What is the all out best butane for BHO?

Sirdabsalot462

Sirdabsalot462

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Fadedawg said:
Lots of misinformation flying around on the subject of BHO, so it is easy to get led astray. All any of us can do, is keep our eyes open and vet new information with an open mind.
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This^
Is why the subject was brought forth, and you sir are reliable as it gets.

I'm going to present this info to said poster via pm, and come to some sort of conclusion.
Once again mucho appreciation.
 
beginner420

beginner420

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Haha I guess it does kinda look like a frying pan :P but ya it is one of those there fancy oil dishes with black and white design.
 
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aleester

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Hello all. I recently got some free cans of Stok butane (UK brand) from a botched order. Haven't tried it yet, but the label says 99.995% pure, which would equate to 50ppm of impurities. I believe I read the best English brands were 30ppm? At this trace level, it's more about flavor than toxicity concerns. But then again, can our sense of taste really distinguish an extra 20ppm of vac purged butane? I have a case of my usual Power 5x, a couple cans of Newport leftover (too expensive to buy on the regular), and the cans of Stok. Any comments on how Stok compares to those brands in terms of end flavor would be appreciated.
 
Fadedawg

Fadedawg

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aleester said:
Hello all. I recently got some free cans of Stok butane (UK brand) from a botched order. Haven't tried it yet, but the label says 99.995% pure, which would equate to 50ppm of impurities. I believe I read the best English brands were 30ppm? At this trace level, it's more about flavor than toxicity concerns. But then again, can our sense of taste really distinguish an extra 20ppm of vac purged butane? I have a case of my usual Power 5x, a couple cans of Newport leftover (too expensive to buy on the regular), and the cans of Stok. Any comments on how Stok compares to those brands in terms of end flavor would be appreciated.
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Haven't tried Stok, but it is easy to test for waxes and mercaptans, by spraying on a mirror and testing what is left.

A good extraction butane will leave very little paraffin behind on the mirror after discharging half a can, and there will be no smell or taste of mercaptans when you sniff and lick the mirror deposit. If it stinks like rotten eggs of course, don't lick it, because it will also taste that way.
 
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aleester

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Fadedawg said:
Haven't tried Stok, but it is easy to test for waxes and mercaptans, by spraying on a mirror and testing what is left.

A good extraction butane will leave very little paraffin behind on the mirror after discharging half a can, and there will be no smell or taste of mercaptans when you sniff and lick the mirror deposit. If it stinks like rotten eggs of course, don't lick it, because it will also taste that way.
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I don't particularly trust the mirror test to be honest, it's my suspicion that it's too subjective, and we're dealing with such minute quantities of impurities.... will spraying it onto a mirror really show the difference between say < 50ppm vs. > 100 ppm? I don't think so, but I can be wrong.

In any event, I only recently realized that Stok has the NZI label, which I was not aware of. Ran 2 cans of it, and it's on par with the other UK brands that I've used like Newport and Iolite. When I saw the MSDS sheet for Vector, I decided to try and avoid Korean brands, although if you do a proper purge it may not matter in the end.
 
Fadedawg

Fadedawg

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It doesn't matter that the oleaginous wax contaminants are in parts per millionth, because you are concentrating all that are present on the mirror. That's why you run at least half a can.

The key point is that they aren't toxic at 10 to 100 times the levels that are typically present, according to NIOSH, a very concerned third party, so grave concerns are unsupported.

The propane and Isobutane "contaminants" don't leave deposits, and are also not toxic at the residual levels encountered, anymore than the n-Butane is. They also extract a nice product, all by themselves.

aleester said:
I don't particularly trust the mirror test to be honest, it's my suspicion that it's too subjective, and we're dealing with such minute quantities of impurities.... will spraying it onto a mirror really show the difference between say < 50ppm vs. > 100 ppm? I don't think so, but I can be wrong.

In any event, I only recently realized that Stok has the NZI label, which I was not aware of. Ran 2 cans of it, and it's on par with the other UK brands that I've used like Newport and Iolite. When I saw the MSDS sheet for Vector, I decided to try and avoid Korean brands, although if you do a proper purge it may not matter in the end.
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vacpurge

vacpurge

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Fadedawg said:
It doesn't matter that the oleaginous wax contaminants are in parts per millionth, because you are concentrating all that are present on the mirror. That's why you run at least half a can.

The key point is that they aren't toxic at 10 to 100 times the levels that are typically present, according to NIOSH, a very concerned third party, so grave concerns are unsupported.

The propane and Isobutane "contaminants" don't leave deposits, and are also not toxic at the residual levels encountered, anymore than the n-Butane is. They also extract a nice product, all by themselves.
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can you please check out the "how to make dabs/wax" thread and see what you figure on that white can, red top ronson stuff I posted??? we got quite a good argument going on in there, id like to see who is right and who is wrong.
 
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aleester

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Fadedawg said:
It doesn't matter that the oleaginous wax contaminants are in parts per millionth, because you are concentrating all that are present on the mirror. That's why you run at least half a can.

The key point is that they aren't toxic at 10 to 100 times the levels that are typically present, according to NIOSH, a very concerned third party, so grave concerns are unsupported.

The propane and Isobutane "contaminants" don't leave deposits, and are also not toxic at the residual levels encountered, anymore than the n-Butane is. They also extract a nice product, all by themselves.
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Thanks good to know.
 
cheefbird

cheefbird

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I've been making shatter/amber glass for a year and a half now. I've used Vector, Power 5x, lucienne, and newport.

In that time, the quality of vector and power 5x (which I believe are basically the same product, repackaged) has declined. I noticed slightly darker oils and longer purge times using them.

I strongly (and only) recommend lucienne or newport (newport being slightly better, though price is higher in many cases).

I have not personally used colibri, so I cannot speak to it, but I have heard great things from others in the community. This one, however, is a bit harder to find in large quantities, and at the right price.
 
WarMachine

WarMachine

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I used Colibri on my last run and I found it pretty good. Seemed a lot better than Vector since of recent time.
 
Fadedawg

Fadedawg

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We will be testing the popular brands for PPM content, and I will have an opinion at that point. Many of them are from the same manufacturer, just packaged under a different name.
 
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Hemlock

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Fadedawg said:
Propane works well in a Terpenator. It takes about twice as long to recover as n-Butane, produces less concentrate, and is lighter in color.
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A terpenator you say... r u fukin with me fadedawg???LOL....So can u explain a a bit more mate???
 
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