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  1. undertheice

    Deficit Deal will Kill Jobs

    no, what you hate is the successful capitalist. what you're feeling is called envy, an emotion i don't doubt you are quite familiar with.
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    Will you vote for Obama in 2012?

    bend the will of government to a single class? how is this any better than the undue influence of any other class? that more benefit from the corruption of the rule of law is certainly no excuse. it is the basic tenets upon which this country was built to which our government owes its...
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    For The "Liberals" In The Forum ...

    it is the charity of the people themselves, what they willingly give of themselves, that is the ultimate measure of a nation. what its government does with the funds wrung from the people is a sorry way to judge the ethos of any society. you say we have not done enough, but there will never be...
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    For The "Liberals" In The Forum ...

    so you feel the need to judge a people, but merely to credit their government? it was the desire of the people for clean water that urged its suppliers to "clean up their act", all that government could do was use its force to penalize those who lagged behind. our cars do not erupt in flames...
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    For The "Liberals" In The Forum ...

    but there is a platform that is distinctly "liberal" in nature. it may be stereotypical, but it is the loudest of the left's voices. it consists mainly of a redistributionist, statist policy. the concept is embraced that our rights flow from the state, that they are not merely protected by...
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    For The "Liberals" In The Forum ...

    it seems people need something to worship. the religious worship their gods, the statists worship their governments, narcissists worship themselves and individualists worship their freedoms. i sometimes think that the reason there are as few christian liberals as there are is the first...
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    For The "Liberals" In The Forum ...

    this one post contains some of the most stunning examples of the illogical and perverse nature of modern liberalism we will ever see. it starts, innocently enough, by stating the obvious, that no issue is truly a matter of black and white. it's a truism we have all come to terms with, but the...
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    For The "Liberals" In The Forum ...

    now you've got it, the cycle is complete. another perfect example of useless liberal giveaways by that oh so compassionate government you are so eager to embrace. i don't suppose any of you care who it is that pays for it all or of what use these entitlements actually are, as long as...
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    U.S. Government : Chicken Shit Wealthy Screwing everyone or Patriots?

    i think it was a politician who said, "if you keep on ignoring the consequences of your actions, they will eventually be blamed on someone else."
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    For The "Liberals" In The Forum ...

    i had hoped your post was facetious. considering your posting history, i probably should have realized just how close to the truth it actually was. the whole president for life thing and the mandated defecation schedules go right along with your demand to be led by the nose in every facet of...
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    The Epitome Of Arrogance

    "we're paid to worry about it", isn't this just about the most self-serving quote from any politician in recent memory? that "we" is the culmination of over two centuries of the perversion of the concept of the citizen representative. our politicians no longer consider themselves as a part of...
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    For The "Liberals" In The Forum ...

    you do understand the meaning of the word and its origin, don't you. it is, quite literally, no place. it is the final destination that is never reached. it is the culmination of all our plans and dreams, the desired conclusion of our chosen philosophies and ideologies. occasionally...
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    U.S. Government : Chicken Shit Wealthy Screwing everyone or Patriots?

    so i think we can all agree that ernst has given us yet another screwed up poll, with little or no chance of any useful information being gleaned from the answers provided. this is, however, a wonderful chance for those with such a bent to vent their frustrations at the very idea of privilege...
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    For The "Liberals" In The Forum ...

    so we are five pages into this thread and not a single one of our liberal lights have deigned to honor us with an answer to the original question. we have been given the dictionary definition of the word, but no one seems to know what they stand for. we have seen blame shifting and a round of...
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    For The "Liberals" In The Forum ...

    nope, you are now classified as a conservative or possibly, dare we even speak its name, a libertarian. liberalism is now a statist's game.
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    For The "Liberals" In The Forum ...

    well i guess this definition means all those liberals aren't really all that liberal. i think we can pretty much ignore c and d, they merely state that a liberal is a liberal because of his liberalism. so i guess we should concentrate on a and b. not limited by traditional or...
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    A Note Of Appreciation From The Rich

    there are few things more pitiful than an expression of jealousy and this is certainly no exception. replete with claims of greed and and bigotry, it is a near perfect example of the high art of self-professed victimhood. that it is sheer hypocrisy is undoubtedly lost on its author. after...
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    Debt ceiling talks: Whose fault?

    quite to the contrary, this place is teeming with folks who realize the insanity of the liberal agenda or at least it is from time to time. i, for example, am just another aging hippie. i marched, i protested and i even expressed my discontent in what might be considered some rather...
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    Debt ceiling talks: Whose fault?

    ah yes, that great liberal devotion to fact. i've watched as you have trotted out fact after fact and find i am spectacularly unimpressed. what you seem to miss is that each and every fact is open to interpretation, that no occurrence is independent of its surroundings. your strict adherence...
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    Is The Conservative Movement Destroying The Middle Class?

    it is the modern middle class that is destroying itself. the seeds of that destruction can be seen in the origins of what we now consider middle class to be. the very idea that laborers and common wage slaves should be considered middle class is laughable. until relatively recently, it was...
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