hyroot
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that has to be a typo. That's just over 3 years. They got good reviews. They have a 6 year warranty. So even if they die at 3 years just send them back .
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PSUAGRO.
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That's what I meant.........needs another 0==20000hrs...........hmmmmm maybe cri of 85 should be 75 or 65 or 55 yikes!!lol
RedCarpetMatches
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In 4 weeks I'll see what these A19s can do. If CFLs work great (for me at least 
) than I know these babies will work.
) than I know these babies will work.@tags420 or Apache led owners -
1st post yay, anyway ive been stalking these forums and the forums over at thcfarmer for a while now and decided to sign up so i can ask some questions / opinions on these LED lights.
http://www.apachetechinc.com/white-red/25-at600.html the AT600, how does this compare to the AT660, sorry i can't see it on their website? or is this the AT660 you are referring to.
ALSO before running into all of your posts regarding LEDs tags, i had nearly decided on purchasing a G2-800W from MAGLED's, how would this AT600 compare to the G2-800W?
bluey.
1st post yay, anyway ive been stalking these forums and the forums over at thcfarmer for a while now and decided to sign up so i can ask some questions / opinions on these LED lights.
http://www.apachetechinc.com/white-red/25-at600.html the AT600, how does this compare to the AT660, sorry i can't see it on their website? or is this the AT660 you are referring to.
ALSO before running into all of your posts regarding LEDs tags, i had nearly decided on purchasing a G2-800W from MAGLED's, how would this AT600 compare to the G2-800W?
bluey.
tags420
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I'm not the owner, I don't even work there. They just make the best led's and I have been loyal for a while. I don't hang out too much at the farm...not a very good/knowledgeable/even active led section. RIU LED community knows what's up.
The AT660 is the AT600. I have the prototype of it and there was no name, it pulls right around 660w so I had been calling it the AT660. But that kind of implies that there is a specific 660nm and there is not...so they call it the AT600 to keep it simple. Always better to understate than over as long as it's pretty close.
Unlike this..."1500w of led's"..."actual power draw=300w"...what it actually pulls is the only important wattage.
There is no other light like the at600 on the market. And even if there were I would be confident in saint that the AT will be better. Many led's can put out a decent par reading in the center. But they do not maintain a relative intensity throughout the footprint they claim to cover(meaning it doesn't cover it). I have seen a few of the G2's grows pop up, but one was harvest early and the others just disappeared. I would not buy one. I know what the original magnum plus2 was doing and it wasn't impressive. And considering you can get the G2 off alibaba for cheaper and straight from china...I wouldn't ever give that light(china or magnum) my order. They are pretty pricey for a china light too so that is a big no for me too.
Here is some µmol footprint graphs to compare and see what I mean
Lumatek digital with an eye hortilux super hps in a pretty standard hood over a 4x4 @24"(done by growershouse)
The AT600(prototype I have) also @24" over a 4x4.
I have posted every led and hps graph I could get off growershouse back in post #69 in this thread(https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/676858-tags-high-efficiency-lighting-garden-7.html#post9367956) and then I go really into detail with a video on the at600 in post #151(https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/676858-tags-high-efficiency-lighting-garden-16.html). You can look at growerhouse(http://growershouse.com/blog/category/lighting/) directly and see what they have done. You will find that nothing in the led world comes close to what the new AT600 can do. Even the 1000w hps truly has competition over the whole footprint with the AT. Check the penetrator review on there...I would consider that about equal to magnum.
What the hell...here is a bunch of the graphs I have from GH...remember to look only at the 24" box when comparing to the at600 graph I made. But even close the others are still behind, and definitely won't cover.
tags420
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Thanks pet. Let the numbers and girls speak for themselves. If people cannot see the truth, then there is nothing more that I can do.
Only $1600 with the code I have given to you all(hard to say only like this, but it is a big discount). Is there another alternative that would be substantially cheeper and produce the same output #'s??...unfortunately not that I know of.
RedCarpetMatches
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They'll be 500$ next year lol. Amazing panel tho!
any loaners available for testing ?
I picked up a couple of chinese cobs cause I am broke and have to make do. I'll end up mixing them with some T5s to round out the spectrum. But a side by side would be cool in my new 5x5 tent that I am setting up.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190949068316?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
I picked up a couple of chinese cobs cause I am broke and have to make do. I'll end up mixing them with some T5s to round out the spectrum. But a side by side would be cool in my new 5x5 tent that I am setting up.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190949068316?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
the way i saw it, i was about to fork out 1200 for a "china ripoff", then with that code i would only be spending another 450 for some quality, i only plan on lighting up a 1.2 x 1.2 x 2m tent, just for some personal, but i wanted to have a decent light, they say 6 years on the AT600, well i wouldn't have mine cranking all year long so it would certainly last me longer then 6 years.
tags420
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Exactly. Glad you see the value that is there. RBK331 is the code if you didn't see it already. You won't be disappointed with an Apache.
EDIT:
I just got your message on the farm. Hope I answered it here.
tags420
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I was thinking about scotch's new design and then I remembered there is a AT600L version. "L" stands for long. Everything else is the same inside it(power draw too). Originally designed for Stanford's tables, but is I saw it listed on the spec sheet, so it should be available. Probably not on the site, but they make it if it tickles anyone's fancy.
Only greenhouses using it that I know of, so I really don't officially know the coverage and footprint at our heights, but should do 3x6 flowering pretty much like the normal one does a 4x4.
Only greenhouses using it that I know of, so I really don't officially know the coverage and footprint at our heights, but should do 3x6 flowering pretty much like the normal one does a 4x4.
