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[burgertime2010]

no it doesn't

so the Staffordshire is not lumped in? Pits are a mix off the bat. I read a study that described pit bull like breeds as it accounted. They lumped in Rotweilers and another breed to get that 2/3rds

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

I see you're still too dumb to differentiate

breeds by genetics

keep believing otherwise , see where it gets you

to funny the atheist doesn't understand the difference between beliefs and facts

but a study that skews it results......fucking bonefide......to funny

might as well belief your way back to religions

 

[burgertime2010]

A hypothetical. Does an aggressive dog have anything to do with size? Is a bite a bite no matter the breed of size? Would a 100lb Chihuahua scare you?

 

[Doer]

And what is that dog....Argentine Dogo? And and another one....a Canary Island Mastiff, the Presa Canario?

Big breed, pit bulls on steroids for chasing down and capturing big game. Man killers.

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[burgertime2010]

No offense, what do you mean?

 

[echelon1k1]

Traits are always entwined in DNA, they may skip here and there but you can generally predict outcome when closely monitored. Breeders have worked with this since the beginning to say anything different would defy the entire select breeding practices. Now it is true you can work predispositioned breeds to act differently but it takes far more work and knowledge than a household handler can produce and even then you didn't eradicate the traits it from the genetic line. The offspring will fall back in line with the genetic traits when the extensive training practices decrease. The fact is a pit bull will always be more prone to attack than a golden retriever because of their genetic traits, there is no way to avoid this.

While this is true nurture also plays a part in developing and fine tuning the genetically driven psychological traits that are associated with a specific breed. The only part I disagree with is the bolded this is where psycho genetic breeding plays a large part. Selective breeding in K9s isn't all it's cracked up to be, its the reason so many purebreds have genetic issues, my missus and I have 3 pugs so we're witness to the issues it has brought us.

 

[echelon1k1]

And what is that dog....Argentine Dogo? And and another one....a Canary Island Mastiff, the Presa Canario?

Big breed, pit bulls on steroids for chasing down and capturing big game. Man killers.

.

I think dogos are some of the most beautiful canines. I'm gonna own one here regardless of what the laws say same with pitbulls my grandparents owned one before the ban; one of the most loving, affectionate and gentle dogs family dogs we've had. Same with german shepherds.

 

[echelon1k1]

Nonetheless, the population of each breed is not factored into these percentages of attack stats. Perhaps terrier mixes are simply more common in the U.S. and thus more likely to accrue negative stats. Asshole owners do create violent dogs and pitbulls seem to appeal to a lot them. Actually, the most aggressive dogs are small ones and never are reported. Society has a raging hard-on against these animals. I have been around pitbulls my entire life. My point is statistical evidence charging bull terriers of violence is not representative of the actual situation.

Bingo!.... When looked at as a % of known population this is where the breed specific argument looses all its puff!

 

[burgertime2010]

Bingo!.... When looked at as a % of known population this is where the breed specific argument looses all its puff!

Logical right?

 

[nontheist]

Bingo!.... When looked at as a % of known population this is where the breed specific argument looses all its puff!

Actually I would like to see this information.

 

[nontheist]

Logical right?

Is it? I would like to see some pictures of chiwawa attacks and an estimated fatalities from the breed and lets compare.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

post a link to your stats study, im sure how and why they categorized their pool of data is transparent

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

http://www.nopitbullbans.com/pages/about-cdc-bite-stats/#sthash.KwczeOS7.dpuf

"
The biggest flaw in CDC statistics, and certainly the one that causes the most grief, is that the “breed” categorized by the CDC as “pit bull-type dog” does not exist. Nor is “pit bull” a breed recognized by any breed registry. Housed beneath the catch-all designation “pit bull” are any number of different breeds of dog. Lump 20-30+ breeds (and their mixes and lookalikes) of dog together as one breed and you will certainly have what looks like a breed problem as relates to dog bites and dog-bite-related fatalities! What you’ll also have is a massive skewing of the statistical data rendering the findings erroneous and misleading. - See more at: http://www.nopitbullbans.com/pages/about-cdc-bite-stats/#sthash.KwczeOS7.dpuf"

 

[echelon1k1]

Is it? I would like to see some pictures of chiwawa attacks and an estimated fatalities from the breed and lets compare.

From the study samwell posted;

Dog bite-related fatalities are exceedingly rare. In 2011, 31 fatalities occurred within a human population of more than 310 million and a canine population estimated at over 70 million. The interactions between dogs and humans are so numerous and complex that no one factor can possibly be considered, in isolation from any other factors, to be the sole cause.

