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natro.hydro

natro.hydro

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Sorry if this seems stupid but idk how environmental factors can change something like sex.i guess when i think of sex of axplant i consider it predetermined by genetic material not its environment. I have heard before that seeds germ'd at higher temps have higher percentage of males. Obviously you get a herm every now and then but for the most part it is one or thecother with a lil heavier on the female side. So if someone could help me understand how environment determines sex or just link me to a solid research paper on the topic would def be rep worthy.
Side note, kinda more of a breeder question but since i just thought of it ill ask here too. Anyone ever seen a male turn herm to produce buds? Like i said more of a breeder question since not all of us have a vast experience with growing out male plants... food for thought i guess lol
keep it green guys
 
Greengenes707

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natro.hydro said:
Sorry if this seems stupid but idk how environmental factors can change something like sex.i guess when i think of sex of axplant i consider it predetermined by genetic material not its environment. I have heard before that seeds germ'd at higher temps have higher percentage of males. Obviously you get a herm every now and then but for the most part it is one or thecother with a lil heavier on the female side. So if someone could help me understand how environment determines sex or just link me to a solid research paper on the topic would def be rep worthy.
Side note, kinda more of a breeder question but since i just thought of it ill ask here too. Anyone ever seen a male turn herm to produce buds? Like i said more of a breeder question since not all of us have a vast experience with growing out male plants... food for thought i guess lol
keep it green guys
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I don't have any direct links but I have gathered my own thoughts on this based on some good info and how I germ mine. I have been to serval grow at the HT cups, emerald cups, and oaksterdam. Plus what my mentors have told me. I don't run enough beans to test any theories so I just stick with general good grow room conditions and get good rates.

Everything I have gathered in a nut shell...
-Cooler will give ore females <78*
-Warmer will give more males >78*
-Deep and/or narrower containers tends to produce more female
-Shorter/shallower containers give more males.
-They don't have a predetermined sex

The reasons that I know are it has to do with what season the plants think it is and what is the best option to pass it's genes on.
So warmer would means that it is probably summer/late summer and that there is not as much growing season, so they go male because it would be quicker to mature and blow pollen than female and flower out fully to make beans. Opposite/cooler will give it the idea that there is a fuller season still and that being female is a viable option to live and reproduce.

Now personally I believe that it just warmer temps that make males...cooler will just let it decide without stress forcing it one way...and so females happen more likely because female live longer.

I can't exactly remember the contain theory explanation perfectly...but it was the same principal of making the plants think that there is not as long to live will force more male. Like shallow meant less water source or something.
I was talking with apache about this one day and he said how in school(greenhouse management) they used to use long tubes to germinate in for more females.
Like the ones on the left.
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natro.hydro

natro.hydro

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Huh, so kinda lkke what urban said, heard about the root room you give them can change sex but only herms not actual sex determination. It makes sense what you guys are putting down i just was hoping some college kid had done a thesis kn the subject or something. Feel kinda dumb now having only thought that herms were the only sex related survival instict, should have know better since cannabis is such an amazing specimine. Thanx for the explanation tags, hope ya enjoy the rep even though i am not exactly the almight of repping power like some people on this site lol...
 
SCARHOLE

SCARHOLE

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Idk it could have been pure chance for me but...

Mohan Rams work is peer reviewed an journaled.
His fem methods are proven.
He's was a science guy....

i hear cytokinin treatment will make a seed male.
But not sure how I need to do it.


Also....
Long Lifespan
Experience with using induction lighting at the U.S. Department of Energy's Waste Isolation Pilot Plant (WIPP) near Carlsbad, New Mexico, has demonstrated the long life in actual usage. WIPP's first induction lighting system was installed in 1998, replacing high-pressure sodium (HPS) lights. More than 10 years later, all but three of the original 36 induction units are still operating after more than 88,000 hours of continuous, 24/7 operation. Additional systems were installed in 2002 and succeeding years, both indoors and outside, with excellent results.




