People who call themselves "hunters"

[kinetic]

You stating that doctors state is not factual evidence unless you produce a PHD or a degree in nutrition or produce actual verifiable statements from doctors. Things like this go far to back up your statements.
" If you only eat plant-based foods, Iowa State University Extension states that you can get complete proteins from soy products, such as soybeans or edamame, soy milk or tofu, which provides 10 g per 1/2-cup serving. Quinoa is a unique grain because its protein is high-quality, according to University of Wisconsin Extension."

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/382528-plant-based-sources-of-complete-protein-for-vegetarians/#ixzz2ZobHA19d

 

[sunni]

You do understand its pretty tricky getting all your vitamins nutrients and especially yummy flavors from a vegan lifestyle right...not saying impossible but most vegans don't eat properly and are malnourished....... and as previously stated my brain is my advanced evolved for killing tool. I'm a viscious carnivore who likes to sit and smoke weed.. its instinct alright, I wake up at the mere hint of bacon

to that i would change
Most PEOPLE dont eat properly,

lol fuck im far from fucking malnourished, just check out my jean size!

 

[Firstoffallen]

And by the way, I'm not denying that all of that stuff tastes amazing. I wish I could still eat pizza, cheeseburgers, buffalo wings, chicken breasts, taco bell Doritos tacos lol, etc. I admit that all of that stuff tastes really good.... but I'm not going to eat it. Some people just don't have the will power to stick to it or even start in the first place.

AHHHH now i get it your that douche who quits smoking then harps on all his friends to quit as well. we get it your farts smell like roses.

 

[sunni]

You stating that doctors state is not factual evidence unless you produce a PHD or a degree in nutrition or produce actual verifiable statements from doctors. Things like this go far to back up your statements.
" If you only eat plant-based foods, Iowa State University Extension states that you can get complete proteins from soy products, such as soybeans or edamame, soy milk or tofu, which provides 10 g per 1/2-cup serving. Quinoa is a unique grain because its protein is high-quality, according to University of Wisconsin Extension."

Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/382528-plant-based-sources-of-complete-protein-for-vegetarians/#ixzz2ZobHA19d

i love quinoa , infact im making some right now!

no wai!

 

[NietzscheKeen]

He left...Time for the party to start!............................. ...........[video=youtube;bBJ9RnbK8G4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBJ9RnbK8G4[/video]

I know everyone must do the same thing when I leave too. Bastards...

 

[qwizoking]

Your not even making a coherent thought..Where do you get b12 then for example their are lots of others. Which is why I told you to Google it. Its impossible without supplements to receive the full range of vitamins and nutrients... its OK though I member you. I'm done here......troll

 

[qwizoking]

By malnourished I mean things like antioxidants vitamins proteins etc not weight...

 

[jtprin]

Nope. Your argument is completely broken here, because you're not taking into account evolutionary traits or the history of our species. We evolved brains which allowed us to use technology which allows us to hunt differently than other species hunt. Also, there are plenty of predator animals that we evolved in symbiotic relationships with. Dogs, for instance, hunt for human beings and in return we give them companionship and love and shelter. Falconry? yeah, we hunt with birds too. Dolphins will hunt with and for us as well, herding schools of fish into the shallows where humans can catch them.

Also, we do have carnivorous characteristics. Take a look in the fucking mirror, buddy. You see those canine teeth and your lower incisors, and your fourth and fifth molars? Yeah, a good quarter of our teeth are evolved for eating meating, for tearing and cutting, not grinding and snipping grasses.

Another point you clearly do not understand is that we have one stomach. All animals with one stomach are omnivorous or carnivorous. All animals with several stomachs (the polygastric ruminants) are solely vegetarians.

One more, final fucking point about science and the human species and our categorization on this planet. In the mammal phylum (to which we belong), animals are further subdivided into two categories--Predator and Prey species. The prey species (like rabbits, deer, and sheep, and antelope, and horses) have their eyes on the sides of their heads so that they can be on the look out for predators. These animals have evolved to have almost 360 degree vision. Predators (like fox, and wolves, and bears, and humans) have their eyes in the front of their heads, so they can track the prey they are pursuing.

