What is the difference between SHATTER, WAX, OIL, BUDDER?

[Twitch]

It actually does doesn't it....most of the answers (including my own) were pretty half assed lol.....I wonder why it gets so many views

really where do you see the views?

out of all of our threads to get hits on google it has to be a shitty one lol, this thread didnt even start in the right direction and i am actually not to blame this time

 

[qwizoking]

It has 66,692.....click on concentrates and extracts, on the right it has replies/views and the last post of that thread...for reference the iso extractions by Oakley thread with 43 pages only has 45,806 views


Though they are notoriously inaccurate. Most new threads always show in the low 100's despite views being much lower....Sunni has commented on it.. in fact mods can see who exactly has viewed each thread and accurate views...I made a request that we see this as well...it was denied for acceptable reasons however

 

[Twitch]

Wow, lol. How old are you? Just because you talk mad shit doesn't mean you know what the fuck your talking about. You are an amateur, plane and simple. Grow up and get on medicinal and smoke some real shit before you come at me again like a fucking 12 year old.

Also, I know my shit is legit because they've been making it here for years and years. There is nothing new or mystic to BHO as you suggest. I go to the most well respected dispensaries in the state, and they all get their concentrates from the same hand full of labs. Check out Colorado Concentrates, Stay Concentrated, Top Shelf Extracts. Also, My fav dispensaries are Kind Love and The Farm, if you wanna look them up too.

None of this changes the fact that you are wrong... You said to get pure bho you have to winterize, and you fucking don't. Well maybe you do as you don't know how to extract or purge properly, I bet your shit crackles, lol.

why do you take a look through the concentrate section on this forum, and you will see i am no amateur...
according to some dude named Webster

an amateur is a person who engages in a study, sport, or other activity for pleasure rather than for financial benefit or professional reasons.
a professional is a person engaged in a specified activity as one’s main paid occupation rather than as a pastime.

 

[Twitch]

It has 66,692.....click on concentrates and extracts, on the right it has replies/views and the last post of that thread...for reference the iso extractions by Oakley thread with 43 pages only has 45,000 views

holy shit.

 

[AlGore]

why do you take a look through the concentrate section on this forum, and you will see i am no amateur...
according to some dude named Webster

an amateur is a person who engages in a study, sport, or other activity for pleasure rather than for financial benefit or professional reasons.
a professional is a person engaged in a specified activity as one’s main paid occupation rather than as a pastime.

Oh so you make your shit in a lab env with a state license to produce cannabis concentrates? and not your house out of bullshit trim? In that case I stand corrected.

 

[Sirdabsalot462]

I am not taking sides here...

But, Top Shelf Extracts produces some of the state's finest concentrates.
Along with Stay Concentrated, and Native Roots.

Kind Love is one of the more notable MMJC's in the state, along with The Clinic and River Rock.

There are tons of concentrate vendors here in Co. but only a small portion are reputable, in which Mr.Gore did nail.

I still love ya Twitch, and he is by no means an amateur Mr.Gore..he makes some damn fine errrllz my friend..
There..

Now, y'all can get along..
Maybe?...lol

 

[vacpurge]

wait, whats the argument here?

because ive produced perfect glass shatter with JUST butane before. see through, no bubbles, and shatter even on hot days, no sizzle on the nail. no everclear used.... it was harsh though still as it wasnt winterized. but def a nice chunk of glass.

 

[Sirdabsalot462]

And to add..

I do agree with my bro Twitch in the regard that one can research and read about BHO until you are straight blue in the face...

However, until you have blasted many o strains, many o times, differing methodologies, differing environments...

Sooooo many variables will produce numerous results even with controlling said variables.
You wouldn't believe how many times I've ran Skywalker OG from the same dispensary, same genetics , same tube, same temps...

Different results....

Ughh... Crazy.

It's like..uh..fuck..seriously!?!?
This only comes with first hand experience, I've ran probably over 200 tubes or more..

And I feel like I need waaayy more hands on experience to feel like I truly grasp the variable variables ...lol

Happily stoned,
SDA

 

[Twitch]

thank you gentlemen

 

[Sirdabsalot462]

My pleasure Twitch...

You happened to be one of the more notable BHO producers in regard to how quickly you picked up the trade.

Believe me when I say I frequent many different forums and there are plenty of people that have been blasting for years and have not quite gotten the consistency aspect down...

As in many times, people will produce BHO, on an inconsistent level, once in a while they pull off a beautiful batch of oil, as displayed in Twitch's avatar. But they try again to replicate with poor results.

Making BHO is an art form with scientific aspects that weigh heavily on the final result, without repetition...Each run is like” rolling the dice”..

