Why haven't African Americans assimilated into American culture...?

[Dr Kynes]

I should've said its current incarnation we are witness to...

this answer is acceptable.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Wow, you just summed up minorities as "scum who shoot a clerk and watches him die while eating a sandwich", you don't see the problem with that statement? You're what wrong with the world.

It has nothing to do with 'icky feelings' but the actual measurable differences between different classes and races pertaining to social mobility.

The suspense is terrible, I hope it lasts.

 

[echelon1k1]

National Affairs: THE NEGRO CRIME RATE: A FAILURE IN INTEGRATION

Read more: http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,810262,00.html#ixzz2iEVCUZr3

Monday, Apr. 21, 1958

THEY are afraid to say so in public, but many of the North’s big-city mayors groan in private that their biggest and most worrisome problem is the crime rate among Negroes.

In 1,551 U.S. cities, according to the FBI tally for 1956, Negroes, making up 10% of the U.S. population, accounted for about 30% of all arrests, and 60% of the arrests for crimes involving violence or threat of bodily harm—murder, non-negligent manslaughter, rape, robbery and aggravated assault. In one city after another, the figures—where they are not hidden or suppressed by politicians—reveal a shocking pattern. Items:

New York (14% Negro). Of the prisoners confined in houses of detention last year to await court disposition of their cases, 44% of the males and 65% of the females were Negroes.

Chicago (15% Negro). In 1956 twice as many Negroes as whites—1,366 to 679—were arrested on charges of murder, non-negligent manslaughter, rape and robbery.

Detroit (25% Negro). Two out of three prisoners held in the Wayne County jail are Negroes. Last month 62% of. the defendants presented for trial in Recorder’s Court were Negroes. Of last year’s 25,216 arrests resulting in prosecution, excluding traffic cases, Negroes accounted for 12,919.

Los Angeles (13% Negro). In 1956 Negroes accounted for 28% of all arrests, and 48% of the arrests for homicide, rape, aggravated assault, robbery, burglary, larceny and auto theft.

San Francisco (7% Negro). The victims in 896 of last year’s 1,564 recorded robbery cases reported that the assailants were Negroes.

Negro leaders sometimes argue passionately that arrest statistics wildly distort the comparative incidence of crime among Negroes and whites because cops are more likely to arrest Negroes for petty crimes or on mere suspicion. Protests Executive Editor Charles Wartman of Detroit’s Michigan Chronicle, a Negro weekly: “The number of Negroes booked is at least partially indicative of subconscious if not conscious racial persecution on the part of police officers.”

But inequality of treatment by the police may actually tend to shrink rather than inflate the statistics of Negro crime. Says Newsman Wartman in the next breath: “When Negroes violate social morals—sex, drinking, gambling—white cops bypass this as ‘typically Negro.’ ” Many Negro leaders protest that the police are far from diligent enough in dealing with crimes committed against Negroes—and Negroes are the victims in the great majority of Negro crimes of violence. Since Negroes, even when they are victims or innocent bystanders, are often wary of calling the police, many offenses of disorder and assault go unreported when committed by Negroes in the depths of a ghetto.

Whether the statistics of Negro crime overstate or understate the reality, they are shrouded from public attention by what a Chicago judge last week called a “conspiracy of concealment.” In many cities, Negro leaders and organizations such as the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People put pressure on politicians, city officials and newspapers to play down the subject. Fearing loss of Negro votes, few elected officials dare to resist the pressures.

Abetting the concealment campaign is the feeling shared by many whites that it is unfair, inflammatory and even un-American to talk about Negro crime. This feeling is reflected in the widespread newspaper practice of not mentioning a criminal’s race unless he is at large and the fact would help in identifying him.

In hiding the facts about Negro crime, the “conspiracy of concealment” helps blur the causes of it. Negro leaders themselves often put forward explanations that are oversimple. Some hold that Negro crime is largely the result of migrations from the South: in the unfamiliar environment of the North, the argument runs, Negroes tend to be more crime-prone, just like white immigrants from abroad. But in fact, some studies have shown that, contrary to popular conviction, crime rates among foreign-born whites were lower than among U.S.-born whites.