I'm not saying there's anything wrong or implicitly right with any diet on earth (all consumption is destruction of other organic living matter). But you are acting like a fucking idiot who couldn't pass an eighth grade biology test. We are omnivorous. We have evolved this way and we have been this way for as long as recorded history and science can tell.

Sounds like someone only eats meat and doesn't want to face the reality. The development of weapons in no way means humans are physiologically designed to eat meat. Again, herbivores also have those teeth, they wouldn't be able to eat hard fruits like apples otherwise. Our intestines are the same length as all other herbivores, carnivores have short intestines to digest raw and decaying flesh quickly. True carnivores cannot get clogged arteries, yet that exact problem kills millions of humans each year. The categorization of animals is absolutely irrelevant, those are just labels by humans.

Your point about other animals is preposterous. Well no S other animals who ARE carnivorous are going to be pleased when humans give them meat to eat. I'd sure as hell be happy if someone kept giving me free food.

 

[sunni]

Your not even making a coherent thought..Where do you get b12 then for example their are lots of others. Which is why I told you to Google it. Its impossible without supplements to receive the full range of vitamins and nutrients... its OK though I member you. I'm done here......troll

b12 is actually the ONLY nutrient that you cannot get from a plant source,however just about every almond milk brand has b12 in it , b12 is essentially and vitally important but you need very little , and so things like almond milk are perfect for adding your b12 nutrient, any other nutrient you can get from a plant source, i do not eat, or take any vitiams , or special "vegan" tablets, but i am perfectly healthy and far from malnourished
i get your argument qwizoking but it seems youre lacking in information there is a lot of myths with veganism , if we put aside the moral standpoint, the if humans are carnivores, if were meant to, and simply stick with can you live off of a vegan diet. yes you can and no you wont be a malnourished stick figure

"Vitamin B12 is needed for cell division and blood formation. Neither plants nor animals make vitamin B12. Bacteria are responsible for producing vitamin B12. Animals get their vitamin B12 from eating foods contaminated with vitamin B12 and then the animal becomes a source of vitamin B12. Plant foods do not contain vitamin B12 except when they are contaminated by microorganisms or have vitamin B12 added to them"

 

[jtprin]

By malnourished I mean things like antioxidants vitamins proteins etc not weight...

You do realize that fruits, especially berries, are absolutely loaded with antioxidants, right? The fact that you're asking about protein on a vegan diet shows you're a beginner on the subject. And no, it's not impossible to get all the vitamins and minerals, not even close. Nobody needs meat to survive. Besides, the nutrients you get from the animal foods comes from the plant foods they eat.

 

[jtprin]

Quinoa is actually a seed but it's bad for your intestines. I was excited to start eating it until I learned they were loaded with saponins that cant be completely washed off.

 

[qwizoking]

I believe I said most don't eat properly and its not impossible...most aren't informed at all on what they need to eat...which Is why I'm once again saying Google vegan malnourishment children etc I'm sure you can throw in some key words. Look with an unbiased perspective its true... I don't have time to argue about it. I said not impossible you just have to eat certain things and most don't.. so your fine with added supplements in your food? I'm sure its all natural but still. Doesn't seem like something a vegan would like...b12 also isn't the only thing b2 and calcium are a couple more. You might find a few more by doing research

 

[sunni]

By malnourished I mean things like antioxidants vitamins proteins etc not weight...

here ill give this out

Protein - the average person needs about 46 grams for a woman and 56 grams for a man, that is of course if youre not body building
just as an example
1 cup of lentils has 17.9 g of Protein
4oz steak has 22g
however lentils have 0 fat or saturated fat while the steak comes in at 22g of fat and 9g of saturated fat

