You ever speak to anyone that was part of the loophole when the Drinking age was changed in the late 70s and back again in the 80s?
You look in most European countries and they can pretty much drink at 16, but Whiskey ect is backed to 21. but many of them dont get Drivers Licenses till they are in their Mid 20s.
Far too many of the "leaders" seem to just want to give government full control of Cannabis. not like Prohibition isn't that already.
I just dont get it, But I am certainly not alone. The next few months are going to prove very intriguing to say the least.
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TheMan13
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All valid arguments about 18yr adults, but the National Minimum Drinking Age Act stands as law today regardless. You must take heed to this fact because if we're ever actually freed from the criminal prohibition game of the Controlled Substance Act and it's "drug war", we will run head first into yet this other well established criminal prohibition, regulatory and taxation scheme.
Timmahh
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Indeed. Unless their is a wall they can not take back down.
and a penalty for trying.
There is no affliction the young suffer that the aged do not. Not One. But like any medicine, until one is a legal adult, the parents/guardians are the legally responsible charge of their minor children until emancipated or 18 yrs of age. That has been the Generally Accepted Standard for 100's if not 1000's of years..
Agree?
and a penalty for trying.
There is no affliction the young suffer that the aged do not. Not One. But like any medicine, until one is a legal adult, the parents/guardians are the legally responsible charge of their minor children until emancipated or 18 yrs of age. That has been the Generally Accepted Standard for 100's if not 1000's of years..
Agree?