Most often, Negro leaders point to poverty as the No. 1 factor in Negro crime. As Editor Louis Martin of the Chicago Defender sees it, the main cause is poor and crowded housing. But the moderate crime rates among European immigrants, subject to similar stresses of poverty and bad housing, suggest that other factors may be more important.

Providing better housing for impoverished Negroes is a necessity, but it would not solve the problem of Negro crime. Crime rates run high in the Negro slums of Harlem and South Side Chicago, but they also run high in the Negro districts of Los Angeles and San Francisco, where the houses are comparatively decent. As many a public-housing official has learned to his dismay, better housing does not automatically bring about the improvement in character and conduct that do-gooders used to predict. Slum dwellers who move into brand-new public-housing projects often turn them into new slums as verminous and crime-ridden as the tenements they left behind.

Negro leadership could make a start toward lowering Negro crime rates by abandoning the conspiracy of concealment and urging full disclosure of the facts to be met. Once they faced the facts, Negro leaders and organizations—including the N.A.A.C.P.—could help by wholeheartedly undertaking short-term efforts of rehabilitation, by accepting responsibility in an area where they habitually look the other way.

But even heroic efforts by Negro leadership could only dent the Negro crime problem, because essentially it is a white problem. And it will remain a severe problem until Northern whites, private citizens as well as civic officials, recognize that Negro crime is basically a symptom of a failure in integration, and start attacking discrimination in the North with the same fervor they show in arguing for civil rights in the South.

Unlike the Caucasian immigrant of an earlier day, a Negro can scarcely ever hope, even in the North, that the white society will really accept him on his human merits. Negroes are more prone than whites to break the laws, rules and customs of society because they are excluded from full membership in it. In gross and subtle ways, from unwritten bans on employing Negroes to the faintly patronizing tone that even liberal-hearted whites take toward them, Negroes are made to feel alien and inferior. This pervasive discrimination holds down capable Negroes at the top of the social ladder, dims their voices among their own people, builds up tensions and resentments inside the Negro society, and keeps great masses of Negroes segregated in ghettos where the standards of personal morality, discipline and responsibility are lower than those in the white world outside.

“Slam enough doors in a man’s face, and he may break one of them down,” said San Francisco’s Negro Deputy City Attorney R. J. Reynolds last week. The way to reduce the percentage of Negro crime, he believes, is to stop slamming the doors, or at least, as a start, give the Negro a new hope that maybe the next door won’t be slammed. Spreading the message of that new hope, he says, is a responsibility that Negro leaders will be very glad to assume.

 

[Dr Kynes]

National Affairs: THE NEGRO CRIME RATE: A FAILURE IN INTEGRATION

Read more: http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,810262,00.html#ixzz2iEVCUZr3

are you suggesting that the tired old "SES Made Me Do It" excuse might be OLD AND TIRED?

That's Racist!

 

[Beefbisquit]

National Affairs: THE NEGRO CRIME RATE: A FAILURE IN INTEGRATION

Read more: http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,810262,00.html#ixzz2iEVCUZr3

• Unlike the Caucasian immigrant of an earlier day, a Negro can scarcely ever hope, even in the North, that the white society will really accept him on his human merits. Negroes are more prone than whites to break the laws, rules and customs of society because they are excluded from full membership in it. In gross and subtle ways, from unwritten bans on employing Negroes to the faintly patronizing tone that even liberal-hearted whites take toward them, Negroes are made to feel alien and inferior. This pervasive discrimination holds down capable Negroes at the top of the social ladder, dims their voices among their own people, builds up tensions and resentments inside the Negro society, and keeps great masses of Negroes segregated in ghettos where the standards of personal morality, discipline and responsibility are lower than those in the white world outside.
  
  “Slam enough doors in a man’s face, and he may break one of them down,” said San Francisco’s Negro Deputy City Attorney R. J. Reynolds last week. The way to reduce the percentage of Negro crime, he believes, is to stop slamming the doors, or at least, as a start, give the Negro a new hope that maybe the next door won’t be slammed. Spreading the message of that new hope, he says, is a responsibility that Negro leaders will be very glad to assume.
  
