1st HID Tent Grow- 600w

Hey is your tap water really alkaline out of the tap?

TaoWolf said:

Hey is your tap water really alkaline out of the tap?

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Its like 7.9

wow, I am having issues!!!! I will re post something I had in another thread....

eyezla said:

Ok so I for sure have some fungus gnats, no big deal, I realize they are relatively harmless, and I plan to control them by getting sand to layer the top of my containers with. BUT, I looked at my soil, and as my eyes adjusted, I saw little critters crawling all over!!!! Like I said, I'm aware that I DO have gnats, and plan to address them tomo, but My levels of flying gnats aren't absurd, however, it looked like there was ALOT of things walking around on my soil surface. little bitty bugs, the super small ones were green, then some red ones that are a little bigger, and then some strait up gnats with wings walking and flying around. They are too big and too fast to be spider mites....I have no idea, my only guess is baby gnats?

Are these other non flying bugs just baby gnats, or another type of insect that i'll need to address?

I"m stumped as to why they are thriving if they are gnats. I just transplanted to new pots that the roots havent filled out yet, so my soil only needs water like every 4-5 days, BUT, the top dries out quickly, which is where they supposedly lay eggs. So the top soil only is moist and optimum for the gnats like once every 5 days...Could they still be thriving deeper below the surface?

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meezy4tw said:

OK so here goes man you're not gonna like my answer about those red and green ones, those ARE root apphids. I had them last batch and ended up scrapping my whole grow.
heres some pics tell me if I'm on the money but I'd say all of these pics contain the bugs you see right?
Note:that last picture of the maggot looking things, those are what fungus gnat larvae look like.

Yes the fungus gnats lay eggs just under the soil surface, but once they hatch, they follow the moisture. I've dealt with them before, and what I did was take some yellow tape, and cover the entire top of the pot around the stem, sticky side down, its the same as the sticky trap strips basically, but if you do it this way, they can't escape at all. Just hanging those strips around doesn't mean that every one of them will get stuck to it, naturally some will get away.
As for those root aphids, you're in a world of hurt in my opinion, especially if you're in soil. Its extremely hard to get any kind of pesticide organic OR Chemical to penetrate the soil that deeply, without causing other problems.
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I am pretty sure that is what I've got....NOOOOOOOOO

anyone got any advice for root aphids????? other than scrapping my whole grow!, lol

eyezla said:

I am pretty sure that is what I've got....NOOOOOOOOO

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Eyezla,

I dont know what to tell you. But this is what I would do.....I would cut your loses now and cull the plants. Because you will probably spend so much time and effort trying to recover them and you might fix it temporary but they will be back. Cull the plants if its that bad and start fresh. Just make sure you do a deep cleaning in everything in your tent and room. I know it sounds crazy and all but thats just my opinion and what I would do. I hope whatever you do it doesnt cost you too much money or time to fix. Good luck brother it seems there are good people your talking with that are helping you solve this matter. Damn that sucks. Hang in there and keep us posted.

Plant them in your backyard or some hidden place outside to see if they ever turn into something. If thats possible.

BKB

mathalion

namaste'

Illumination said:

mathalion

namaste'

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Is that an incecticide? I'll look it up.

Perfect timing for this to happen. All grow shops are closed till the 26th, so I can't buy anything for 3 days!! luckily a friend gave me a bottle of azatrol. I watered today, 2tsp/gal h2o, plus cannazym and rhizotonic for the roots. I'm told to treat 3 times at 7 day intervals. Hopefully this does SOMETHING. I'm about to leave my house for a few days to visit my folks, so I wont be able to see the plants till sunday.....looks like I'll be anticipating my own update

So, its been a few days. The Azatrol seemed to knock them back a little, I am now going to try a soil drench with a product called SNS 203, its supposedly geared toward root aphids, fungus gnats, and thrips etc. My 3rd application will be of some stuff recommended to me called Spectacide. I will post new pics soon, the plants look really good actually despite the bugs on the soil

Spectacide=mathalion=problems gone

Namaste'

eyezla said:

So, its been a few days. The Azatrol seemed to knock them back a little, I am now going to try a soil drench with a product called SNS 203, its supposedly geared toward root aphids, fungus gnats, and thrips etc. My 3rd application will be of some stuff recommended to me called Spectacide. I will post new pics soon, the plants look really good actually despite the bugs on the soil

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Thats real good to hear I hope it all works out bro! Hope you had a good xmas too!!!