From high up in the clouds o' vapor..
SDA

 

[AlGore]

thank you gentlemen

I'd like to point out something I just found on a very pro thread right here on this forum.... https://www.rollitup.org/medicating/692271-vapor-volumes-vlad-new-updated.html

The Myth of Winterizing
I cant believe I have to explain this, but a lot of folks have been popping up promoting this “winterizing” process, and its something that just doesnt make sense if youre using pure butane, but it starts to become clear if youre using impure butane. Let me make this very clear: Taking BHO and dissolving it in ETO95% or ISO99% and freezing the solution, then filtering said solution with filter paper before evaping again does not remove butane or make the extract purer or remove any “waxes”. The waxes and plant oils that are dissolved by butane dissolve even better in cold iso. Moreover, you've just added a liquid solvent into your oil, and it will now need to be purged and cured even longer than originally with just the butane to remove the stubborn alcohol solvent from your oil.
“But I tried the winterizing process and got a ton of waxy residue after filtering the hash oil tincture, surely this means its removing heavy plant waxes?” you may be asking. I would like to present the following info if that is the case: I've performed the winterization on extracts I have made with pure iso-butane, and gotten zero particulate filtered out (no waxes etc). I have also winterized friends oils that were made with the same herb but with impure n-butane mixes that didnt pass the clean plate test (Vector, you scumbags I'm looking at you), and gotten a large quantity of wax left in the paper. The reason? Shitty brands like Vector 5x have heavy industrial oils and lubricants for your lighter in with the butane (10g per 12oz gas), which isnt pure isobutane but a mix of hexane, n-butane, and similar, which may dissolve heavier waxes than pure isobutane does. So depending upon your butane source, you could be using a less selective gas solvent mix that (if it isnt Colibri) likely has some heavy industrial oils in it that would definitely be filtered by winterizing.
Please note that Winterizing is not necessary when using pure butane, and it doesnt pull out all the impurities from an extract that was made with impure butane.

 

[AlGore]

The point(and the argument) is that he comes in here trashing people and throwing down the gauntlet like he is the BHO master and insists that to make shatter you have to winterize. When simple chemistry says you don't. You don't even have to vac purge if you control your env properly.

My pleasure Twitch...

You happened to be one of the more notable BHO producers in regard to how quickly you picked up the trade.

Believe me when I say I frequent many different forums and there are plenty of people that have been blasting for years and have not quite gotten the consistency aspect down...

As in many times, people will produce BHO, on an inconsistent level, once in a while they pull off a beautiful batch of oil, as displayed in Twitch's avatar. But they try again to replicate with poor results.

Making BHO is an art form with scientific aspects that weigh heavily on the final result, without repetition...Each run is like” rolling the dice”..

From high up in the clouds o' vapor..
SDA

 

[qwizoking]

Please don't talk about chemistry when you know nothing of it......

Oh and Vlad? Clueless bro(seriously though, don't listen to him on anything regarding chemistry)....that is a bunch of bullshit

 

[qwizoking]

But no winterization is not necessary for shatter....

 

[WarMachine]

But no winterization is not necessary for shatter....

I second this notion.

 

[Twitch]

I'd like to point out something I just found on a very pro thread right here on this forum.... https://www.rollitup.org/medicating/692271-vapor-volumes-vlad-new-updated.html

i would like to point out that there are at least 5 guys i know for a FACT that have done a winterizing and have actually seen the waxes separate and have collected and been able to weight the collected stuff out of the filter......

and yea poor threads pop up like this one and then they get buried 2 months back and some ass hole wants to share his 2 cents before checking the date on a thread and bam! poor thread back....

now it is no longer a poor thread, it is now amusement

 

[Sirdabsalot462]

Whoa...hey wha?.
Vlad's composition isn't complete bullshit.

I disagree with views on winterization, yup.
But the remaining parts of his writing are fairly accurate.

Isomerization is the real deal and he nailed the composition on the isomerization and isolation of phyto-cannabinoids.

And..how many people have the balls to post a write-up like that.?
Goes against many of the things we ALL thought we are doing right.

We can't dismiss the Vapor Volumes completely because of one opinion...
EDIT This post is not aimed at anyone in particular, just my opinion.

I don't want no trouble.

Lol..

 

[Twitch]

Whoa...hey wha?.
Vlad's composition isn't complete bullshit.

I disagree with views on winterization, yup.
But the remaining parts of his writing are fairly accurate.

Isomerization is the real deal and he nailed the composition on the isomerization and isolation of phyto-cannabinoids.

And..how many people the balls to post a write-up like that.?
Goes against many of the things we ALL thought we are doing right.

We can't dismiss the Vapor Volumes completely because of one opinion.

i do not know vlad, was only commenting on the quote our new friend found

edit read through it couple of things i dont agree on but save that for another time

 

[qwizoking]

I dismiss it completely because everything having to do with chemistry is inaccurate....yes nearly EVERYTHING..I've gotten into it with him before and have read nearly everyone of his posts back to the first..I'm not the only one that feels this way, and I highly respect the knowledge of cannabineer and other people that have confronted him......he night have decent knowledge on smoking devices as I think that's what his thread is about...but everything he says involving chemistry is complete bullshit and I stand by that statement......

if you disagree I would be more than happy to rip him apart yet again




(Sorry Sunni and everyone else, I try to refrain myself..I can be a bit harsh)

 

[Sirdabsalot462]

I do love me some Qwiso king posts #!!
Brother Q.K...

I've told you thru rep comments what I think of your posts my friend..

I'm not sure how old you are man, but you display am uncanny knowledge in this regard..

Cheers again!!
I have given away too much rep in the past 24 hours, or I'd + rep ya bud.