  
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[Canna Sylvan]

Beef gets butt hurt easily.

 

[Doer]

Wow, you just summed up minorities as "scum who shoot a clerk and watches him die while eating a sandwich", you don't see the problem with that statement? You're what wrong with the world.

It has nothing to do with 'icky feelings' but the actual measurable differences between different classes and races pertaining to social mobility.

You are a rabid sophist. He summed up that scum ONLY and you are the one promoting the racial divide.

And it is for the reason of White Guilt.

 

[spandy]

• Unlike the Caucasian immigrant of an earlier day, a Negro can scarcely ever hope, even in the North, that the white society will really accept him on his human merits. Negroes are more prone than whites to break the laws, rules and customs of society because they are excluded from full membership in it. In gross and subtle ways, from unwritten bans on employing Negroes to the faintly patronizing tone that even liberal-hearted whites take toward them, Negroes are made to feel alien and inferior. This pervasive discrimination holds down capable Negroes at the top of the social ladder, dims their voices among their own people, builds up tensions and resentments inside the Negro society, and keeps great masses of Negroes segregated in ghettos where the standards of personal morality, discipline and responsibility are lower than those in the white world outside.
  
  “Slam enough doors in a man’s face, and he may break one of them down,” said San Francisco’s Negro Deputy City Attorney R. J. Reynolds last week. The way to reduce the percentage of Negro crime, he believes, is to stop slamming the doors, or at least, as a start, give the Negro a new hope that maybe the next door won’t be slammed. Spreading the message of that new hope, he says, is a responsibility that Negro leaders will be very glad to assume.
  
  
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They do that to themselves.


And what exactly is this "new hope" we are suppose to provide for them? Give them encouraging pats on the back while saying they can do it?

Why can't they open their own doors?

 

[Dr Kynes]

• Unlike the Caucasian immigrant of an earlier day, a Negro can scarcely ever hope, even in the North, that the white society will really accept him on his human merits. Negroes are more prone than whites to break the laws, rules and customs of society because they are excluded from full membership in it. In gross and subtle ways, from unwritten bans on employing Negroes to the faintly patronizing tone that even liberal-hearted whites take toward them, Negroes are made to feel alien and inferior. This pervasive discrimination holds down capable Negroes at the top of the social ladder, dims their voices among their own people, builds up tensions and resentments inside the Negro society, and keeps great masses of Negroes segregated in ghettos where the standards of personal morality, discipline and responsibility are lower than those in the white world outside.
  
  “Slam enough doors in a man’s face, and he may break one of them down,” said San Francisco’s Negro Deputy City Attorney R. J. Reynolds last week. The way to reduce the percentage of Negro crime, he believes, is to stop slamming the doors, or at least, as a start, give the Negro a new hope that maybe the next door won’t be slammed. Spreading the message of that new hope, he says, is a responsibility that Negro leaders will be very glad to assume.
  
  
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quotes without comment or opinion, so we are left to draw our own conclusions about your position regarding the content of the quotes.
what a clever way to ensure that you never have to defend your position.

meanwhile back to your previous citation, which ties in nicely with the sentiment in these quotes, since there has been so much "door slamming" in the faces of negroes, the key is obviously NOT to try and open those doors, but rather to ensure that an equal number of doors are slammed equally fiercely in the faces of an equal number of white people, thus all can be forgiven.



why not just come out and say it: REPARATIONS.

but since youre a canadian, and dont get a vote on US policy, you can pound sand.

 

[Beefbisquit]

It was a quote from Echelons article... Which he posted, without comment or opinion, but you didn't seem to care.

Which isn't exactly current affairs, 1958; but they still understand the problem.


Kynes, do I really need to explain what the bolded print means? You're telling me you don't understand it? Do you need it paraphrased because you don't understand the format or context or something?

What is it that you don't understand?

Who is slamming doors in white peoples faces?

I don't need to be a specific nationality to have an opinion, so go fuck yourself.

 

[Beefbisquit]

They do that to themselves.