BKB

Ok, quick update, tho nothing crazy new, still just upset about these little bastids. I have hit them 2x so far, with 2 diff pesticides, gonna try for that spectracide next, and after that application. I was told to put some stuff called tanglefoot in the base of my stalk and the rim of my containers, cause when I use that spectracide, they'll climb out of all the open holes, and that stuff with cut the aphids off at the pass....I dont know where to find that stuff tho. has anyone ever heard of that product and know who carries it? like home depot or somewhere like that?

Wow... ok I am the noobiest of all noobies lol... ran across your thread looking up mites... way to keep me in suspense! LOL! But now I think I have pot hypochondria and my plants have everything! LOL! Started with one tiny lil GDP clone last June when I finally had some light outside, with no planning and flying by the seat of my pants, and she was a gorgeous beauty of a Grand Daddy Purple sweetheart! lol! I showed her much love and she showed me much in return, prob close to a qtr lb worth of the sweetest most juicy lamborgini love everrrr... lol... I just wish I had many little friends alongside her!! Sooo, I tired my hand at clones, and got 10 successful ones out of about 20 tries, under a single CFL and a dome lol... but then I planted them outside, cuz I had no lights lol... 2 to a 3 gal pot, with momma who was in a 5 gal pot, and they all budded whith momma, wayyyy toooo early, in August! LOL! Cute lil things, but just wayyy too tiny, like around 3 inches tall! LOL! Soooo... I moved them all inside on Labor Day, transplanted them, six of them to just one per 3 gal pot, four to 6 inch square pots, in a 4x2' space with just a single bulb T5... LOL I told u I was just flying by the seat of my pants... LOL! I soon added another T5, but those poor babies had no clue what to do, as I was trying to re-veg them from full-on ripe buds in 12 hours of sunshine to 18 hours on T5s plus transplantting all at the same time! OMG! lol they sat there for a good month doing NOTHING, except the poor luscious buds shrivelling up and drying out before my very eyes... lol... then they started growing CRAZY as all get out, gnarly and twisted lil green balls that looked nothing like a pot plant... LOL... they looked like they were very stoned plants indeed... lol... I got a ton of pics around here but I need to sort thru them all before I can post some... I have been very very busy... lol... then after a bit, the flowers started looking like they had balls on them! LOL omg! I had heard about how u can't clone a clone and all that bs, and how they can hermaprhodite, and you should just get rid of your crop! Well I was not about to do that, so I just cut them balls right off, yep I castrated them, hehehe... lol... then they finally started getting shoots on them, that actually looked like pot plants... lmao... but the bud formations were still there, and still all crystaly and gooey and yummy looking... lol... so I decided to cut all that off and dry it out and smoke it, which was quite yummy lol... while I was cutting, I went cut happy as well, like u said, I woulda just thrown it away, so I tried my hand at cloning again, but it ended up completely outta hand, and I was sitting there looking at 60 happy little grandchildren of my mommy grandaddy purple... OMG LOL!!!! ... All of COURSE by the seat of my pants again, with absolutely no plan of how I was going to care for my ever-expanding family... lolol... (btw, to clone all I do is scrape with my teeth and dip in Roottone... lol... by the end you come to almost like that bitter green flavor of pot stem juice... LOL) Sooo... Here I was a short 3 months after I had gotten my first perfect little GDP clone, sitting with waayyyyy too many little babies, amazed at how my life has changed since June... LOL! Sooo... I went and got me another T5, then another... lol... and watched my little green project... hehe...

