1BMM's CAVE....

Im not an expert on the matter by any means las but i did get to hear some concerns from some cali friends and they where quite wary of the passing. I do belive it was suppose to make it legit on a recreational level but "they" the lawmakers would certainly push new agenda to fix some of what other states view as an already flawed system with prop 215 which is what people are comfortable with. It gives the home grower the power and freedom. It really just boils down to politics. I for one am all for legalization I just dont want to see only select entities being the only people privledged to do the growing. Maybe my views are a bit scewed? hahaha

na bro ur entitled 2 ur opinion mate i also myself think it should be leaglised over here also

f++k me ur educating me 2nite aint ya bro. didnt know a thing about any of this, kinda sheltered away from it all over here. only knew calli was a legal state till i came on here and that wasnt from the news lol.

Well i keep an ear to the ground ya know las. I just dont trust my gov state or federal so I like to see whats up in the cannabis world and i read alot. We are getting closer though no doubt.

i hope so bro, i hope so

have a good one mate

I tend to read a lot on the subject too but I live in California so the Nov vote would've directly impacted my situation. Even though I didn't agree with a lot of what was written in the legislature I voted for legalization thinking that it could help a lot of people that currently aren't helped by Prop 215. It could've definitely put a lot of money into the hands of the non-deserving though and would've definitely hurt the street dealers but overall it seemed to me like the right thing to do. You have to realize that we need to start somewhere, you know? Again, I don't agree with how the bill was written and think there could've been a lot of negative to come out of it and am very hopeful for 2012. I just think there could possibly have been a lot of good to come from passing it too and it would've been a step in the right direction.

Hopefully the next time around there won't be so much political influence on what we get to vote on and it will help the average Joe more than the already deep corporate pockets. There were a bunch of people that stood to get very rich off of it passing and I'm glad that didn't happen because it would just have made the corruption surrounding cannabis that much worse.

What I think would have been hilarious is if it had passed and these giant super grow ops were put into operation only to be siezed by the feds. That shit would be just way too funny to watch. There'd be millions lost by these greedy bastards looking to capitalize on something that should befree in the first place. It's a fucking plant and can grow just fine all on it's own in nature. Why should anyone have to pay for it?

Just my .02
Hope you guys are good tonight...

This is why I've decided I'm opposed to the medical marijuana movement in toto. Why? Marijuana should be completely legal. It shouldn't be regulated at all. It is a plant, not a manufactured product or isolate or synthesis. By pushing medical marijuana reform, activists are pushing the plant into the hands of Big Pharma and government. After all, if it's a drug, it needs to be regulated by the FDA, the NIH, etc. so where does that leave home growers? Outlaws, of course. And the penalties will go up, not down. I see all this talk on here of this strain being good for that ailment or some specific pain. Well, pharma will PATENT strains! Genetically modified plants will be knocking at the door before you know it.

Sorry, not well thought out, but I had to add my rant.

I have come to believe that the only way we will ever liberate marijuana is grow more. We are doing our part, but always have in mi

1badmasonman said:

yeah i hear ya las. I think there is a bit of fear there aswell on behalf of the powers that be and the "people/corporations" who stand to make tramendous profits, that people wont be pumping billions into state of federal coffers if they are not spending money on there medicine and instead home producing. They want to get ALL the profit and outlaw cannabis growing except to a handful of entities and make the loley home growe more like a bootlegger or moonshiner which is still highly illegal on state and federal levels. I think many people in california had this fear as prop 19 was on the brink of passing. Im not choosing sides but i see the argument. The people would like to see the herb in the hands of the people and not corporate greed. Just my 3rd eyes observation.

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Good point Dez we do have to start somewhere. I kinda like marc emery's approach ( over grow the goverment ) absoulutely flood the earth with pot so theres no choice but to except it. Id like to see them regulate that lol. Imagine if every person who supported weed legalization went out and planted some seeds this country would be 60-80 covered in MJ. They say close to 80% of the population supports decriminalizing mj. Regardeless the greed balls are going to get there greedy hands in some how. Wheres a good assassin when ya need one heheh.