Scotch089
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Holy piss Tags, youve really outdone yourself this time... I bet the overlap between each of those modules is just outrageous.
Im guessing the dimensions are a standard 200's depth with x4's the lenght?
Now the AT200 actually draws ~200, right? I've only talked with "them" a few times, I dont know why they havnt hired you yet... Im sure I wasnt the only one completely pushed away by a 1,099.99 sticker on a not so great site- it is your work that is turning heads, and their products that are backing it up.
what it all comes down to: (for me..)
-The 200's dimensions are fuzzy, and I dont know how fast that coverage falls off. I remember the 2x2' coverage was good, but the 3x3' average made me worry a bit- but maybe the 2x3 design of the panel hurt the average..
-I really liked the idea of the 200's being driven, maybe not as efficient as the 600? But from what I understood they could run em like that all day long and it wouldn't make a differnce? (with the cooling..)
-And that makes me wonder... What do I really want...(x3 200w=600w @2350w/ship.) or (x1 600w @1780)
Thats pushing a $1/w for multiple panels, I love multiple panels... lol.
-Versatility, (man it all goes back to the dimensions- let me know if you do) but I think the 600L is definitely a specific design, fucking A+ Awesome, but specific. If it covers a wide enough area (the 3'), thats it for me. But I do feel like going with the Original 600 (haha... sounds weird..) offers a lot more options, and probably a higher saturation (for better or worse) dead center.
^^thats not my goal though, spread that shit like BUTTA! With good numbers of course, but I am just completely torn right now...
Im more or less typing out loud at this point, thank you Tags, that is one bad ass panel. Please, Everyone feel free to chime in on the Pro's and Con's between all three, for ANY situation.
Ill be making a list in the meantime.
Im guessing the dimensions are a standard 200's depth with x4's the lenght?
Now the AT200 actually draws ~200, right? I've only talked with "them" a few times, I dont know why they havnt hired you yet... Im sure I wasnt the only one completely pushed away by a 1,099.99 sticker on a not so great site- it is your work that is turning heads, and their products that are backing it up.
what it all comes down to: (for me..)
-The 200's dimensions are fuzzy, and I dont know how fast that coverage falls off. I remember the 2x2' coverage was good, but the 3x3' average made me worry a bit- but maybe the 2x3 design of the panel hurt the average..
-I really liked the idea of the 200's being driven, maybe not as efficient as the 600? But from what I understood they could run em like that all day long and it wouldn't make a differnce? (with the cooling..)
-And that makes me wonder... What do I really want...(x3 200w=600w @2350w/ship.) or (x1 600w @1780)
Thats pushing a $1/w for multiple panels, I love multiple panels... lol.
-Versatility, (man it all goes back to the dimensions- let me know if you do) but I think the 600L is definitely a specific design, fucking A+ Awesome, but specific. If it covers a wide enough area (the 3'), thats it for me. But I do feel like going with the Original 600 (haha... sounds weird..) offers a lot more options, and probably a higher saturation (for better or worse) dead center.
^^thats not my goal though, spread that shit like BUTTA! With good numbers of course, but I am just completely torn right now...
Im more or less typing out loud at this point, thank you Tags, that is one bad ass panel. Please, Everyone feel free to chime in on the Pro's and Con's between all three, for ANY situation.
Ill be making a list in the meantime.
tags420
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Ya 4 in one basically. I liked how it was laying so that it could cover the 3' wide because they are the wide way, not long.
I figured it would spark something for you. The spec sheet has it at 100µmols less at 12"...but at 18", 24", 36" it is the same peaks as the square at600...so that is a good thing. But I will say that the normal one makes sure the 4x4 is totally blasted with light. I have never even seen the "L" in person so I can only go by the spec sheet.
Your decision keeps getting tougher. I just wanted you to know all that was out there. Like you say...the "L" has a very specific application, but some may need/like it.
Thanks for the support man, I wish they read this stuff and knew what was going on. I will probably never get to work at AT, but that is their loss. I wish their site/them were as good as the panels, or the panels were shitty so I wouldn't like them so much...one day they will figure it out and all will mesh.
I just did a reading @24" and 18" from center(3x3) on the long way of the at200 and was getting 130-150µmols meter straight up...but tilted in was 200µmols. Center peak was at 750µmols@24". But you hit 1100µmols@18" but only 100ish µmols on that 3x3 edge. So like everything it's a trade off I guess.
I got to look at the spec sheet that is supposed to be going up on the site for all the lights. I felt like some of it was from the old, and some from the new, not sure if complete. The wattages for the 600's were on there as 672w(so I assume the wattages are updated...but curiously the at200 was only at 168w. So it is only a 10w increase but a huge output increase with the new chips. Mine is a proto and things change. It makes sense too, I think mine is almost a little too intense/concentrated for our applications. Greenhouse's wouldn't mind.
I wonder if puff has put his to a wattmeter? Mine was 196w at the max show. I don't actually have a wattmeter...spent it all on the par meter I guess.
What's up bro. How are things.
It's a cool panel. 56lb's...it's a beast. 48"Lx13.5"Wx5"H. It would integrate well into a IG designed setup for sure.
No fans on the other side, passive intake. Air gets pulled down the heat sink channels and then out
Here is the intake side
Hgrow
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Wow , impressive .
puffenuff
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Yo tags, that's funny you asked if I hooked up the AT200 to a killawatt meter. I tried the day I got it but since I hadn't used the meter in over a year I couldn't remember what buttons to press to get it to read in watts instead of I think it was on amps. I'll try again this afternoon. My AT120 was putting out ~170w when I checked last year so I'm curious about the AT200 now that you said something about yours running 196w but new ones supposed to be 168w. I'll let you know what mine runs at