2000W Medical Garden, Prepetual Multi Strain Grow

Fonzarelli

Fonzarelli

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jsamuel24 said:
Hello once again RIU Community,

The following will be my second grow journal contribution to RIU since I became a member. In my last grow I did 3 Fire OG's under 6 39w Par Spectrum T5's. While I loved the quality of the medicine that I grew, the t5's did exactly what I thought they would do in the flowering period and made the bud a bit more leafy then I would have liked.
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Late subber here. Good luck with the 2000w HPS. I'm sure yer gonna get a big yield with that nice setup. I just wanted to comment on your opening post here that referred to your last grow.

I'm sure there will be those who disagree, but personally, I believe you had way more blue in your PUR T5 fixture than you should have for flowering.

You saw how nice your veg growth was under your light spectrum, but you don't need all that blue in flower. Ya gotta get some of the UVL 660's if you want to get density and less leaf in your buds. And keep your fixture as close as possible to your canopy because T5's lack the ability to penetrate very well. Or get some 660nm LEDs. I've had quite the success with MH + 660nm LEDs. Excellent results.

HPS is good for simplicity as a stand alone light source. As I'm sure you are well aware. Mixing HPS and MH works well if you want to minimize stretching.

I gotta get back to simple methods soon as I've got way more shit going than I can handle. More lights going than candles on Gandhi's last birthday cake.
 
jsamuel24

jsamuel24

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Fonzarelli said:
Late subber here. Good luck with the 2000w HPS. I'm sure yer gonna get a big yield with that nice setup. I just wanted to comment on your opening post here that referred to your last grow.

I'm sure there will be those who disagree, but personally, I believe you had way more blue in your PUR T5 fixture than you should have for flowering.

You saw how nice your veg growth was under your light spectrum, but you don't need all that blue in flower. Ya gotta get some of the UVL 660's if you want to get density and less leaf in your buds. And keep your fixture as close as possible to your canopy because T5's lack the ability to penetrate very well. Or get some 660nm LEDs. I've had quite the success with MH + 660nm LEDs. Excellent results.

HPS is good for simplicity as a stand alone light source. As I'm sure you are well aware. Mixing HPS and MH works well if you want to minimize stretching.

I gotta get back to simple methods soon as I've got way more shit going than I can handle. More lights going than candles on Gandhi's last birthday cake.
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Welcome to my grow Fonz, and thanks for subbing. I am in agreement with you in regards to too much blue in the spectrum. The 660's wernt out when I started or even in the last 2 weeks of my last grow so they wernt an option, and I wasnt able to get any red suns localy and I didnt really want to order them in. Hate UPS coming to my house lol. The HPS change was not because I didnt like the T5s or because I didnt want to stay with them. We actually considered filling the entire 12X8 room in par t5's for me to continue experimenting. But the real reason we didnt and I have mentioned this before is because we know that ultimatly we will go to plasma in the next 12-18 months. I couldnt see paying what I would need to to get all the t5's I wanted just to pay out the ass when I am ready for plasma, hps was a much more affordable thing to do to get what I want now and not have to spend a year to get the bulbs I really want in t5's. I am considering however suplimenting the HPS room with 4 LED lights, just havent started my research on what company and ect I want to go with as that is at least 6 months out and the tech is going to change at least 4 times between now and then. And who knows, plasma may hit well before then and then the HPS would be suplimental to the plasma lol.

Snoogins

EDIT: Oh, and as for a mh with my hps, I actually want stretch in my flower room......

I know, sounds crazy, but with the way i am veging, I cant start training under a scrog in veg, all scroging has to take place durring transition, or as everyone else calls it, the stretch, so I am purposly keeping the light over 24 inches away to promote stretch. Screen is going in tomarrow or maybe tonight if I get the energy to build it. The room build really kicked my ass.
 