I totally Agree Shnkrmn, Fuck the goverment regulation and fuck the drug companies. I cant even tell you how sick i am of hearing these rediculous drug commercials. Ive actually gave up watchin TV as a result.

The GMO thing is a scary reality man. They already went to fucking with corn and tomato genetics god knows how many others plants and animals. Its like slapping god in the face and saying, hey dumb fuck this is how ya should have made the corn dumb ass. This is how the tomato should have been designed ya dumbskie. This chicken should not have bones what the hell are you thinking god. Now they actually allow that shit and that is sad very sad. Not to mention the shit like growth hormones they add in. Just makes me fucking sick

Does anyone else ever get utterly sick of the lies?

To the bone Badman, to the bone.

@ 1BMM - I agree with you completely.

@ DST - sweet referrence.

This is for 1BMM:
That little ozone gen you're running looks similar to what the daycare lady was using and I'm curious about the claims of them killing plants. Do you think I'd be allright running mine in the room? I have it in the exhaust right now but the air moves passed it too fast for it to catch everything.
I'll be installing AC today and will be runing co2 in a few days too so I was thinking of trying to just seal up the intake and exhaust vents to contain the stink and then run my filter as a scrubber. If I do this, it won't make much sense to run the ozone gen the way I have it and I don't think the CAN 33 is going to be able to keep up with the funk being generated by the plants.

Here's the ozone gen she was using around the kids:

It's either that or I leave everything how it is but still add the AC. After noticing stink outside of the garage I changed things around a bit by adding my filter to the exhaust. The problem it created was the heat wasn't getting pulled from the room fast enough and the temps have gone up. This is why I traded for the AC units. The co2 was just too good of a deal to pass up, otherwise I wouldn't even have thought about running co2.

The other problem created by doing this was there's now no filter at my house for the veg room and we can smell the plants inside my house.

LOL thanks DST lol.

Dez that does look like the same ozone i use. It can kill plants and ive noticed some signs of wear on my ladies. Im running mine in the cave right now on med low and i can still smell ganja if i leave the house and come back in. Im going to have to turn it up a lil more. You do gotta be careful with it though dez. That o-zone can be a health hazard to you in high concentrations. That particular gen can handle some huge volumes of stink, Im talking an area of 1500 - 2000 sq/ft. I have mine sitting up high in the room as ozone is heavier than oxagen. I suggest starting on the lowest setting, let it run for a day and see how that goes. If you can still smell the ganja bump it up a knotch each day till you get the smell down. I should follow my own advice hahah. My crib wreaks lol.

I don't use that one, it's the one the daycare lady was running in the playroom before her husband cut the cord off.

Mine is an Air Lazer and it's not adjustable but says it's meant for areas of up to 3000 sq/ft. I'm well aware that it'snot good to breathe which is why I currently have it feeding into the exhaust duct. Right now my room has a passive intake that is a handfull of 4" ducts since that what size flanges I had lying around and the exhaust is a blower fan that is supposed to push 500-600CFM that's mounted inside a box I built for it. There's a duct running from the box to the filter (CAN 33) so the fan is pulling air in through the filter, through the box and then out of the garage via a 6" duct. The Air Lazer is sitting on top of the box with a tube running into the box. This setup is keeping the odor from exiting the garage but it's not cooling well enough so I got some AC units.

I was thinking of running co2 but the more I think about it, the more I like the idea of keeping things how they are but use the AC too to keep temps where I want them.
What do you think?

I was just over there setting up the AC and it stunk inside the garage really bad but in the house there's no smell and nothing outside. I've been leaving the door open and one of the zippers up with a fan sitting on a bucket in the doorway to pull in more cool air since it was getting warm in there. I think if I keep the door and curtain closed the odor might stay in the room and the AC should be able to keep the room cool.

I've got two units with one being 8000BTU and the other is 15000BTU. I set up the small one for now but when summer comes I'll mount the other one where this one is and mount this one above it. I have a lead/lag controller that was gifted to me and I'll hook them up to it so they switch off betwen each other. That way if one fails, the room will only be without AC for a day at the most and then the other will kick on. There's a high temp alert that can be set up too so I'll know when I go over there if one unit has failed because there will be a light on telling me the temps exceeded the desired range.

