We need some help.

[keysareme]

She's been in organic soil for 9 days (right out of the bag, I did not mix anything in).
She was at least three weeks old when I got her, and was in a red cup with half and half fox farm/black gold.
She had no nutrients until 5 days ago. I had been feeding her micro doses with good responses. (Biothrive and calmg from general organics)
I think she was underfed when I got her and is just showing the signs of that.
It also could be nutrient lock out (purple stems) I'm still working on the proper ph and I have not checked the ppms at all.
Our tap water is a joke, well above 8 ph. When I use the tap I have not been letting it sit out for 2-3 days (most was 18 hours), also using distilled now.
To me the ph looks around 6.2-6.4 when I feed her. As I mentioned I am still working on being confident about the ph, and I would like to make sure the ppms are on as well.

She is in a 5 gallon g lite pot, and can hold a little over a quart of water before runoff. I got 3/4 of a gallon (with her first full feeding) in her last night over a 7 hour watering in portions.
She is sitting in a clear plastic runoff tray and I have been letting her soak up the runoff each night. She is usually dry and ready for more water by light time the following day. ( should I not have her soak up the runoff? It is dark murky brown.)


For light she has
125w 6500k above in dome
125w 6400k drooped back right
105w 2700k front left
65w 6500k back left
19w 2700k drooped front right
(90w led red/orange not being used)

I'll just post pictures and hopefully you can see what I am concerned for.

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After reading furthur I think I have been giving her water at too low of a ph.
I also added a 105w 2700k cfl a few nights ago and that's when I noticed a lot of changes. prior to that it was all 6500k and really good upwards growth that I decided to lst. Does the 105w of 2700k cause any harm to her right now in veg?
I took the 2700k out for now.

I checked the runoff and (I am still unsure) but it looks well over 7. Very murky water. Very green. Also plucked the most affected fan leaves and that opened u a nice space for all the new growth.

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after a good read I feel that what we have here is a combo of Calcium Deficiency. Heat and Light Stress. Magnesium Deficiency. Nitrogen Toxicity. pH Fluctuations.
With the potential of any and or more.

also since she is being left to sit in the runoff till she absorbs it and drys out potentially Root Rot. lovely...

on a happy note. nectar of the gods and her sister are going to join her tomorrow!

 

[tikitoker]

the words that I'm concerned with in your post are words like I think or looks when you're referring to ph. if you don't have a pH meter you don't know what your pH is.you need to get a pH meter. PH for your soil is between 6.2 and 6.8 6.5 being optimal. Soil temperature also plays a big role with ph and nutrient availability. To cold and P is unavaiable

 

[tikitoker]

pictures would really help out

 

[keysareme]

the words that I'm concerned with in your post are words like I think or looks when you're referring to ph. if you don't have a pH meter you don't know what your pH is.you need to get a pH meter. PH for your soil is between 6.2 and 6.8 6.5 being optimal. Soil temperature also plays a big role with ph and nutrient availability. To cold and P is unavaiable

pictures would really help out

 

[spek9]

Didn't read the whole post, but that said, here's my guess:

- calmag deficiency
- high heat, and/or air circulation problems
- pH issue (which would cause the calmag issue)

-spek

 

[keysareme]

Didn't read the whole post, but that said, here's my guess:

- calmag deficiency
- high heat, and/or air circulation problems
- pH issue (which would cause the calmag issue)

-spek

Yes that's it. Fresh growth is greeen.
Another question. Would 125w of 2700k mess with the veg right now? Or is that all good to have in the mix?

 

[spek9]

Based on the pics, you also look a bit over-watered.

Get some air movement if you don't have already, and ensure your temps at canopy level are less than 82 max (I prefer 76-78 ). Sativas do well in higher heat, but this looks Indie to me. Also, a lack of air movement will hurt things worse the higher the temps get, because there's not adequate carbon dioxide being replaced for the plants to breathe in.

Also, grab a bottle of CalMag... you're going to need this even in the best of conditions long term anyways. Lastly but most importantly, pH to 6.3-6.5 in your soil.

-spek

 

[keysareme]

Based on the pics, you also look a bit over-watered.

Get some air movement if you don't have already, and ensure your temps at canopy level are less than 82 max (I prefer 76-78 ).