BUT alas, with a bigger family, come bigger worries... lol... Toward the end of September, I went off camping for a few days, and when I got back, I noticed a bunch of leaves on my bigger 10 were totally dried out on the plant! I researched what I could, and removed all the dry growth, and they seemed to be ok for a while, but then started getting white spots on the leaves, which I thought was because I had decided to foliar feed them and then had lights on them, grrr... I originally thought mites, but then changed my mind as I read... maybe it was just wishful thinking / denial lol... but then I checked with my microscope and saw the nasty little guys... omg I was so disgusted!! Again the advice I got was to deystroy the crop! (Actually, it was to go out and set them on the curb by the garbage and walk away LOL)... That was still not an option for me! lol... So I sprayed them and removed leaves as they dried out and yellowed... (but now that I read your thread I think this was probably nute lockout!) A "friend" was going to help build a bubble around them and get some praying mantis or lady bugs, so I was kind of relying on that, but he flaked on me BIG TIME grrr! So, in the meantime, my 10 bigger babies, that I started flower on Nov. 15, that had been cloned on July 17 LOL 4 months earlier, started deteriorating quickly one by one, and its been a race to the harvest before my precious babies give up! I've lost/harvested in frustration 7 out of the 10 so far... the first 3 together was maybe an eighth oz! You can imagine after how successful my first grow was how broken hearted I was! lol! Right now, I've got 3 of those 10 left... one of which looks like I will have to harvest tonight or tommarrow before it starts degrading too much... but smells absolutely FANTASTIC yummm... and the buds at least have some substance to them not just hairs... the other two are looking and smelling mighty fine, but I must add, I have removed almost ALL the fan leaves at this point because of the damage to them and my attempt do get rid of what I think are the mites although I can't see them on the leaves anymore with my microscope! Hmm The more I think about it its' prob a nute prob as well lol... Oh well it's all a learning expierience!

Meanwhile, back on the pot farm... lol... My other babies down the hall are growing profusely... lol... I dropped the tray a couple times, my cats got them, my lights burned them, etc. lol... prob lost about 10 on the way due to these but no biggie... plus I packed them all up at one point and drove them all across town because somebody said they wanted them, but then when I got there turns out they had gone somewhere else already! BURNN! Hey now that i think about it, its that same "friend" that FLAKED, WTF!! lol... Anyway, here I am 6 months after my first baby being overrun by babies lol... Them Grandaddys like lots of Grandkids I guess! LOL! So, my third generation GDP are going into flower now lol, they are 18 inches tall and in 4 inch pots... under 2 T5 lights... LOLOLOL!!!! I just got some AzaMax to spray and drench them with, as I am seeing a couple white spots on them as well, but they look WAY healthier than the bigger 10 did... I must be learning something lol... Wish me luck, my fellow stoners! This has to be the most funky grow setup ever lol, dont' follow me folks! Hahaha! I know I need better lights but I'm really planning on just growing more outside this summer since I did so well with mother nature except for the damn green worms which I found out were from the oh soooo pretty white butterflies I watched land and play on them all summer... oh yeah and moved INSIDE as well lol and were CHOMPING down my lucisous buds on both momas and babies, OMG ughh! lol! But hey any tips any of you wish to throw my way or direct me too would be most appreciated! And sorry if I intruded on your thread here eyezla, I did not know I was gonna babble so much, and will probably repost this to my own thread and start my own grow journal there with pics n stuff... but you inspired me to post and I enjoyed reading yours and look forward to harvest time as we discover this green garden of goodness together... lol... Best of luck and happy toking!

Ok lol I just posted a couple hundred pics on my profile lol... most of my probs are in the Grandaddy "Second Generation" album, if anybody cares to take a look and see if these are the same problems or what you are having... I am perplexed...

Oh yeah and I have a bunch of those pesky gnats too... hoping the AzaMax takes care of those as well...