1badmasonman said:

Good point Dez we do have to start somewhere. I kinda like marc emery's approach ( over grow the goverment ) absoulutely flood the earth with pot so theres no choice but to except it. Id like to see them regulate that lol. Imagine if every person who supported weed legalization went out and planted some seeds this country would be 60-80 covered in MJ. They say close to 80% of the population supports decriminalizing mj. Regardeless the greed balls are going to get there greedy hands in some how. Wheres a good assassin when ya need one heheh.

I totally Agree Shnkrmn, Fuck the goverment regulation and fuck the drug companies. I cant even tell you how sick i am of hearing these rediculous drug commercials. Ive actually gave up watchin TV as a result.

The GMO thing is a scary reality man. They already went to fucking with corn and tomato genetics god knows how many others plants and animals. Its like slapping god in the face and saying, hey dumb fuck this is how ya should have made the corn dumb ass. This is how the tomato should have been designed ya dumbskie. This chicken should not have bones what the hell are you thinking god. Now they actually allow that shit and that is sad very sad. Not to mention the shit like growth hormones they add in. Just makes me fucking sick

Does anyone else ever get utterly sick of the lies?

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amen dude
Smoking ads are banned now. They should ban drug commercials and ads too. How much is that jacking up health care costs? People watch that shit and wanna get sick so they can go ask their doctors about the new hip drug that cures cancer. bah!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the visits all. Its a bit of a sad day for me as i found spider mites for the first time ever lastnight in the cave. Ive talked to a few elder riuers and have takin some steps to rid them. I do believe ive discovered them early and they are laying eggs like a mother fucker. To battle them ive put in 2 hot shot no pest strips. Im going to add a 3rd and then going to foliar spray with something lol. Got to go look again at the garden center. Day 46 flower the TW's are nearly finished maybe another week yet. the Dogs need atleast 2 weeks yet so hopefully these pest strips do the trick till harvest. After that the cave will be completely dismantled bug bombed and left alone for good. I do have another room that i plan on growing just a couple of plants in spidermite free. Ill let yall know how things progress. Peace 1BMM

I recently wiped down the walls in what was the vertical room and then bombed it. I sprayed the walls with an organic pesticide and then stuck my plants in there to veg. It cuts down the reflectivity of the mylar but I don't care right now. I just don't want any more bugs!!!

Pesky pests...I am dragging my girls by the arse through this grow as well 1BMM...I went away for 4 days, come back and mites!! grrr. I am sure my mate planted them while I was away,, haha, just call me Para Pete. lol.

Ahh ahahah your mate had a hidden plot to infest you with spider mites lol. Too funny D. Well i have been trying to stay out of the cave as the pest strips are said to be somewhat toxic. I did peak in for a few minutes lastnight while the lights where on and saw some webs on a few plants. I added a 3rd pest srtip under the canopy while i was in there. God i hope that alone does the trick. I did pick up this shit at lowes call Natria insect disease and mite control in a spary bottle. It says it kills spider mites and is safe to use up till harvest. Im assuming that is on vegatable that can be washed off before consumption which cannot be done on a bud. I really dont want to spay my buds with poisen especially this close to harvest. I think ill get the vacumn after the lil bastards today and suck the fuckers off the plants as best as i can.


On another much happier note ive picked up a shit load of masonry work yesterday. Im looking at quite possibly the busiest year ive had in 10 years and im quite excited about that. Some people are content with doing nothing in life but me i feel guilty or worthless if im not
working busting my back haha. Winters nearly over the snow is melting. Im still planning a few guerilla patches and recently found an ideal spot. Its a good 2 mile hike in plenty of southern exposure and a fresh water source. Its going to be a fun one lol.

Off to work peace 1BMM

Mites suck!! hope you get it worked out bro.
Looking good either way bro, hang in there.
Damn, I wish I could do an outdoor grow......not happening in my neck of the woods though......