And what exactly is this "new hope" we are suppose to provide for them? Give them encouraging pats on the back while saying they can do it?

Why can't they open their own doors?

They would eventually - but it's better for everyone if the lowest common denominator is raised as fast as possible.

White people have been going to universities for thousands of years, black people didn't know they existed until 400~ years ago, and weren't allowed to attend them until much later than that. How are they supposed to just build a culture that encourages education when they've had no opportunity for education until recently? It takes time, and the longer it takes the shittier for everyone.

 

[Dr Kynes]

It was a quote from Echelons article... Which he posted, without comment or opinion, but you didn't seem to care.

Which isn't exactly current affairs, 1958; but they still understand the problem.


Kynes, do I really need to explain what the bolded print means? You're telling me you don't understand it? Do you need it paraphrased because you don't understand the format or context or something?

What is it that you don't understand?

Who is slamming doors in white peoples faces?

I don't need to be a specific nationality to have an opinion, so go fuck yourself.

Point The First: yes you extracted it directly from a previously posted article, removing it from it's CONTEXT, and then pretended that was all there is to say about those context-free snippets. so no, you dont get to copy/paste edited materials and claim it as your own, further echie had the class and good sense to attribute the source .

Point The Second: that the article was from '58 WAS THE POINT! 50+ years of more of the same white guilt, hastily contrived and poorly disguised "reparations" for events which too place 150 years ago, and "SES" excuse making havent solved the problems yet, so why should i expect them to work in the future?

Point The Third: Yes, unlike you i actually READ THE MATERIAL, but no, i do not agree with the point of view expressed. Jews were slaves, Jews were kept in ghettoes (note: they had ACTUAL GHETTOES, with bars and fences and walls and guards with machine guns and shit. not slums described as ghettoes) , Jews were segregated by bans on employment, and yet "Jew Crime" is not so prevalent. the same can be said of the chinese, chicanos, irish, italians, germans, swedes (but who can blame us for that one?)etc etc etc. only the Negro gets special dispensation and Plenary Indulgence from the leftist religious authorities.

Point The Fourth: Read your own citation of pages past again, for the very first time. LEFTIES are proposing that dragging down enough "whites" to make negroes look less disadvantaged is almost as good as helping blacks who want to climb out of the slums do so. LEFTIES are proposing, if door A doesnt open easily, just slam door B in somebody else's face to make the guy behind door A feel better.

Point The Fifth: Butthurt much? and yes, you DO need a particular nationality to have any perspective on the problems of, and those caused by leftism's schizophrenic treatment of the American Negro. Villain or Victim, who they are painted to be today depends entiorely on which opinion will garner the most popular support, and the most votes. what possible perspective could a whitebread cnadian cracker living in the negro-free land of ice and snow possibly have about "The Ghetto" th "Black Experience" or " Racially Motivated Crime"? when a canadian is the victim of a crime, the perp is almost always from the same social group as the victim, not so in the US, unless you are black, then yep. your perp is usually the same coulour as the victim, but it's still "The White Man's Fault"

Point The Sixth: Eat A Bag Of Dicks, Crybaby.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

I wouldn't be surprised if Beef looks like his avatar.

 

[Beefbisquit]

Point The First: yes you extracted it directly from a previously posted article, removing it from it's CONTEXT, and then pretended that was all there is to say about those context-free snippets. so no, you dont get to copy/paste edited materials and claim it as your own, further echie had the class and good sense to attribute the source .

Point The Second: that the article was from '58 WAS THE POINT! 50+ years of more of the same white guilt, hastily contrived and poorly disguised "reparations" for events which too place 150 years ago, and "SES" excuse making havent solved the problems yet, so why should i expect them to work in the future?

Point The Third: Yes, unlike you i actually READ THE MATERIAL, but no, i do not agree with the point of view expressed. Jews were slaves, Jews were kept in ghettoes (note: they had ACTUAL GHETTOES, with bars and fences and walls and guards with machine guns and shit. not slums described as ghettoes) , Jews were segregated by bans on employment, and yet "Jew Crime" is not so prevalent. the same can be said of the chinese, chicanos, irish, italians, germans, swedes (but who can blame us for that one?)etc etc etc. only the Negro gets special dispensation and Plenary Indulgence from the leftist religious authorities.

