11/9 the day legal pot died

cat of curiosity

cat of curiosity

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Fogdog said:
Dude, I have never quoted you or roseypeach. I don't think I've even replied to your posts. For most of this year, I've had you on my ignore list because I think you are shit stupid.
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you thought like nelly. nelly was wrong, and so are you. i'll compare IQ anytime you'd like bud. i graduated at fifteen, joined the navy on my seventeenth birthday, and went to college the year prior. stupid? lol

Fogdog said:
Thanks for agreeing with me about the pitfall of making MJ schedule 2.
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i've been trying to tell you guys for nine months, this is what she said, and this is the plan. you want legal? don't 'BE WITH HER'... and that's about it. i want to be legal and comfortable in my home, that i've worked to keep for all these years. to degrade me, a veteran, american, hard-working middle-class white man, is un-american, and 'deplorable'.

other than that, i like you. glad the election is over, maybe we can start liking each other's posts now or something...
 
cat of curiosity

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Antidisestablishmentarian said:
So if it's completely illegal now and we have med pot and rec pot, how in the hell will this stop it?

It's apparent the states haven't cared about it being schedule one. I can't see that that would change.
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it's STILL ILLEGAL FEDERALLY, meaning states are fucked if dea want's to run and gun. schedule two means no more dispensaries, no more home grown, no more gifting, no more hash.... just marlboro marijuanettes...
 
cat of curiosity

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NLXSK1 said:
The first letter of that acronym stands for food. Cookies are not a food??
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they are. marijuana is not. your marijuana compounds will need to meet fda requirements before and after butter is made and before and after cookies are made, and the department of health and environmental control will have to grade and approve/disapprove your kitchen for baking.

then your packaging game will have to be inspected, graded, and passed. and oh, guess what? you aren't fda approved, bc pot must be lab produced and meet x requirements before being extracted into usable oils for fda approved purposes...
 
NLXSK1

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cat of curiosity said:
they are. marijuana is not. your marijuana compounds will need to meet fda requirements before and after butter is made and before and after cookies are made, and the department of health and environmental control will have to grade and approve/disapprove your kitchen for baking.

then your packaging game will have to be inspected, graded, and passed. and oh, guess what? you aren't fda approved, bc pot must be lab produced and meet x requirements before being extracted into usable oils for fda approved purposes...
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Since you have to ingest 1500 pounds of it to kill yourself maybe they can just deschedule it... I know, pipe dream....
 
desert dude

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Fogdog said:
Paid $50 for seed. A little, maybe $5 for organic soil amendment. Yield was between 6-7 pounds from my legal four (OR). If you have dependable high quality seed already and a nice garden bed already prepared, you can do much better than I did.

If pot goes to schedule 2, and FDA treats MJ like other schedule 2 crops like opium poppy. No more open grows, back to the grow cabinet. No more $5/pound home grown.
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I have not followed the news on this. Where is this speculation about movement to schedule 2 coming from?

Why would schedule 2 placement have the effect you predict, when schedule 1 is a MUCH tighter control, i.e. why aren't your predictions already playing out?
 
Fogdog

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cat of curiosity said:
it's STILL ILLEGAL FEDERALLY, meaning states are fucked if dea want's to run and gun. schedule two means no more dispensaries, no more home grown, no more gifting, no more hash.... just marlboro marijuanettes...
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This I agree with. MJ will not be legal until it is at the federal level.

I think it is good that Oregon and now CA and a few other states have legalized rec. and commercial growing. It won't take long before other states follow suit. Which is why now is a good time to bring the level of understanding higher. There is quite a bit of risk that the drug companies take over when they see the market going away from them. Congress is entirely in the lap of big pharma too. I don't think Trump gives a shit one way or the other. He's going to let Congress do the dirty work on this. IMO.

Who in hell is nelly? You are a strange cat.
 
Fogdog

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desert dude said:
I have not followed the news on this. Where is this speculation about movement to schedule 2 coming from?

Why would schedule 2 placement have the effect you predict, when schedule 1 is a MUCH tighter control, i.e. why aren't your predictions already playing out?
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There are people who know a lot more about this than I do. It seems to be an old quagmire on RIU. I can't separate the bullshit from the paranoia from the ignorance from the honest truth. I've even been called ignorant (which is true) then given the wrong information by my lecturer. LOL

http://www.thecannabist.co/2016/06/27/rescheduling-marijuana-schedule-ii-cannabis/56769/

There is a risk but I have no idea how much is hyperbole and how much should be taken seriously. For myself, I've always been concerned about the legs of the state by state movement when the fed is so clearly hard line about MJ. My needs are met for a long while regardless of what happens. I put this in the "interested observer" category. Also will help if something actionable is suggested.
 
cat of curiosity

cat of curiosity

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Fogdog said:
This I agree with. MJ will not be legal until it is at the federal level.

