Peter Christ (LEAP) on the "War on Drugs!!"

GreatwhiteNorth

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I've heard him before & you're right, he simply crushes the prohibition argument.
I wish more people would listen to him speak.

Good seeing you around my friend. ;-)
 

Rak on Tur'

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Good video, Christ nails it. Legalizing all drugs, not just pot, is a far more sensible approach. No matter how hard people try to enforce morality will never work. Because it can't.
 

kinetic

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Good video, Christ nails it. Legalizing all drugs, not just pot, is a far more sensible approach. No matter how hard people try to enforce morality will never work. Because it can't.
I don't man. Look at the bath salt zombies. My community was hit hard. Once it was off the store shelves there has been an abrupt decline in the craziness that went along with it. And morality is enforced everyday, I'm sure there are more than a few people that would kill someone if not for the consequences of the action. I know I'm on the minority side here when I say that I don't agree that wide open legalization of every substance should be made. Cannabis yes. Crack and bath salts being sold at the local pharmacy not so much. That's just me.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I don't man. Look at the bath salt zombies. My community was hit hard. Once it was off the store shelves there has been an abrupt decline in the craziness that went along with it. And morality is enforced everyday, I'm sure there are more than a few people that would kill someone if not for the consequences of the action. I know I'm on the minority side here when I say that I don't agree that wide open legalization of every substance should be made. Cannabis yes. Crack and bath salts being sold at the local pharmacy not so much. That's just me.
Bath salts would have zero popularity if the better, more pleasant alternatives were generally available. i mean you tell me ... Sandoz Acid in the precisely-metered, minty tablet or bath salts? Hmmmmmm
 

Rak on Tur'

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I don't man. Look at the bath salt zombies. My community was hit hard. Once it was off the store shelves there has been an abrupt decline in the craziness that went along with it. And morality is enforced everyday, I'm sure there are more than a few people that would kill someone if not for the consequences of the action. I know I'm on the minority side here when I say that I don't agree that wide open legalization of every substance should be made. Cannabis yes. Crack and bath salts being sold at the local pharmacy not so much. That's just me.
Killing a person isn't a moral issue, it's infringing on that persons right to live. Morality is tried to be enforced everyday, how is that working out for us? It's not. I wouldn't say your in the minority on full legalization, most people share your view that I have talked to.

Bath salts had somewhat of a upstart here, then it was back to meth. We outlaw the "safe" chemicals in our country, so people build labs in the woods under tarps and use brick cleaner, starting fluid, ect. I have cleaned up about 20 of those, its not a fun job. You can't even buy sudefed without a 3rd degree by some dink behind a counter now. It does make people do horrible things. One of the most bothersome things in my career was walking into a house and finding a baby in a microwave dead. The guy was so tweaked out he didn't notice he hit the on button.

Same with heroin. It's awful to watch kids get hooked on the stuff, even worse when a young girl gets hooked because of some jackass boyfriend.

What if it was regulated? We would have more control than we do now. What if we used the money we blow on prohibition for treatment. Most addicts are not bad people, they have just lost control. It's far more humane than throwing a person in jail for some manditory sentence.
 

kinetic

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Bath salts would have zero popularity if the better, more pleasant alternatives were generally available. i mean you tell me ... Sandoz Acid in the precisely-metered, minty tablet or bath salts? Hmmmmmm
It's far too late for that my friend, the cats out of the bag. Have you ever been to rehab? If so can you tell me those people would only put good things into their body? There's a whole populace that is suffering from their own issues that will use whatever they can to escape. Making drugs like heroin and crack readily available to the mentally ill is a good idea? Having first hand knowledge I can say that it is not and the only thing keeping a family member clean is the legal ramifications of this hard drug use.
 

kinetic

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Killing a person isn't a moral issue, it's infringing on that persons right to live. Morality is tried to be enforced everyday, how is that working out for us? It's not.tion, most people shar I wouldn't say your in the minority on full legalizae your view that I have talked to.
No, Here at RIU I'm in the minority. I've taken this stance before recently and have noticed the lack of interaction there after from people that used to interact with me on the regular. It doesn't bother me.

So the same system that everyone knows is corrupt and screwing things up now is going to implement controlled usage of meth, crack, pcp, and things like bath salts?

I'm all for education and treatment by the way. Reform to the current standards must adopted. I don't think fullout legalization of very hard drugs is the right path. When someone is chasing the dragon and looking through kitty litter for a piece of crack is legalization going to change that behavior? I have to assume that you have been directly affected by watching someone you love have their live torn apart and away from you because of one of these drugs. Legalizing something like crack is not going to help that person.
 

OddBall1st

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This guy has just about the most well articulated argument against prohibition I have heard to date. Ya gotta love LEAP! Cops with common sense isn't an oxymoron!

http://www.upworthy.com/every-war-on-drugs-myth-thoroughly-destroyed-by-a-retired-police-captain?g=2&c=ufb1


This guy`s a moron. He leaves out a lot. Prohibition is regulating, so let`s end prohibition and regulate. He takes the bad sock and puts it on the other foot.
Protect yourself against yourself has everything to do with one`s age. The crimes and killings in Mexico will move to your neighborhoods, the motives and opportunities will no doubt change but that don`t mean it`s a good crime or killing because it didn`t happen in Mexico over distribution. It`s only a war on drugs when National boarders are involved, it`s called a less aggressive "domestic disturbance" when regulated in the US. How`s those percentages doing now in CO and WA ?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
It's far too late for that my friend, the cats out of the bag. Have you ever been to rehab? If so can you tell me those people would only put good things into their body? There's a whole populace that is suffering from their own issues that will use whatever they can to escape. Making drugs like heroin and crack readily available to the mentally ill is a good idea? Having first hand knowledge I can say that it is not and the only thing keeping a family member clean is the legal ramifications of this hard drug use.
I think you missed my point. Would you reach for heroin or crack if advanced psychedelics were readily available?
 

Dannoo93

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That man needs to be on every tv station preaching this lol. He is damn right just cuz meth is legal im not gonna go shoot up fuck that shit feds need to listen to this man

Dannoo93
 

Jack Harer

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This guy`s a moron. He leaves out a lot. Prohibition is regulating, so let`s end prohibition and regulate. He takes the bad sock and puts it on the other foot.
Protect yourself against yourself has everything to do with one`s age. The crimes and killings in Mexico will move to your neighborhoods, the motives and opportunities will no doubt change but that don`t mean it`s a good crime or killing because it didn`t happen in Mexico over distribution. It`s only a war on drugs when National boarders are involved, it`s called a less aggressive "domestic disturbance" when regulated in the US. How`s those percentages doing now in CO and WA ?
WTF.... did I miss sumpthin?
 

kinetic

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I think you missed my point. Would you reach for heroin or crack if advanced psychedelics were readily available?
I've never done anything but cannabis and psychedelics. Having spent time in a rehab as a non patient I can't tell you that your statement would not be true for everyone. There are a ton of people turning to smack after they get turned off their pain meds for example. I'm not admonishing users here. I don't care what you guys put into your body. I don't think the government nor corporations should be in charge of you getting your heroin or crack or pcp or meth or anything else you want to put into your body. Look at big tobacco, the supplemental things in cigarettes is vast. Do you think your legalized drugs are going to not be tinkered with so your not further beholden to your corporate dealer?
 
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