Fonzarelli

Fonzarelli

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jsamuel24 said:
Welcome to my grow Fonz, and thanks for subbing. I am in agreement with you in regards to too much blue in the spectrum. The 660's wernt out when I started or even in the last 2 weeks of my last grow so they wernt an option, and I wasnt able to get any red suns localy and I didnt really want to order them in. Hate UPS coming to my house lol. The HPS change was not because I didnt like the T5s or because I didnt want to stay with them. We actually considered filling the entire 12X8 room in par t5's for me to continue experimenting. But the real reason we didnt and I have mentioned this before is because we know that ultimatly we will go to plasma in the next 12-18 months. I couldnt see paying what I would need to to get all the t5's I wanted just to pay out the ass when I am ready for plasma, hps was a much more affordable thing to do to get what I want now and not have to spend a year to get the bulbs I really want in t5's. I am considering however suplimenting the HPS room with 4 LED lights, just havent started my research on what company and ect I want to go with as that is at least 6 months out and the tech is going to change at least 4 times between now and then. And who knows, plasma may hit well before then and then the HPS would be suplimental to the plasma lol.

Snoogins

EDIT: Oh, and as for a mh with my hps, I actually want stretch in my flower room......

I know, sounds crazy, but with the way i am veging, I cant start training under a scrog in veg, all scroging has to take place durring transition, or as everyone else calls it, the stretch, so I am purposly keeping the light over 24 inches away to promote stretch. Screen is going in tomarrow or maybe tonight if I get the energy to build it. The room build really kicked my ass.
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Oh yeah, I get it. HPS are alright. I've been using them for the last 20 years anyway.

I was thinking of trying plasma, but I had this feeling in my gut that it was just another version of florescent lighting. I don't think they will penetrate as much as a HPS will. I think I'm going to keep my focus in the advanced spectrum LED work that I've been researching for the last 5 months. There are a few plasma journals over in the cannabis boards forum I would highly recommend you take a look at those before laying down the loot.

I believe there is great potential for LEDs when done correctly. I don't think that there is any factory made LED light that will work as well as a do it yourself light.

If you do go plasma next run, I will definitely be there from page 1 as I am very interested in how well it will work. I've been having such great luck with MH+LED that I will probably stick with it, and then move on to pure LEDs once I get a spectrum that is to my liking.

PM me when you decide to delve into the Plasma and/or LED world. I've got a shit load of info on LEDs and I would highly recommend a do it yourself version. I will be doing some custom LEDs for people when I get totally set up(drill press, taps for threading, soldering iron, bench power supply, etc.). This is the kind of work that I absolutely love doing.
 
Fonzarelli

Fonzarelli

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^^^^^^BTW, I don't know how much you want to fuck with the HPS spectrum. I've been messing around with LEDs and HPS and haven't found any combo to work that well. HPS already have a sweet red/blue ratio going on and you don't want to mess with it. You might be able to get by adding a couple Kessil h350 Magenta though. I tried adding the Deep Purples thinking the extra blue would help offset the HPS, but it sucked ass. Really, you don't want that much blue in flower. At the same time, if you just add more red to HPS in flower yer gonna get bad things happening as well. Also, the Kessils are way more expensive than they should be.

Ya might try adding some neutral white high power LEDs though. They got 100w dense matrix spot light LEDs that if you get a good reflector on work well. That way you won't screw up the ratio that's already in the HPS spectrum. They are relatively less expensive than the "horticulture grow light" LEDs that cost so much.
 
jsamuel24

jsamuel24

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Fonzarelli said:
^^^^^^BTW, I don't know how much you want to fuck with the HPS spectrum. I've been messing around with LEDs and HPS and haven't found any combo to work that well. HPS already have a sweet red/blue ratio going on and you don't want to mess with it. You might be able to get by adding a couple Kessil h350 Magenta though. I tried adding the Deep Purples thinking the extra blue would help offset the HPS, but it sucked ass. Really, you don't want that much blue in flower. At the same time, if you just add more red to HPS in flower yer gonna get bad things happening as well. Also, the Kessils are way more expensive than they should be.

Ya might try adding some neutral white high power LEDs though. They got 100w dense matrix spot light LEDs that if you get a good reflector on work well. That way you won't screw up the ratio that's already in the HPS spectrum. They are relatively less expensive than the "horticulture grow light" LEDs that cost so much.
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Hmm, I hadnt researched that. Gives me something else to think about, maybe 2000W is enough till I get plasmas. What do you think of adding the reptile UV lights around week 4-6 to help with resin production bro? As for building my own LED banks, I dont see that happening at the moment, no drill press, and a few other tools to do it that I dont have right now. With my wedding comming up, and the room I dont think my fiance would smile if I said baby Im gonna get a drill press so I can spend more money on lighting lol.