I think it is good that Oregon and now CA and a few other states have legalized rec. and commercial growing. It won't take long before other states follow suit. Which is why now is a good time to bring the level of understanding higher. There is quite a bit of risk that the drug companies take over when they see the market going away from them. Congress is entirely in the lap of big pharma too. I don't think Trump gives a shit one way or the other. He's going to let Congress do the dirty work on this. IMO.

Who in hell is nelly? You are a strange cat.
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nelly is the girl who thought her poop didn't stink. old saying in the midwest.

i agree completely. that is why i voted to block the fda (clinton) and choose the typical american bastard (trump) so that we have a few more years to show that this is not only safe, but profitable! fuck tax hikes, legalize pots and lets sell it openly.

that is what i voted for. that and a hope russia doesn't pull the first trigger. hillary really pissed him off, and he has new toys (satan II). i'm rural, so fallout would be my concern, but i don't want to see any of you hurt either...
 
cat of curiosity

cat of curiosity

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desert dude said:
I have not followed the news on this. Where is this speculation about movement to schedule 2 coming from?

Why would schedule 2 placement have the effect you predict, when schedule 1 is a MUCH tighter control, i.e. why aren't your predictions already playing out?
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schedule two has medical value, and the fda is in charge of that...
 
cat of curiosity

cat of curiosity

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Fogdog said:
There are people who know a lot more about this than I do. It seems to be an old quagmire on RIU. I can't separate the bullshit from the paranoia from the ignorance from the honest truth. I've even been called ignorant (which is true) then given the wrong information by my lecturer. LOL

http://www.thecannabist.co/2016/06/27/rescheduling-marijuana-schedule-ii-cannabis/56769/

There is a risk but I have no idea how much is hyperbole and how much should be taken seriously. For myself, I've always been concerned about the legs of the state by state movement when the fed is so clearly hard line about MJ. My needs are met for a long while regardless of what happens. I put this in the "interested observer" category. Also will help if something actionable is suggested.
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you couldn't even chew willow bark legally without fda approval, though it's been used as a fever reducer and pain reliever for thousands of years. willow bark is what aspirin is made from...
 
curious2garden

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dandyrandy said:
Rescheduling to II will kill legal.
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It is Schedule 1 now in CA and we just passed Prop. 64 making it legal, in state, to manufacture and distribute. So please explain how rescheduling to a LESS restrictive architecture will affect us?

Obviously the DEA can come and start busting all of us at anytime, anywhere as cannabis is technically illegal but please someone explain the logic on how scheduling changes this. Don't just state your assertions. Give me the logical breakdown. On how changing to a lesser restrictive schedule makes legalization any different than it is now?
 
desert dude

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cat of curiosity said:
schedule two has medical value, and the fda is in charge of that...
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Yeah, but it is the DEA that has the guns, flash-bang grenades and tanks. Why would FDA be any worse? I am not trolling you, I really don't understand why schedule II is worse than schedule I.

The rational choice would be to get the feds ENTIRELY out of cannabis control. Constitutionally, it ought to be a state issue to start with.
 
curious2garden

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desert dude said:
Yeah, but it is the DEA that has the guns, flash-bang grenades and tanks. Why would FDA be any worse? I am not trolling you, I really don't understand why schedule II is worse than schedule I.

The rational choice would be to get the feds ENTIRELY out of cannabis control. Constitutionally, it ought to be a state issue to start with.
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FDA recommends scheduling but the DEA decides and enforces. Essentially the states are side lining the feds. With CO and CA legal it's to big to stop now. Just watch. Once CA has a taste of the revenue ..............

1/2 of the states have medical now and with Sativex finishing Stage 3 clinical trials it will be re-scheduled. That will not stop recreational pot. We still use etoh in medicine LOL. Further Marinol/Dronabinol is a schedule III so why would they make the full plant extract a II?

This fear mongering is very sad.
 
cat of curiosity

cat of curiosity

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desert dude said:
Yeah, but it is the DEA that has the guns, flash-bang grenades and tanks. Why would FDA be any worse? I am not trolling you, I really don't understand why schedule II is worse than schedule I.

The rational choice would be to get the feds ENTIRELY out of cannabis control. Constitutionally, it ought to be a state issue to start with.
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yes, DESCHEDULE!!!

schedule two means it can be used, but only pharma can produce, package, and distribute it through doctors. so NO GROWING, SMOKING OR INDIVIDUAL PRODUCTION.

is that not a big deal? you can't grow tobacco, you have to buy it. you can't make alcohol, you have to buy it. is that what you want with pot? to limit to a handful of fda approved strains and all else is destroyed, with the dea to enforce it?
 
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