Vitamin D for vegans is found in
orange juice, soy milk and rice milk

Omega 3 fatty acids (found in fish) can be found in
Flax seeds, hemp seeds, walnuts , and pulsane, and of course they have tablets

Iron is found obviously is dark leafy greens usually kale or spinach

calicum for vegans is found in
broccoli, mustard greens, almonds, kale , soy


the thing is is that people think of vegans as malnourished skinny people in reality they are just generally average weight but look malnourished compared to the average of what the Western culture is brought onto today with obesity. While im sure some vegans are malnourished same could be said for the extremely obese people who sit there and eat blocks of cheese 3 times a day and are dying at weight of up to 400-700 lbs.
We over eat protein , theres no need to eat meat 3x a day, everyone is so obsessed with protein these days, thats all you hear and while protein is very good for the body overeating protein isnt.

 

[neosapien]

Are we still talking about this?

This thread is now for posting pictures of boobs or bacon... or both.

 

[qwizoking]

You ever had that bacon Ice cream ?

 

[jtprin]

I believe I said most don't eat properly and its not impossible...most aren't informed at all on what they need to eat...which Is why I'm once again saying Google vegan malnourishment children etc I'm sure you can throw in some key words. Look with an unbiased perspective its true... I don't have time to argue about it. I said not impossible you just have to eat certain things and most don't.. so your fine with added supplements in your food? I'm sure its all natural but still. Doesn't seem like something a vegan would like...b12 also isn't the only thing b2 and calcium are a couple more. You might find a few more by doing research

I take an organic whole foods multivitamin for added protection, but I do not rely on them for nutrition. Diet should always be the #1 source of your nutrients. I agree, there are people who decide to go vegan or vegetarian without researching ahead of time and end up with health issues, which taints the perception of vegans and vegetarians in general. I also take astaxanthin, DHA (from microalgae oil), and vitamin D3.

 

[kinetic]

By malnourished I mean things like antioxidants vitamins proteins etc not weight...

Wow dude. You can only get vitamins and antioxodents from meat? You should do som reading. Seriously.

 

[jtprin]

here ill give this out

Protein - the average person needs about 46 grams for a woman and 56 grams for a man, that is of course if youre not body building
just as an example
1 cup of lentils has 17.9 g of Protein
4oz steak has 22g
however lentils have 0 fat or saturated fat while the steak comes in at 22g of fat and 9g of saturated fat

Vitamin D for vegans is found in
orange juice, soy milk and rice milk

Omega 3 fatty acids (found in fish) can be found in
Flax seeds, hemp seeds, walnuts , and pulsane, and of course they have tablets

Iron is found obviously is dark leafy greens usually kale or spinach

calicum for vegans is found in
broccoli, mustard greens, almonds, kale , soy


the thing is is that people think of vegans as malnourished skinny people in reality they are just generally average weight but look malnourished compared to the average of what the Western culture is brought onto today with obesity. While im sure some vegans are malnourished same could be said for the extremely obese people who sit there and eat blocks of cheese 3 times a day and are dying at weight of up to 400-700 lbs.
We over eat protein , theres no need to eat meat 3x a day, everyone is so obsessed with protein these days, thats all you hear and while protein is very good for the body overeating protein isnt.

Vitamin D is even more easily obtained by going outside in the sun lol. Hemp seeds are rich in ALA, but not DHA, and the conversion from ALA to EPA and DHA isn't very high. Same with the others.

 

[qwizoking]

Oh the troll came back.... that's what you got from this? I respect Sunni and her wishes to be a vegan. Are you even one? You clearly didn't look up anything. Its like pulling teeth. Hmmm I wonder what's found in milk? Eggs? Fish? Lots of yummies besides protein

 

[sunni]

Vitamin D is even more easily obtained by going outside in the sun lol. Hemp seeds are rich in ALA, but not DHA, and the conversion from ALA to EPA and DHA isn't very high.

yes i realize that its obtained by the sun im not a fucking idiot. there are fortified beverages though ...