Most fatalities occurred with children and most victims of dog bites are children. I firmly believe a national curriculum needs to be drafted and adopted to teach elementary schools children about responsible canine ownership/interaction/handling/training etc that is tailored to certain age groups and built upon annually, the same way as current [successful] curriculums run.

Educating children on dogs and how to identify and even defuse a potentially dangerous situation is key to eradicating attacks and fatalities. One major factor is obviously size, a smaller child is less likely to survive a mauling by a large dog, that's a given...

 

[nontheist]

While this is true nurture also plays a part in developing and fine tuning the genetically driven psychological traits that are associated with a specific breed. The only part I disagree with is the bolded this is where psycho genetic breeding plays a large part. Selective breeding in K9s isn't all it's cracked up to be, its the reason so many purebreds have genetic issues, my missus and I have 3 pugs so we're witness to the issues it has brought us.

Bingo but that is exactly what I just said. With a precise training program you can have canines act differently but you are not removing those traits from the gene pool by doing this. You cannot make a canine act differently and then expect it to pass in the bloodline, genetics just don't work like that. I work very hard to keep pray drive to a tolerant level with my dogs if I let up even a little it wastes months of effort because I am battling a predisposition. Doing this will not remove the prey drive from the bloodline expecting such is asinine. Also you cannot treat different breeds the same way and expect the same results again it doesn't work like that.

 

[nontheist]

http://www.nopitbullbans.com/pages/about-cdc-bite-stats/#sthash.KwczeOS7.dpuf

"
The biggest flaw in CDC statistics, and certainly the one that causes the most grief, is that the “breed” categorized by the CDC as “pit bull-type dog” does not exist. Nor is “pit bull” a breed recognized by any breed registry. Housed beneath the catch-all designation “pit bull” are any number of different breeds of dog. Lump 20-30+ breeds (and their mixes and lookalikes) of dog together as one breed and you will certainly have what looks like a breed problem as relates to dog bites and dog-bite-related fatalities! What you’ll also have is a massive skewing of the statistical data rendering the findings erroneous and misleading. - See more at: http://www.nopitbullbans.com/pages/about-cdc-bite-stats/#sthash.KwczeOS7.dpuf"

Bull breed bloodlines created for "baiting" IE pitbulls. We have no use for the blood sport dogs any longer the breed has centuries of disposition in the genetic pool, the breeds that are easily identified and are responsible for most deaths by canine it doesn't take a fucking rocket scientist to figure this shit out.

I read the shit from nopitbullbans, nothing in there but pure speculation and conjecture.

 

[NLXSK1]

Bingo but that is exactly what I just said. With a precise training program you can have canines act differently but you are not removing those traits from the gene pool by doing this. You cannot make a canine act differently and then expect it to pass in the bloodline, genetics just don't work like that. I work very hard to keep pray drive to a tolerant level with my dogs if I let up even a little it wastes months of effort because I am battling a predisposition. Doing this will not remove the prey drive from the bloodline expecting such is asinine. Also you cannot treat different breeds the same way and expect the same results again it doesn't work like that.

Which is why people dont normally have wolves for pets. You cannot train the animal out of the animal...

 

[chewberto]

Where did Sanjay go?

 

[UncleBuck]

I see you're still too dumb to differentiate facts from beliefs. Keep covering your eyes saying it can't be true, while you're drowning in evidence. It makes for true entertainment.

hey commie,

why did you try to cite an anti-pitbull website to try to validate yourself?

that kind of propaganda makes you a commie, according to you.

from dogsbite.org:*DogsBite.org launched in October 2007. In the 30-year history of America's "pit bull problem," many*federal and state appellate courts*have ruled that pit bull terriers pose a significant risk to communities and can be regulated accordingly. In 2012, the*highest court in Maryland*declared pit bulls "inherently dangerous." We are a national group because this is a national problem.

 

[Doer]

Yes you can and you stated "even with a companion animal" in this case another dog... A dog and a dog = Pack / Human and Dog = Pack

While human interaction is paramount, leaving to go to work etc is a normal part of a dogs interaction with a human. Been this way for a while now and when you factor in separation anxiety and employ methods to deal with these issues it equals a happy, healthy dog. Canna said the pit was with him all the time except when he started making him sleep alone.

While I'm not gonna place blame squarely on canna, IMHO he potentially didn't see the warning signs and rectify the unwanted and detrimental behaviour, I would love to get a history of him before he came to live with canna as the behaviours the pit exhibited are the symptoms of a problem not the problem itself...

And Anatolians you don't interact with at all. They are raised to think they are killer assassin guard sheep.