20,000 Watt Medical Grow Op Construction

Looking superb. Great setup man. The pics definitley gave me a better mental image of whats going on. Are the drain buckets empty or do you fill them with hydroton or something similar? For a second there I thought you were doing some double-potting.
 

TheLastWood

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Looking beautiful. I know you will love the coco mix, your growth will explode. I love the shit and have been using it w/o perlite but I'm going to start and expext even better results do to more air to the roots.

I'm also eager to hear about your regular ballasts vs. Digilux. You think it will outwiegh the price diff? I think a digi ballast with digi bulbs would work great butthey boast over 50% more light with the same power n seems a little far fetched. I also believe coil ballasts will last longer. You aren't using co2 are you?

Keep it up man. Can't wait to see the trees your talking about growing.
 

mrduke

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good to see this getting back to the grow. dont get me wrong the last few pages were very informitive and inspiring. But i love shoots of those monster bushes
 

collective gardener

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Looking superb. Great setup man. The pics definitley gave me a better mental image of whats going on. Are the drain buckets empty or do you fill them with hydroton or something similar? For a second there I thought you were doing some double-potting.
Hey...thanks for the nice words. The drain bucketes are empty. You can't see it, but there is an upside down square empty pot in every drain bucket that the planting pot rests on. This keeps the planting pot up and out of the waste water. We have different square pots with different heights, too. This way we can adjust the height of the plant to keep an even canopy.

2 things I have to do before Helper D revolts like a middle east nation: get wheels on every plant, and install a 12" drain tube on every waste bucket that Helper D can just plug the running suction pump into for a few seconds.
 

collective gardener

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Looking beautiful. I know you will love the coco mix, your growth will explode. I love the shit and have been using it w/o perlite but I'm going to start and expext even better results do to more air to the roots.

I'm also eager to hear about your regular ballasts vs. Digilux. You think it will outwiegh the price diff? I think a digi ballast with digi bulbs would work great butthey boast over 50% more light with the same power n seems a little far fetched. I also believe coil ballasts will last longer. You aren't using co2 are you?

Keep it up man. Can't wait to see the trees your talking about growing.
This coco thing is very exiting. I think I already posted that my hydroponics supplier is this Indian dude that supplies all of the coco to all of the coco distributers. Every coco I had tried before was too fine for my liking. Then, Coco Puff Daddy (thats what we call him), shows me this custom coco blend: 30% coarse coco/70% medium/fine. The stuff drains so good you don't even need perlite. I can't believe the water holding capacity, either. Then, there's the price. It works out to about 1/3 of Sunshine#4. I can't believe that I'll be growing in product right out of the bag (or block with the coco). For years I've mixed my own special blend. Even with Sunshine #4 I add perlite and vermiculite. Anyways, the 1 gallon test plants we tried the coco in shot roots out the drain holes in 5 days. That's a record.

I agree with you 100% on the ballasts. A magnetic ballast will probably last longer. I've had one for over 15 years. It's in this room. I use it in every grow for good luck. This ballast has never been busted or robbed. I don't know how long a digital will last. I would imagine that if it were kept cool, it would last quite a while. The Phantoms have a 5 year warranty.

I've never heard claims of 50% more light. It wouldn't suprise me, though. People clain all sorts of crazy stuff. As far as increased light, the Digilux bulb puts out around 155,000 lumens vs 140,000 lumens for a Horti. That's from my own testing, and that's more the bulb than the ballast.

There are 2 reasons I run digital...#1 The noise. Ever heard 20 mag ballasts buzzing away? It will drive you nuts. #2 Versatility. I can change bulbs at will. If I feel like some halide in the bloom room, i just change bulbs. I hate conversion bulbs. They're just cheap ass halides with no real enhanced spectrum.

Right now I'm not running CO2. When and if I seal the room and install the ductless split AC system, I'll put in a burner. To be honest, CO2 is kind of a pain in a perpetual op. The plants do become addicted. You need to isolate both rooms atmosphere from each other to keep the veg at 1200ppm while the bloom is sleeping. If the CO2 levels ever drop to ambiant, growth stops. I speak from lots of experience running CO2. If I have to seal this room, I'll have to run CO2. Otherwise, I'll just keep moving around 3000cfm through the rooms.
 

madcatter

Active Member
This may sound elementary... but big roots lead to big fruits and big ass yeilds come from big ass plants.... so... try vegging them to be monsters, Fim, Lst and big buckets.... 7 gallon or 15 gallon..... lots of tlc and misting and foliar along with regular feed schedule.... this would be a big project but looks like you have the resources... so get up off the porch and run with the big dogs..... Peace Love Happiness
 

TheLastWood

Well-Known Member
Yeah they claim the digi ballasts are 30% brighter and the bulbs are supposed to be 20% brighter. 2 out of my 3 core n coils are switchable hps mh and nowadays they run about 20$ more than the non switches. Ppl say the switchables are bad but there not. Even 30% brightness gain is worth goin digi if you have the money up front. The other cool thing about the digis is the 65' cord option and generator ready feature.

I transplanted from small #6 pots into 3 gallons and saw roots out the drain holes in 2 days!! I also buy packs of zho mychorrize and mix it in with the coco as I break it up from the brick. There only 7$ a pack for the zho and it has more propagules per gram than any other mycs at my local hydro (excluding the overpriced mycs like great white). The zho is supposed to treat 28 plants 2x. I don't ever get that far with it but Its still a great deal. Made by botanicare.
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
Yeah they claim the digi ballasts are 30% brighter and the bulbs are supposed to be 20% brighter. 2 out of my 3 core n coils are switchable hps mh and nowadays they run about 20$ more than the non switches. Ppl say the switchables are bad but there not. Even 30% brightness gain is worth goin digi if you have the money up front. The other cool thing about the digis is the 65' cord option and generator ready feature.

