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  1. timbo123

    Abortion, if you object does that mean you want to control women's uteri

    Yeah. And I'm by no means trying to throw a tear jerker, emotional anecdote into the discussion as a reason for picking a certain number of weeks. It was an eye opener for me though, to experience that first hand. It is what it is.
  2. timbo123

    Abortion, if you object does that mean you want to control women's uteri

    I'll throw this in for what it's worth. Our second child died in the womb at 19 weeks. My wife actually had to go into the hospital and deliver it. I held it in my palms and it did indeed look exactly like a tiny little human. Just something I saw with my eyes and felt with my hands. I...
  3. timbo123

    Abortion, if you object does that mean you want to control women's uteri

    Buck on the surface it sounds like an outlandish theory. But I suspect that there are women who have gone to greater lengths than that to avoid having sex with you. :)
  4. timbo123

    Abortion, if you object does that mean you want to control women's uteri

    He who gets to make that judgement is the same who judges that the baby was better off dead due to the conditions and environment that the mother would have brought him into.
  5. timbo123

    Abortion, if you object does that mean you want to control women's uteri

    Rape?? She wanted it. She was asking for it being dressed like that. Another analogy: Jack the Ripper... dismembering a live human the day before his head would naturally emerge from the snatch.
  6. timbo123

    Abortion, if you object does that mean you want to control women's uteri

    Gestating is as automatic as breathing or shitting. I never met a mom who couldn't master it. Simple.
  7. timbo123

    Abortion, if you object does that mean you want to control women's uteri

    Apologies. I assumed that everyone would be able to make the correlation that the mother making a "choice" over a full term, unborn baby is akin to making a choice over SOMEONE else's body... such as me making a choice about the vag of the hottie in line... or the broken hips of the elderly...
  8. timbo123

    Abortion, if you object does that mean you want to control women's uteri

    Why are you hung up on bestowing certain privileges upon someone for the simple act of 'gestating'? Why not leave it up to the father? He has an equal chunk of DNA floating around inside there too? Your friend Red did have a point though about the 'war on poverty'... If an would-be unfit...
  9. timbo123

    Abortion, if you object does that mean you want to control women's uteri

    These aren't "rounds" Buck. Everything isn't a fight. What can I say? I likes me some vagina. There are two bodies whose sanctity must be considered at some point along the way.
  10. timbo123

    Abortion, if you object does that mean you want to control women's uteri

    LOL! That was a good one Red. :mrgreen:
  11. timbo123

    Abortion, if you object does that mean you want to control women's uteri

    By strict adherence to the "yield autonomy of their bodies" line of thinking, don't all of us yield autonomy of our bodies at a certain point in a society that imposes laws on it's citizens? I can't say to the hottie in front of me in line at the supermarket "Sorry ma'am, you're gonna need to...
  12. timbo123

    Abortion, if you object does that mean you want to control women's uteri

    I am aware of a law that allows people to drop off newborns at the hospital within X hours of delivery. No repercussions no questions asked. In the United States.
  13. timbo123

    Abortion, if you object does that mean you want to control women's uteri

    I mispelled her name. It is Rebecca Hopfer. http://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2010/02/21/newborn-hopfer-murder-8141996-dayton-oh-teen-mom-puts-newborn-in-trash-bags-and-throws-away-baby-in-trash-sentenced-15-years-life-gained-clemency-after-8-years-in-prison/ Left it uncorrected on purpose so...
  14. timbo123

    Behind?

    Why the hell does it matter what state you are in?
  15. timbo123

    spending problem or revenue problem, you decide

    Although worth noting: Singapore is on the list and they have mandatory capital punishment for possession of 500 grams of weed. So this study does smell a little bullshitty to me! :)
  16. timbo123

    spending problem or revenue problem, you decide

    Best place to be born in 2013: Switzerland http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2012/11/29/best-place-to-be-born-in-2013-switzerland/?wprss=rss_world
  17. timbo123

    spending problem or revenue problem, you decide

    Buck could have a point about the "government creating jobs" biz. I know the Keynesian, hard-core capitalism ideas and can recite them with the most devout anti-Socialist. But I am starting to notice that the USA isn't showing up in the "top 10 countries" for quality of life lists anymore...
  18. timbo123

    spending problem or revenue problem, you decide

    It is an interesting point you make, as the "jobs" associated with the American war machine do extend well out into the civilian economy. That said, I'd rather see the tech companies, and the men in uniform, etc... allocate their energies towards some other purpose than war. It's an...
  19. timbo123

    Abortion, if you object does that mean you want to control women's uteri

    Yes. He did say 12 weeks. My point was there may be a number of weeks when the gestator ceases to be the only person with some skin in the game. Actually I chose the word "belly" quite deliberately. It means abdomen... both the stomach and the uterus lie within the confines of a woman's...
  20. timbo123

    Abortion, if you object does that mean you want to control women's uteri

    i agree to a point. But there isn't any reason that a certain deadline shouldn't be imposed on making the decision that a baby isn't for you. Some young mothers have delivered their baby in secret and then killed him after the home delivery. (Not often, but it has happened. One case was a...
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