A New Proposed Federal Marijuana Law...

cannabineer

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
echelon1k1 said:
I rather give them permission to search my home and allow me to PROVE I'm a compliant, law abiding citizen, than have someone stand over me while I piss in a cup!
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I do not concur. "Presumption of innocence" is a cardinal part of a just republic, regardless of if it's Britain, the USA or any of a number of non-authoritarian (by conventional definition) states. You're allowing Big Brother's foot into the doorway there. cn
 
nontheist

nontheist

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cannabineer said:
I do not concur. "Presumption of innocence" is a cardinal part of a just republic, regardless of if it's Britain, the USA or any of a number of non-authoritarian (by conventional definition) states. You're allowing Big Brother's foot into the doorway there. cn
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Holly shit CB where have you been hiding?
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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Doer said:
Let's not go there. Tobacco has never been considered medicinal. It is a Night Shade genus. Poison.

Cannabis has always been considered medicinal. And it was banned only as a racist statement, against Asian and Black, in the big 4 States. An entire Madness was created, whole cloth, and smeared. And still the O'Riley types could be next to get on the bandwagon. It happens fast. It in on the auction block now. The Berlin wall ain't in it, my friends, for speed of change, with this much money on the block.

But, tobacco is different and everyone knows it. No one lumps them together and no one see a competition.

You can't understand this until you go to R Nation's Capital (tm) Go unto there all Americans and behold the very Motif of the Halls of Congress.

Tobacco is King. And it is not the money, it is a symbol of our Nation, very similar to the Bald Eagle. It is a superb fighting drug, don't you see? Kaat takes 1/2 a day, to get loony. Tobacco takes 1 drag to harden your aim.

So, Ganja is a medicine and not a fighting drug. We are not trying to replace the Pause that Refreshes your aim.

Get this mixed up and we lose.
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And yet tobacco is listed in the Pharmacotheon by Ott. Don't submit to divide et impera. Jmo. cn
 
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PurpleBuz

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AlabamaRedneck said:
Proposed new FEDERAL marijuana law (in "non-legal" terms; I'm not a lawyer):

Any household headed by a person 21 years of age or older can grow marijuana on their own property, indoors or outdoors, under the following rules:


Good proposal?
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Garbage.

There should be NO restrictions on personal grows of any kind except to ensure the well being of minors.

If there has to be federal restrictions allow it to be on interstate commerce, foreign imports, and the support of MMJ. The states can regulate their own commerce. And we don't need to support foreign producers. In fact supporting domestic production and stopping imports for both Cannabis and OIL will probably do more good than the current war on terrorism.
 
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PurpleBuz

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AlabamaRedneck said:
As much as I respect your opinion (and I do), I must ask you to please refrain from posting in this thread any longer.

I proposed a BIG STEP above what we have now, and you criticized it because it's not a "free-for-all, devil-may-care, do-as-you-fucking-please" proposition.

We MIGHT get to your position some day, but not without getting to my proposal first...

Go back to sleep...
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now you want to censor people ? why did you post if you do not want different opinions ?
 
Doer

Doer

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nontheist said:
They just have no incentive to do it without tax, democrats under Obama are starting to get real blurry on cannabis and it seems we're losing allies and its shifting more idepenant and libertarian.
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The DEMS were never our allies on this. We were fighting the DEMS from the begininng. You think PUBS banned pot.

Hell no. The hell spawn marriage to the kook religious right is what is crumbling, thank the Ganja Gods.
 
Doer

Doer

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nontheist said:
What's your goal here to get it legalized or medicinal? You will have one or the other and the latter will give complete control to Uncle Sam. Talk about watching your aim.
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You and your complete control. I have no goals, execpt for you to understand I don't take sides.

I think medical compassion is a 3rd rail you simply don't see. It is the tyranny of opinion. You think it always boils down to two choices. I say, in self rule, it never does.

So, why even think that?
 