I transplanted from small #6 pots into 3 gallons and saw roots out the drain holes in 2 days!! I also buy packs of zho mychorrize and mix it in with the coco as I break it up from the brick. There only 7$ a pack for the zho and it has more propagules per gram than any other mycs at my local hydro (excluding the overpriced mycs like great white). The zho is supposed to treat 28 plants 2x. I don't ever get that far with it but Its still a great deal. Made by botanicare.
that 30% brighter stuff is Bs dont believe everything you read, most of the time its a smoke screen
 

Wolverine97

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that 30% brighter stuff is Bs dont believe everything you read, most of the time its a smoke screen
Seriously. The lumen output of 1kw hps with a mag ballast is 140,000, with a digital ballast it's 155,000. Not even close to 30%, or even 20 for that matter...
 

adamhew77

Member
Please be careful using generalizations regarding complicated legal matters in a system that's not even fleshed out yet. I would hate for a "couple of buddies to get together" ..."do the paperwork"...and "get a shitload of return on their investment". That "shitload" is exactly what we've been saying here cannot happen.

Keep in mind a "Collective Association" does not require registration of any kind. This is why we chose it as our structure. We have no storefront, but can legally exchange money between members in the "closed loop".
That is exactly what I am a part of. A closed loop is the only safe way. In my mind quality always outweighs quantity. Meaning....I would much rather supply a collective with as much as they can handle and get larger as they do without nearly the same risk as going to several different ones to sell what I think is what it would take to make a "shit load" of money getting wrapped up in some bs.
My personal freedom is worth millions to me.....I know first hand how the later goes down..as I have said before out of 4 dispensaries I have went to 2 have been raided. The one closed loop collective I am a part of is still growing strong... we(the collective) sell for nearly half price of the others...nobody is trying to get rich...just get paid.to do what we.love....ain't that enough
 

adamhew77

Member
It is illegal to sell weed...donations are legal , reasonable compensation is legal...all is really just tolerated but if u try to blow up and get flashy and rich the feds will chop u down..simple fact ....
 

collective gardener

Well-Known Member
This may sound elementary... but big roots lead to big fruits and big ass yeilds come from big ass plants.... so... try vegging them to be monsters, Fim, Lst and big buckets.... 7 gallon or 15 gallon..... lots of tlc and misting and foliar along with regular feed schedule.... this would be a big project but looks like you have the resources... so get up off the porch and run with the big dogs..... Peace Love Happiness
Have you seen my plants? lol. All have been FIM'd...all are tied down and out in every direction to the edge of the 10 gallon pots. The veg period including rooting time is 8 weeks. That's why our veg room has 6 - 1000 watt lights, a T-5, and a dedicated Floro for rooting clones. We have an 8 x 25 flower room with 62 watts/sq ft, and I plan on using every inch of it! With only 45 plants to bloom at a time, they have to be quite large. I even over did it this first batch. I think we may be tossing 4 large plants that aren't going to fit into the bloom room.
 

collective gardener

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good to see this getting back to the grow. dont get me wrong the last few pages were very informitive and inspiring. But i love shoots of those monster bushes

I'm glad to be back in the grow, too. It's so much better than all the legal BS. Leave that to the lawyers. Hell, we pay em enough...let them deal with it.
 

Wolverine97

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Have you seen my plants? lol. All have been FIM'd...all are tied down and out in every direction to the edge of the 10 gallon pots. The veg period including rooting time is 8 weeks. That's why our veg room has 6 - 1000 watt lights, a T-5, and a dedicated Floro for rooting clones. We have an 8 x 25 flower room with 62 watts/sq ft, and I plan on using every inch of it! With only 45 plants to bloom at a time, they have to be quite large. I even over did it this first batch. I think we may be tossing 4 large plants that aren't going to fit into the bloom room.
Bah! You can always make room:)
 

collective gardener

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Seriously. The lumen output of 1kw hps with a mag ballast is 140,000, with a digital ballast it's 155,000. Not even close to 30%, or even 20 for that matter...

I don't even know if there's that big a difference. I know I get 155,000 with a Phantom cooking a Digilux bulb. I get 140,000 with a mag cooking a Horti. I have a brand new 1000 watt Horti. I'll screw it into a Phantom tomorrow and see what it gives me. I've used Mags and Hortis my whole life. If it wasn't for the noise issue, I'd still be using em. Like I said, I have a 15 year old Hydrofarm mag ballast that works great. That bad boy has been in service for 12 of the last 15 years. I really hope these Phantoms can provide that kind of service life, but I doubt they will. Oh, and the energy savings they talk about with a digital is just the energy beyond the wattage rating. In other words, if a 1000 watt mag draws about 1100 watts...and a Phantom 1050 watts, they claim it uses half the power. Kind of misleading, eh?
 

collective gardener

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Bah! You can always make room:)

LOL. That's what Helper D says. The thought of tossing 4 huge plants is killing him. I'm more pragmatic. Hell, I have a couple 600's. Maybe I'll just put each one under its own 600 and see what it can do. I'm not a fan of 600's, but I bought 4 to do my bare bulb hanging test. I just don't have any non topped plants to test with right now. I'll go buy a couple Adjust a Wings and do the 600 thing. It would be interesting to see what they will do. Plus, I LOVE Adjut a Wings.
 
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