Energy.gov
 
chazbolin

chazbolin

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It's been three years on an 18/6, 7 day a week photoperiod and the 100/200 watt IG lamps have logged 19,700 hours on the original lamps. Reports are that the plants continue to thrive and there is still 7 years left on the lamp/ballast warranty.

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hyroot

hyroot

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SCARHOLE said:
Idk it could have been pure chance for me but...

Mohan Rams work is peer reviewed an journaled.
His fem methods are proven.
He's was a science guy....

i hear cytokinin treatment will make a seed male.
But not sure how I need to do it.


Also....
Long Lifespan
Experience with using induction lighting at the U.S. Department of Energy's Waste Isolation Pilot Plant (WIPP) near Carlsbad, New Mexico, has demonstrated the long life in actual usage. WIPP's first induction lighting system was installed in 1998, replacing high-pressure sodium (HPS) lights. More than 10 years later, all but three of the original 36 induction units are still operating after more than 88,000 hours of continuous, 24/7 operation. Additional systems were installed in 2002 and succeeding years, both indoors and outside, with excellent results.




Energy.gov
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Seed sprout teas using corn seed will have a good amount of cytokinin. Having mostly red light early on can induce a male. The young plant or seedling will thinks its fall at the end of the season. Also too much stress can induce males too. I don't believe temp causes anything. I've had it pretty warm and got more females than males. Same for colder temps. Imo its more based on lighting and stress and strain. Some strains can take quite a beating and still turn out female. I had a cheese og in a small cup just 2 weeks old. It got bent 90 degrees from falling off a shelf and into a box and sat there for a whole day. It turned out female. Where I had a few others of same strain and no stress was caused but turned male anyway. They were under uvl redsuns when they went male.
 
Mr John

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For those interested new vertical light system looks like it was just released today. [h=2]Pro-420-VPAR[/h][h=3]Vertical Plant Lighting Systems
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SCARHOLE

SCARHOLE

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Isnt that IndaGro s home town....
good read
especially about led light pollution

BRIGHTER, MORE EFFICIENT STREETLIGHTS YIELD MORE THAN $2 MILLION IN ANNUAL SAVINGS
Mayor Jerry Sanders today announced a citywide project to upgrade 80 percent of the city&#8217;s street lights to energy-efficient fixtures that produce a whiter light that is more like sunlight.
&#8220;This is great for San Diego from every perspective,&#8221; Sanders said. &#8220;The city will save $2.2 million annually from reduced energy and maintenance costs, and the higher-quality light will make our neighborhoods safer.&#8221;
The $16 million retrofit is funded by a financing package that includes a $13 million bond, $2 million in federal grant stimulus funding, and a $3 million low-interest state loan. In addition, San Diego Gas & Electric will provide a one-time $1.2 million rebate for the lighting change.
More than 35,000 induction technology street light fixtures, using broad band light technology, will replace the old sodium vapor lamps. The new light fixtures will make colors easier to see at night because they produce a broader light spectrum than sodium vapors.


The city chose induction lighting over LED lamps because a 20-year life-cycle study showed broad band induction lights saved more energy, were less expensive and provided better light.



The retrofit project began Sept. 13 and, when completed next summer, will reduce electricity consumption by 16 million annual kilowatt-hours of each year, yielding a corresponding carbon- emission reduction of more than 12,000 tons yearly.
Installation of the new lighting will be done by San Marcos-based Southern Contracting.
For more information on the citywide street lighting retrofit program, visit www.energy-sandiego.org and go to the &#8220;Street Lighting Retrofit&#8221; link

http://www.nlb.org/index.cfm?cdid=10839&pid=10213

Long study .....
http://www.sandiego.gov/environmental-services/pdf/energy/100104assessment.pdf
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chazbolin

chazbolin

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It's funny you bring this up. In early 2000 the guys at Fleet Systems which is parent to Inda-Gro had developed a Cobrahead EFDL that would retrofit higher wattage HID systems and presented it to a group of engineers at Sempra Energies. I think it is safe to say that at the time the entire focus of Sempra, as well as the majority of the utilities at the time, was that induction was a technology that would never compete with SSL (LED) retrofit solutions. In fact they would not even had gotten the meetings if it were not for the fact that their Cobrahead was available with a camera system that could send streaming images over the high voltage power lines without requiring a wireless signal or any hard wire low voltage cabling. Simply connect the retrofitted light and watch the images from your PC.

