Project SAM: anti-marijuana group

abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Co-founded by democrat Patrick Kennedy, former congressman from Rhode Island, Project SAM is starting to gain a voice against legalization efforts. The group's Director is Kevin Sabet, a Florida Psychiatrist with a PhD in "social policy". They have been quoted in news stories lately and seem to have the kind of budget that is putting them right into national spot light despite being such a new organization.

http://learnaboutsam.com/category/project-sam/

Website filled with stupidity designed to turn public opinion away from our dear progress. For example:
“In Colorado, we’ve seen an explosion of consequences among kids as a result of the new industry that emerged around so-called medical marijuana after 2009,” remarked Christian Thurstone, SAM Board Member and Denver Health treatment provider. “We now have to prepare the floodgates.”
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Kevin Sabet


Patrick Kennedy

Prepare for asinine political arguments supporting prohibition in "the land of the free".
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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No more false dichotomies. It’s time for a real conversation about pot. “Incarceration or legalization?” “Lock ‘em up, or let ‘em loose?” These phrases have dominated the discussion about marijuana over the past decade. As a result, marijuana-legalization advocates — not scientists, doctors, people in recovery, disadvantaged communities or young people affected by marijuana use and its policies — have been at the forefront of changing marijuana laws in the United States.
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They want privatization. You will grow for them or you will continue to be an outlaw if they get their wishes granted. This group is funded by people who want to be marijuana billionaires.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Science has learned more about marijuana in the past 20 years than in the preceding two centuries. Ironically, however, there has been a major disconnection between the scientific knowledge gained and the public’s understanding of the drug.
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I call bullshit. That is not true, and therefore not ironic. The gov't has funded research aiming to show dangers of cannabis and has only produced the opposite findings and yet, millions of pot heads have found for themselves that cannabis is amazing, healthy, harmless medicine. It is safe and therapeutic as anyone who uses it a few times knows. They are pointing to this disconnect which is a common theme among those arguing against prohibition turned into a Project SAM talking point.

In fact, their whole web site is pitched as a response to everything that people have found out for themselves about cannabis lately. See the link on their website called "talking points".

I do wonder though, what will happen when they succeed at getting something like Sativex approved by the FDA. If anyone can, it is Big Business. One of their talking points is that smoking it should not be approved.
 
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ChesusRice

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abandonconflict said:
I call bullshit. That is not true, and therefore not ironic. The gov't has funded research aiming to show dangers of cannabis and has only produced the opposite findings and yet, millions of pot heads have found for themselves that cannabis is amazing, healthy, harmless medicine. It is safe and therapeutic as anyone who uses it a few times knows. They are pointing to this disconnect which is a common theme among those arguing against prohibition turned into a Project SAM talking point.

In fact, their whole web site is pitched as a response to everything that people have found out for themselves about cannabis lately. See the link on their website called "talking points".

I do wonder though, what will happen when they succeed at getting something like Sativex approved by the FDA. If anyone can, it is Big Business. One of their talking points is that smoking it should not be approved.
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1 smoking is bad for your health
2 these guys are total dickheads
3 it's my body I can smoke what I want
 
Antidisestablishmentarian

Antidisestablishmentarian

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You get illegal to sale still gets people arrested over a plant, right?

One could make an inference that you're cool with people going to jail for weed.

Whatever happens, unfortunately government will be involved.

Id prefer it to be regulated more along the lines of alcohol.
 
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ChesusRice

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Antidisestablishmentarian said:
You get illegal to sale still gets people arrested over a plant, right?

One could make an inference that you're cool with people going to jail for weed.

Whatever happens, unfortunately government will be involved.

Id prefer it to be regulated more along the lines of alcohol.
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Then you wont be able to grow or sell. Period.

As soon as you introduce money into the game everyone has their hand out or wants to shut you out of the game.

Shit you dont even need to look to the future. Look at the law in Arizona about growing within 25 miles of a dispensary
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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ChesusRice said:
Yeah we all going to become weed millionaires
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People like you are the biggest obstacles to the removal of cannabis prohibition. You are such a moderate. Keep clouding debates and derailing threads and this group will convince America to accept a private industry pushing brands, then growing will never be legal for regular folks in their homes.
 
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ChesusRice

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abandonconflict said:
People like you are the biggest obstacles to the removal of cannabis prohibition. You are such a moderate. Keep clouding debates and derailing threads and this group will convince America to accept a private industry pushing brands, then growing will never be legal.
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MONEY is the biggest obstacle to removing marijuana prohibition. Not me. Take the money out of it, and there is no incentive to keep it illegal or Regulated to the point where unless you are Phillip Morris it will still be illegal for you to grow.


But you aint thinking about legal weed

You are thinking about money. So it looks like
YOU are the biggest obstacle for removing marijuana prohibition
 
Antidisestablishmentarian

Antidisestablishmentarian

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ChesusRice said:
Then you wont be able to grow or sell. Period.

As soon as you introduce money into the game everyone has their hand out or wants to shut you out of the game.

Shit you dont even need to look to the future. Look at the law in Arizona about growing within 25 miles of a dispensary
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Yes I could. I can make my own beer or wine at home completely legally. If I get a license I can then sell it....

So I could then grow my own weed. Just not sell it. You know, liquor stores, beer stores, weed stores... All they need is a permit.

Edit: I can also grow my own tobacco to smoke as well. Get a license I can then sell it.

While tobacco is harder to do, beer and wine manufacturers are popping up all the time.
 
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ChesusRice

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Antidisestablishmentarian said:
Yes I could. I can make my own beer or wine at home completely legally. If I get a license I can then sell it....

So I could then grow my own weed. Just not sell it. You know, liquor stores, beer stores, weed stores... All they need is a permit.

Edit: I can also grow my own tobacco to smoke as well. Get a license I can then sell it.

While tobacco is harder to do, beer and wine manufacturers are popping up all the time.
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Please tell me what the permitting process is for selling beer
and please dont leave out the USDA,ATF,FDA and treasury department
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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[h=1]Should Marijuana Be Rescheduled?[/h] Should Marijuana Be Rescheduled? By Kevin Sabet, The Huffington Post
Thanks to legalization advocates, an issue mostly confined to scholarly and legal debates — that of the scheduling of drugs as laid out in the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) — has recently gained prominence.
I address this at length in a recent Law Review article I wrote called “Much Ado About Nothing.”
In short, the reason marijuana hasn’t been rescheduled is because no product of whole, raw marijuana has a “currently accepted medical use” in the U.S., which is part of the legal definition of Schedule I defined by the Controlled Substances Act.
By contrast, Schedule II substances have a currently accepted medical use in the U.S. or a currently accepted medical use with severe restrictions (and, like Schedule I drugs, a high potential for abuse).
More importantly, regardless of the schedule, any substance may be prescribed by physicians and dispensed by pharmacists only when incorporated into specific FDA-approved products. That is why Schedule II opioid products can be obtained in pharmacies by prescription, but raw opium, despite being in Schedule II, cannot be prescribed.
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Project Sam Policy outline (the first page)

The jist of it is that he wants commercial products made from cannabis for retail. He wants to keep the plant outlawed. This is privatization, and not legalization.
 
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