snooch
 
polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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well what i would do, me and fonz are on the same page but have different preferences, is do 1000w hps a bank of t5 on both sides and fv course some reptile mvb i would do at least a total of 6 100w ones, if you naturally aspirated.
 
jsamuel24

jsamuel24

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polyarcturus said:
well what i would do, me and fonz are on the same page but have different preferences, is do 1000w hps a bank of t5 on both sides and fv course some reptile mvb i would do at least a total of 6 100w ones, if you naturally aspirated.
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Thats what I was originaly thinking of doing... hmm, maybe I should just supliment each of my 1000W hps's with like a 400 MH but I really do like the idea of t5's if LED's wont really supliment.
 
polyarcturus

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wellll personally i would go with t5 over mh since i can achieve a much broader blue spectrum for flowering.

you cant really achieve that unless you want to splurge for the Hotilux Blue. MH is perfect spectrum for veg maybe a little red added in for the seedling and young clones but other than that a 6500 MH is spiking at the perfect veg spectrum add a little more blue to fill it out and small amt of red MH is perfect, in IMO MH has the easiest spectrum to correct with the addition of the least amt. of lights.
 
polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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in case your wondering what all that means, keep the MHs for veg use t5 or led to fulfill your blue req. in flower.
 
jsamuel24

jsamuel24

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polyarcturus said:
wellll personally i would go with t5 over mh since i can achieve a much broader blue spectrum for flowering.

you cant really achieve that unless you want to splurge for the Hotilux Blue. MH is perfect spectrum for veg maybe a little red added in for the seedling and young clones but other than that a 6500 MH is spiking at the perfect veg spectrum add a little more blue to fill it out and small amt of red MH is perfect, in IMO MH has the easiest spectrum to correct with the addition of the least amt. of lights.
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I wont be leaving my spectrum lights for veg I dont think. I just love what they do for me, but I do agree about what you said reguarding MH. So many choices and so hard to decide which way to go at times. Yay more research gatehering time. lol

snoogins
 
jsamuel24

jsamuel24

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polyarcturus said:
uh, 5 bulb fixture?!?



but it looks way too blue dom.
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Its 6 bulb, just hard to see the 420nm from the reflection off the hood. And too blue dom for veg? veg plants seem to be loving it, but I can put some red back into it. I think I listed the bulbs I am using earlier in the thread but if I didnt let me know and I will retype that out.
 
polyarcturus

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i can see thaat now thats where i put AS at. highest luminosity at the outer edges. so it makes sense

i think your light setup is the exact same as mine almost except i got rid of my 420nm for a FS
 
jsamuel24

jsamuel24

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polyarcturus said:
i can see thaat now thats where i put AS at. highest luminosity at the outer edges. so it makes sense

i think your light setup is the exact same as mine almost except i got rid of my 420nm for a FS
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I have a FS, a Fiji, a Blue Act, and the 420 to fill it out. It is a bit blue heavy, but even though everyone talks bad about the fiji, I think it has more red then people think. and the middays have alot of red as well. It will be a few weeks before I can buy new bulbs however. If it were you poly what would you change in the layout. Would love for Fonz to jump in on this comment as well as you two have done alot of research in this area. Would love UCCop to jump over here as well, but I havent seen him around lately. Or Trichy, or PF. man I need the PAR T5 guys to stop by lol.

snooch
 
polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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we are all still around except UC and i really wonder where he has been he was a good guy.

if i where to change the layout? hmm i would simply get rid of the 420, or fiji or whatever for a single 660 UVL i think fonz would agree for the most part. and maybe replace a daylight for a 660 too that should balance things out a bit.
 
jsamuel24

jsamuel24

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polyarcturus said:
we are all still around except UC and i really wonder where he has been he was a good guy.

if i where to change the layout? hmm i would simply get rid of the 420, or fiji or whatever for a single 660 UVL i think fonz would agree for the most part. and maybe replace a daylight for a 660 too that should balance things out a bit.
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no 660's local, called all morning, and I wont order bulbs cause they allways arrive here broken :/ I do have a coralwave colormax I could replace one of them with, but I thought for veg we wanted that much more blue then red. or does the super Act give enough of the blue?
 
polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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the actinic florasun and the guissman all put of a dom blue spectrum(except the florasun it puts off more red but plenty of blue too.)
 
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