Since the lights were dimmable to 50% the camera/software could define a field in the image that if there were movement detected the lights would run @ 100% output otherwise as many as you wanted to identify would be 'at rest' and run at 50% output. So the cameras not only allowed for neighborhood watch programs where anyone who had authorized access to something like an HOA site for example would be able to log in and watch the stream but to act as the trigger to run the lights at full or 1/2 power.

Now what was very cool about this integration is that it provided jobs to those less skilled or handicapped types who were limited to finding work in a weak economy. What Fleet did before ADT or some of these others had gotten into it was bring the video back to 48" screens broke into 25 channels that were real time monitored for 8 hour shifts. Clients paid a nominal fee ($120/mo/8hr shift) to have someone paying attention to break ins, assaults, rape, you name it and acted on it with prescribed protocols. By having 25 channels filled up each screen generated up to $9K per month. One Monitoring Agent could easily watch three screens so the potential of $27K per MA made for positive revenue streams.

Fleet sold that portion of the business off to a large security company that continues to use it to this day. Which was good since it freed them up to concentrate more on product development for Inda-Gro.
 
natro.hydro

natro.hydro

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Idk if its just my stoner anxiety but the only part of that segment i caught was CAMERAS IN LIGHTS! Lol not that paranoid but it doesnt give the sense of security i think they were aiming for.... sorry to get off topic vhaz bit that camera thing creeps me out, probably not super high res tho, just a bunch of very pixelated pictures im sure.
 
chazbolin

chazbolin

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Actually these were high res images that transmitted @ 25FPS over power line networking or 10FPS on a standard 3G aircard. My point in telling this to ya'll is that project was ahead of it's time. There are several companies that make roadway lights with cameras in them today. It makes sense since they are mounted so high anyway. But yes I say you're having a mild case of stoner anxiety. IG won't be applying the same technology inside their grow lights.
 
natro.hydro

natro.hydro

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Nkt trying to say the developed the tech with bad intentions its just the matter of finding someone trustworthy enough to be privy to all this potetnial information. Im not worried im sure our trusty gov't will put this tech in the right hands :-?
Not try to shit on inductions high moment its just that homeland security scares the living shit outta me since they have practically no restirction on what they can do to you and nobody they have to directly answer too...
 
chazbolin

chazbolin

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natro.hydro

natro.hydro

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Xray vans you say? Hmm had not heard about that shit, assume it is something along the lines of those full body scanners tsa has that got everyones up in arms. My main problem with all this isnt so much that someone sees it once but that whatever they deem as salvageable for counter terrorism efforts gets stored at a huge server warehouse they are building or have built already... cant rmember the timeline for it, try to keep myself vaguely in the know about the gov'ts dealings or i would probably never leave the f'ing house lol
 
flaxseedoil1000

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Mr John said:
For those interested new vertical light system looks like it was just released today. Pro-420-VPAR

Vertical Plant Lighting Systems
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Saw that today, in person :)

What you don't see in the pic is that what would normally be the top of the hood is open so the light exits each side.
 
flaxseedoil1000

flaxseedoil1000

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Stopped by Inda-Gro to pick up a Pontoon for my 420.

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Darryl holding MY pontoon right before it went in a box.

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Pontoon paradise!

All the folks at Inda-Gro were great, super friendly and willing to take the time to answer any questions.

Darryl walked me around all the buildings. If anyone ever tries to tell you that Inda-Gro products are made in some far away land, they are FoS. I saw all the assembly from start to finish, right there in San Diego.

Also got a peek at a future product. It's a micro-processor with light sensor and LCD screen that displays parameters such as Umol's, etc.. Very slick.

Gotta go hook my Pontoon up now :)
 
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