O.I just purchased a nice 2x4 ebb and flow setup,all attachments,pump,etc,tray,rez,etc,for 280 bucks with ph up/down,hydroton,ph test,48 starter cubes,18 planters,timer,I am no expert but sounds like a good deal.I also bought a grow tent 4x4,400 watt hortilux MH,and 400 HPS,getting the ballast...