desert dude
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Why don't the Democrats? They controlled congress, the senate and the presidency from 2008 to 2010, plenty of time to close Gitmo as the One promised and then reneged.
Conservatives hate your constitution
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ChesusRice
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No they didnt
desert dude
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The only constitution haters I have seen on RIU have been the usual progressive suspects. No need to list them.
ChesusRice
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Then you agree with me that the GITMO detainees should be moved to American soil and go thru civil trials in our court system
UncleBuck
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why do you hate the 14th amendment?
travisw
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Don't be a drama queen, expose these constitution haters. Are you on some sort of task force? Is hating the only crime or are there more?
desert dude
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Tea party rally
2 weeks ago
[video=youtube;r6FE7c9rtrw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6FE7c9rtrw[/video]
echelon1k1
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Obama doesn't agree with you...
Doer
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Ah. The master. Ole Snake Head. Ain't he something? I think honesty is rare power, indeed.
desert dude
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No, I don't necessarily agree with you on this. I think some GITMO detainees should be released because they are innocent. Some, like Khalid Shiek Mohammed, should be kept under lock and key until the conflict ends or until they are dead. They are POWs. As such, they have no constitutional rights just as the goat herder in Afghanistan has no constitutional rights under the US constitution. People on American soil have constitutional rights, and it ends there. If you commit a crime on American soil, the US constitution applies. The 19 hijackers on 911 were protected under the US constitution, for example, but they died during their murderous crimes: boo hoo. For enemy combatants, trials by military tribunal for war crimes are sufficient. We released all of the Nazi POWs when WWII ended, not before. I think GITMO has become a PR nightmare for the US because the weepy liberals, in every country, have made it one. Obama has not closed GITMO for a reason.
My statement should not be taken as support for torture or anything of the sort, so don't bother going down that path.
ChesusRice
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(Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives passed a massive defense bill on
Friday that includes measures to block President Barack Obama's plans to
close the Guantanamo Bay prison, underscoring the tough fight ahead for the
White House as it seeks to shutter the controversial detention
camp.
The Republican-controlled House voted, 315-108, for the $638 billion National
Defense Authorization Act, which authorizes money for weapons, troops and the
war in Afghanistan. But it also addresses a range of policy
matters, including this year's efforts to combat sexual assault in the military
and provisions intended to prevent the closure of the prison camp at the base in
Cuba.
desert dude
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Obama is the commander in chief of the US military. He can order GITMO closed by midnight tonight, pacific standard time, if he chooses. As a supposed veteran, Cheesy, I thought you would know this.
desert dude
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ChesusRice
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(Reuters) - A leading Republican congressman proposed legislation on Monday that
critics say would force U.S. President Barack Obama to keep the Guantanamo Bay
military prison open and fund renovations, despite his renewed bid to shut it
down.
Representative Howard McKeon, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee,
also included language in a 2014
defense authorization bill that would again prohibit transfers of inmates to the
United States or countries like Yemen without certain guarantees
to Congress.
ChesusRice
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Republicans kept the promise by using limits on federal spending. In 2011, Congress passed the National Defense Authorization Act for FY 2011 which prohibited the use of funds to construct or modify U.S. prison to house detainees from Guantanamo. It also barred any spending on transferring detainees to the U.S. and put in place onerous requirements on transferring any detainees to another country. As we noted in our last update, the Republican-controlled House of Representatives used the power of the purse to keep the prisoners solely in Guantanamo.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/gop-pledge-o-meter/promise/668/keep-combatants-in-guantanamo-bay/
ChesusRice
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Good ole Thomas Jefferson
A man who kept his children in slavery and raped his slaves
UncleBuck
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that's the problem with the point desert dud was trying to make.
he is trying to imply that the right wing extremist tea partiers are of "good conscience", when they are anything but.
and like jefferson. they would probably own blacks and rape them given the chance.
echelon1k1
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You're wrong, face it, Obama can close GITMO at any time he chooses, regardless of who holds majority in house and senate. He signed the EO - all he has to do is have someone action it...
UncleBuck
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if obama does not issue an executive order on X: "why won't that pussy just do what's right and issue an executive order? no leadership at all from that kenyan muslim half-rican. i'm not racist"
if obama does issue an executive order on X: "that fucking tyrant thinks he can just bypass the law and trample the constitution. no consensus building at all from that kenyan muslim half-rican. i'm not racist."
if obama does issue an executive order on X: "that fucking tyrant thinks he can just bypass the law and trample the constitution. no consensus building at all from that kenyan muslim half-rican. i'm not racist."
echelon1k1
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He has issued an executive order - the problem is no one has done a thing about it http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/closure-guantanamo-detention-facilities
I'm curious as to why it was never actioned, obviously the intent was there up until around 2010...