Doer

Doer

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cannabineer said:
And yet tobacco is listed in the Pharmacotheon by Ott. Don't submit to divide et impera. Jmo. cn
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Well Ott says a lot. Don' mean nothing. Right now ganga is a Sched 1. w/ DEA. That means something. And that is the first brick we break. De-schedule it. Even going to Sched. 2 is a world of differnce and we can go to Sched. 3 without breaking Treaty.

Schedule 1 - No medical use, high potential for abuse
Morpheridine
MDA
LSD
THC

Sched 2. Some medical use, some potential for abuse
Oxycdodone
Codeine
Cocaine
Opium

Sched 3, established medical benefit, less abuse
Anabolic Steroids
Secobarbatrol
Ketamine

Sched 4, established medical use, low potential for abuse
Phenobarbitrol
Tetrazepam
Flurazepam

Sched 5 blah blah varous dose max for low grade synthentic opioods.
- Not more than 200 milligrams of codeine per 100 milliliters or per 100 grams

So, this is what we are up against.

Tobacco is not a scheduled drug and imo, Jon Ott is not a reference for this. He is the voice of Phsycodeleic Botany. He studies ethno-botanical products.

And he is political, similar to DNAprojection in stance. A hand waving hippie type from the Leary school, seems to me. He just got his house burned down.
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In March 2010, Ott's home in Mexico was destroyed by arson. While most of his books survived the fire, Ott's laboratory and personal effects perished in the blaze. Books given to Ott by Albert Hofmann were reportedly used as fuel. Details on the suspect(s) are scarce, but it is speculated that the arsonist specifically targeted Ott because of his research.
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So, just a monkey wrench, his musing on tobacco. And to link this with Federal Scheduling?

I don't get it.
 
Doer

Doer

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Oh, I spent an afternoon on HMS Victory a few years ago.

<boink> I shudda chewed some khat. :) Legal.
 
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ChesusRice

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[h=4]United States[edit source | edit][/h]In the United States, cathinone is a Schedule I drug, according to the U.S. Controlled Substance Act. The 1993 DEA rule placing cathinone in Schedule I noted that it was effectively also banning khat.
Cathinone is the major psychoactive component of the plant Catha edulis (khat). The young leaves of khat are chewed for a stimulant effect. Enactment of this rule results in the placement of any material that contains cathinone into Schedule I.[SUP][70][/SUP]
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Catha edulis (khat) is a stimulant narcotic that is similar to that of amphetamine and its congeners, not a drug as categorized by U.S. FDA (United States Food & Drug Administration) and FDA import Alert #66-23 (published date 03/18/2011) states that "Districts may detain, without physical examination, all entries of khat",[SUP][71][/SUP] based on section 801(a) (3) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act on the grounds that "its labeling fails to bear adequate directions for use".
Khat has been seized by local police and federal authorities on several occasions.[SUP][72][/SUP]
The plant itself is specifically banned in Missouri.
 
AlabamaRedneck

AlabamaRedneck

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ChesusRice said:
How about legal to grow and possess

Illegal to sell

Now there is no goverment intrusion. And your giving cops blanket permission to search your house is the most ASSININE thing I have ever read on RIU
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OK, your proposal is better than mine...but is it practical? That is, is it likely to be passed as law? If so, Cheezy, then I bow to your superiority...

I didn't mean to give cops the right to search a person's "whole house"...I meant that there would probably have to be some provision to allow the state to occasionally verify (if they so choose) that personal growers are in compliance with the law...

You are NEVER going to get a blanket "grow as you please" law...the gov't will never go for that...
 
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ChesusRice

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PurpleBuz said:
Thats effectively the way it is now with tobacco and alcohol. Keep in mind that alcohol went through its own similar prohibition.
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You can grow and make your own tobacco/alchohol

You cant sell it. not without extensive and costly licensing and regulation.

And if you violate regulations and laws trying to sell it you end up with big fines and jail time
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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ChesusRice said:
You can grow and make your own tobacco/alchohol

You cant sell it. not without extensive and costly licensing and regulation.

And if you violate regulations and laws trying to sell it you end up with big fines and jail time
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How about we just end all of those laws...
 
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