Point The Fourth: Read your own citation of pages past again, for the very first time. LEFTIES are proposing that dragging down enough "whites" to make negroes look less disadvantaged is almost as good as helping blacks who want to climb out of the slums do so. LEFTIES are proposing, if door A doesnt open easily, just slam door B in somebody else's face to make the guy behind door A feel better.

Point The Fifth: Butthurt much? and yes, you DO need a particular nationality to have any perspective on the problems of, and those caused by leftism's schizophrenic treatment of the American Negro. Villain or Victim, who they are painted to be today depends entiorely on which opinion will garner the most popular support, and the most votes. what possible perspective could a whitebread cnadian cracker living in the negro-free land of ice and snow possibly have about "The Ghetto" th "Black Experience" or " Racially Motivated Crime"? when a canadian is the victim of a crime, the perp is almost always from the same social group as the victim, not so in the US, unless you are black, then yep. your perp is usually the same coulour as the victim, but it's still "The White Man's Fault"

Point The Sixth: Eat A Bag Of Dicks, Crybaby.

Just tired of racist, unintelligent, good for nothing, pieces of shit that would never have the balls to go into public and say what they're saying, so they hide behind the anonymity of the internet to preach their hate speech; spouting off on RIU. You're a coward who doesn't have the balls to be himself in the real world, so you hide behind a wall of text on the internet.

...Negro free land of ice and snow? Get your head out of your ass. We embrace multiculturalism in Canada and don't have problems with racism, and racism related crime to the extent that the USA does. When you were 'flogging niggers' we were guiding them through the underground railroad to safety.

When that was written in '58, white people were still burning black people on crosses, making them drink out of different water fountains, lynching them, and various other hate crimes. Why don't you just come out and say you want segregation back, and an 'all white Murica' so you and your little SS buddies can Seig Heil yourselves to death for the master race.

 

[Beefbisquit]

I wouldn't be surprised if Beef looks like his avatar.

Nice one, that was really funny.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Just tired of racist, unintelligent, good for nothing, pieces of shit that would never have the balls to go into public and say what they're saying, so they hide behind the anonymity of the internet to preach their hate speech; spouting off on RIU. You're a coward who doesn't have the balls to be himself in the real world, so you hide behind a wall of text on the internet.

...Negro free land of ice and snow? Get your head out of your ass. We embrace multiculturalism in Canada and don't have problems with racism, and racism related crime to the extent that the USA does. When you were 'flogging niggers' we were guiding them through the underground railroad to safety.

When that was written in '58, white people were still burning black people on crosses, making them drink out of different water fountains, lynching them, and various other hate crimes. Why don't you just come out and say you want segregation back, and an 'all white Murica' so you and your little SS buddies can Seig Heil yourselves to death for the master race.

internet tough guy routine.

more internet tough guy routine

childish name calling, but that's the usual, from you, being a juvenile crybaby

and as i have NEVER flogged anyone, not even "niggers" as you so love to squawk, how do you propose i owe anyone any reparations you clownish leftist infant?

nor have black people been burned on crosses. find a single case of ANYONE being burned on a cross. I DARE YOU.
but then supporting your wild claims is something only racists would expect you to do.

and good job with the SlowPoke Godwin.
youre like 50 pages late for that honor you fool.

always you crave more discussion of my testicles.
you seem fixated on my junk. i believe Daddy X said it best:

I got an eighth stashed up in my under-drawls
Wrapped in my sweaty balls
That's why I'm flying high
Wanna take a lick trick, and taste the good life?
~Kottonmouth Kings, Where's The Weed At?