Sorry for the long delay peeps....I have been battling these god damn aphids so there really hasnt been much new stuff going on, just a series of pest managment tactics. I did the azatrol soil drench, then foliar spray of azatrol, then a SNS soil drench, followed by another foliar azatrol. Now my leaves are yellowing so I think I should give them some nutes instead of just pesticides (tho I have still been watering with cannazyme and rhizotonic with all these pesticides). My next plan is to use the Spectracide, and I am assuming that will be the last thing I do, and then I am fucking FINALLY going to flower.

My current dilema....Should I flush the plants, feed nutes, or do my last soil drench? I am going to want to flush after my spectracide drench anyway, but I don't want to postpone feeding nutrients either, ah decisions decisions? What would you do peeps!?

Again, sorry for my delay, I'll admit I got frustrated and lost some excitement since this has been such an uphill battle, but I haven't given up or lost hope....NYE just threw me off my game for a bit too, haha. So I am back with full vengance on these damn root aphids, sorry I fell off for a moment my fellow cultivating friends

ps- sweetbud, I have been too busy to read your post, but I will, promise

If you want some cheap, yet still good lighting, walmart actually sells an under cabinet flourescent with a 24 inch bulb. Puts off no heat and I have one in every corner and in the floor between cubes. No lighting problems as of yet. Oh yeah, THEY'RE TEN BUCKS!!!

I guess I shouldve stated they're just secondary, supplemental lighting.

eyezla said:

Sorry for the long delay peeps....I have been battling these god damn aphids so there really hasnt been much new stuff going on, just a series of pest managment tactics. I did the azatrol soil drench, then foliar spray of azatrol, then a SNS soil drench, followed by another foliar azatrol. Now my leaves are yellowing so I think I should give them some nutes instead of just pesticides (tho I have still been watering with cannazyme and rhizotonic with all these pesticides). My next plan is to use the Spectracide, and I am assuming that will be the last thing I do, and then I am fucking FINALLY going to flower.

My current dilema....Should I flush the plants, feed nutes, or do my last soil drench? I am going to want to flush after my spectracide drench anyway, but I don't want to postpone feeding nutrients either, ah decisions decisions? What would you do peeps!?

Again, sorry for my delay, I'll admit I got frustrated and lost some excitement since this has been such an uphill battle, but I haven't given up or lost hope....NYE just threw me off my game for a bit too, haha. So I am back with full vengance on these damn root aphids, sorry I fell off for a moment my fellow cultivating friends

ps- sweetbud, I have been too busy to read your post, but I will, promise

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feed 'em and spectacide and be done with it...think I said that already

Namaste'

Good journal, just read all 14 pages. Sub'd.

I plan on growing in a same size tent, the Secret Jardin (although with 1000wt MH/HPS). Not sure if I'll grow four decently sized plants like yours or a dozen smaller ones...also this will be my first time. It sucks dude tho that you got a bunch of root rapers, I hope you flip that shit around!!

You should look into Orgonite for plant growth stimulation. People are growing tomato plants twice the actual size. PhD. William Reich said all plants thrives on positive orgone energy, while negative orgone does the opposite. This method is growing like a blazing wildfire in Africa in the farmer and fishing culture, droughts have been successfully ended, and the fruit production is three-fold. The business of orgonite over there is actually threatening the fertilizer companies. I have yet to see this work with cannabis, but if the tomato plant is of any indication, then why not? Farmers say that one piece per 15 square meters is a good start. I plan on burying one in each of my pots, although I won't do a side-by-side comparison as time is short for me right now, I just know it will work anyways from all the other comparisons I've seen.

Here's a couple articles on it:
http://www.forteantimes.com/features/fbi/3223/the_orgonite_experiment.html
http://www.pressdispensary.co.uk/feed/992156.php ... and some side-by-side comparisons

http://i40.tinypic.com/11l6812.png - "The enhanced tomato plant is getting massive and I will have to re-pot soon."
http://i43.tinypic.com/imjlvm.png - "With the chilli plants I noted that as well as being larger, the foliage was much more dense than the controls."


Sorry about going too far off-topic I just realized, but your plants look really good and is pretty much the same setup I will have bro. +rep