Also, grab a bottle of CalMag... you're going to need this even in the best of conditions long term anyways. Lastly but most importantly, pH to 6.3-6.5 in your soil.

-spek

Ok. I just put up current pictures. We have a vornado 10in fan in there at the top of her. The tent does get warm I do not have a thermometer. I'm sure I had the light above her to close as the same with the 2700k cfl for a few nights. As for pH of the water I've been around 6.3 each watering and the runoff still is quite high near 7. I've also been working up to a full dose of both calmg and biothrive veg and she got most of a full gallon feed last night and she is still soaking in what was left in the runoff. There is a quart left of the gallon that she did not get last night.

 

[bird mcbride]

"...and she is still soaking in what was left in the runoff."

What do you mean?

 

[spek9]

Ok. Sounds like you have things under control there, other than plants should never be sitting in their own runoff.

Don't give calmag every feed; leave that alone for now and only give calmag once every couple of weeks or when you can see she needs it.

The runoff is a bit disconcerting as I'd expect it to be lower in runoff than higher. Put a bit of lemon juice in your water for the next week, and pH it down to 5.8-6.2 until that runoff stabilizes. Don't over water though. Wait until the pots are nearly dried right out.

I'm still feeling too high of temps on this one, so get a thermometer as soon as possible. You can buy them from a grow shop or even Home Depot for < $20.

Just be easy here and don't do too much at once. Your goal now will be to stabilize the environment and medium so you can re-assess in another 5-7 days.

-spek

ps. subbed. I'll watch out for updates, perhaps other more experienced growers may catch something I'm missing or have better advice.

 

[keysareme]

"...and she is still soaking in what was left in the runoff."

What do you mean?

She is not elevated out of the runoff dish. So any and all water that flows through and runs off she is absorbing again before the next watering.

 

[spek9]

She is not elevated out of the runoff dish. So any and all water that flows through and runs off she is absorbing again before the next watering.

Bad bad BAD!

Runoff is just that, runoff. You're rotting your roots! Elevate them so that they don't suck back up the drained water!!

Your medium needs time to breathe, just like the roots do. The bottom of the medium should NEVER be wicking back up expelled water that sits for more than just a couple of minutes.

-spek

 

[keysareme]

Bad bad BAD!

Runoff is just that, runoff. You're rotting your roots! Elevate them so that they don't suck back up the drained water!!

Your medium needs time to breathe, just like the roots do. The bottom of the medium should NEVER be wicking back up expelled water that sits for more than just a couple of minutes.

-spek

Yea. probably rotted by now. Few days of doing this. Just got her out of that and will elevate so that her runoff will drip and not be soaked. I'll also run the lights until she is safely dry.

 

[spek9]

Yea. probably rotted by now. Few days of doing this. Just got her out of that and will elevate so that her runoff will drip and not be soaked. I'll also run the lights until she is safely dry.

No, not rotted yet. Keep faith my young RIU friend This plant is doing very well other than a slight bit of love needed.

All you need to do is get the plant out of the runoff. Don't do anything else (other than acquiring temps and stabilizing pH). I'd recommend against changing light schedule as you definitely don't want to introduce too many changes all at once.

-spek

 

[keysareme]

Composted barks Rice Hulls Chicken manure Seabird Guano bone meal Kelp meal blood meal Gypsum Sulfate of potash Iron perlite peat moss & mycorriha fungi are the components of the soil. wheeler zamaroni 420 organic gourmet mix

 

[keysareme]

No, not rotted yet. Keep faith my young RIU friend This plant is doing very well other than a slight bit of love needed.

All you need to do is get the plant out of the runoff. Don't do anything else (other than acquiring temps and stabilizing pH). I'd recommend against changing light schedule as you definitely don't want to introduce too many changes all at once.

-spek

Ok I will post updates

 

[keysareme]

maybe I should top her while she is still lst'd? Let the side shoots catch up even more and also since she is trained and her stalk has thickened possibly she could endure the topping? also the topmost growth does not look the healthiest so topping would allow fresh growth and two main colas. What you do feel? I've held off cause I wanted to stabilize.

 

[tikitoker]

Good deal spek9. That's the kinda help that turns noobs into mad scientists. Spot on advise.

 

[jackm420]

better get that fixed

 

[keysareme]

better get that fixed

ya.

She looks great now.