 

[Beefbisquit]

internet tough guy routine.

more internet tough guy routine

childish name calling, but that's the usual, from you, being a juvenile crybaby

and as i have NEVER flogged anyone, not even "niggers" as you so love to squawk, how do you propose i owe anyone any reparations you clownish leftist infant?

nor have black people been burned on crosses. find a single case of ANYONE being burned on a cross. I DARE YOU.
but then supporting your wild claims is something only racists would expect you to do.

and good job with the SlowPoke Godwin.
youre like 50 pages late for that honor you fool.

always you crave more discussion of my testicles.
you seem fixated on my junk. i believe Daddy X said it best:

I got an eighth stashed up in my under-drawls
Wrapped in my sweaty balls
That's why I'm flying high
Wanna take a lick trick, and taste the good life?
~Kottonmouth Kings, Where's The Weed At?

The "Internet tough guy routine" is threatening people online under the cloak of anyonimity. How old are you, 65? Coming online to talk trash because you have no backbone in real life? LOL

I'm flat out calling you a coward because you come online to spew your racist shit because you don't have the courage to be the bigot you really are in public.


EDIT: You're absolutely correct. I shouldn't have called you 'good for nothing'. Sorry about that.

 

[Dr Kynes]

The "Internet tough guy routine" is threatening people online under the cloak of anyonimity. How old are you, 65? Coming online to talk trash because you have no backbone in real life? LOL

I'm flat out calling you a coward because you come online to spew your racist shit because you don't have the courage to be the bigot you really are in public.


EDIT: You're absolutely correct. I shouldn't have called you 'good for nothing'. Sorry about that.

opposing racial segregation, racially motivated setasides, and racially divisive policies designed to increase the black community's dependence on government handouts is racism?

your really are as stupid as you seem.

while i do not wish death on anyone, when you do finally put that sawed off shotgun you are so proud of in your mouth and paint a Jackson Pollack Homage on your bedroom wall, i will not weep.

after all, your own choices have led you to become the sad, angry, and bitter little Hoser that you are today.

and like most leftists, your passionate emotional investment in your ideology leaves you only one way out when you finally realize you have been a FOOL all these years, sucking down the Reverse-Correct Info-Speak of your leftist masters which was in fact racist, marxist, homophobic poison all along, wrapped in a colourful candy shell.

Only. One Way. Out.

but so many options:

 

[Beefbisquit]

opposing racial segregation, racially motivated setasides, and racially divisive policies designed to increase the black community's dependence on government handouts is racism?

your really are as stupid as you seem.

while i do not wish death on anyone, when you do finally put that sawed off shotgun you are so proud of in your mouth and paint a Jackson Pollack Homage on your bedroom wall, i will not weep.

after all, your own choices have led you to become the sad, angry, and bitter little Hoser that you are today.

and like most leftists, your passionate emotional investment in your ideology leaves you only one way out when you finally realize you have been a FOOL all these years, sucking down the Reverse-Correct Info-Speak of your leftist masters which was in fact racist, marxist, homophobic poison all along, wrapped in a colourful candy shell.

Only. One Way. Out.

but so many options:

Cool pics, they really prove your point.

So, you think I'm going to kill myself because I see you for what you really are, a racist? Well, more correctly you're a closet racist, because you're too chicken shit to voice your opinion in public.

You just hide like a little toddler behind his daddies leg, or maybe in this case one of your 342 kin-folk you have jammed into your 1968 Winnebago.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Cool pics, they really prove your point.

So, you think I'm going to kill myself because I see you for what you really are, a racist? Well, more correctly you're a closet racist, because you're too chicken shit to voice your opinion in public.

You just hide like a little toddler behind his daddies leg, or maybe in this case one of your 342 kin-folk you have jammed into your 1968 Winnebago.

still waiting for a single example of a flaming crucifixion...

and a cogent explanation for calls to crimp "whitey" out of programs for the poor in favour of minorities for no reason beyond race.

after all you totally read* the "report" you cited, and totally understood* it too










*nope.

Edit: and no, i dont think youre gonna pop your own Harkonnen Heartplug because you cant win an internet argument, but when the realization dawns on you that your entire ideology has been crafted out of lies, halftruths and deliberate misdirections for the power and wealth of a few highly placed and nefarious sociopathic machiavellian leftists, who would rather see the world burn than lose their position of authority, yeah thats when youll either become a Born Again Conservative (like I did) or eat a bullet, like Steve Kangas.