Who knows of 2012,
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email468
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There is only one question i see and that is which is more real - atomic or astronomical time .. the answer is all time is a symbolic construct used to represent an occurrence - so my answer would be neither or both. They are both as real as you need them to be at the time. If we decided that a day is no longer made up of 24 hours - that doesn't change the rate of the Earth's spin - it just changes what symbol we use to denote that. This is more philosophic than scientific.Good questions!!! I'd like an answer too
RON PAUL REVOLUTION
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It is akin to asking which calendar is more accurate the julian or the mayan - the answer is both - they measure different things and are both symbolic constructs.
But since I think you are more interested in the assertions being made, i'll address those as well...
Logically, the fact that their astronomical knowledge and buildings exist is proof enough that ancient cultures were capable of achieving the things they did with ancient technology. There have been a few folks (archaeologists) who have replicated ancient building techniques using ancient tools with great success. All other arguments for how the ancients acquired their technology is special pleading. They had the tools and the talent (and the slave labor to pull it off).
As for the astronomical knowledge - amazing as it is - is really nothing special. If you keep careful records for hundreds of years (as part of religious rites as the Mayans, Egyptians, and nearly every ancient peoples did), astronomical trends are not difficult to figure. I mean they weren't idiots. Heck the greeks had the Earth's circumference figured out pretty well and it is documented how they figured that one out. And why focus on the Mayans? The Sumerians, Babylonians, and of course the Egyptians all had equal (some had superior) knowledge of the heavens.
You'd be amazed at what you can learn about our sky with just some sticks and a piece of string if you're willing to do the work involved. The ancients were very, very willing.
We TaRdED
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Good answer! I was thinking it was something on those lines. It just amazes me. I guess 2000 years or so seems like a long time, and it only seems like in the last 200 years or so that we have exponentially evolved as a scientific race. So back in the day of making fires to cook your freshly speared deer, it amazes me that people were figuring out the "heavens". They just seemed primitive, but in actuality they had the "same" brain as present day man(just not the knowledge of our amazing technology)
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email468
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If you study history you'll find that humanity was delayed, set-back, regressed (however you want to put it) for about 1000-1500 years scientifically speaking. The Muslims took over the Arab world (which was the center of science and learning for a long time) and Christianity took over the old Roman Empire and the rest of Europe. Science did not die - but it was heavily wounded during this time since anything that contradicted the teachings of the church (Muslim or Christian - both equally persecute science that contradicts religious teachings) was condemned as heresy. And as you know, science is just chalk full of heresy.
And while some sciences and culture continued to exist and even thrive during the "dark ages", it took the reformation and enlightenment to bring in the age of reason. And do you know what the folks were studying that brought about the enlightenment? Ancient (classical) texts, architecture, science and medicine. If they had access to the Mayan culture (or any old cultures from the Americas) they would have studied them too.
Heck - Brunelleschi had to go to Rome to study the architecture since that knowledge was lost before completing the Basilica in Florence! Many "modern" scientific discoveries are actually re-discoveries the ancients had already documented. God only knows what was lost in the terrible burning of the Library of Alexandria.
In many ways humanity was for more enlightened and advanced 1700-3000+ years ago than they were 500-1300 years ago (give or take a few centuries).
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We TaRdED
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*Puts hand under chin to put my jaw back in place*
Simply amazing!!!! I'm sure you know more about it than me. What a wild thought/truth(?).RON PAUL REVOLUTION
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email468
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Don't take my word for it - read the history books. To be clear, I am not saying science came to a stand still because of religion. I am saying it limped along because of it. There were awesome discoveries and inventions during the dark ages (the telescope comes to mind).*Puts hand under chin to put my jaw back in place*
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Think about ancient Babylon, Alexandria and later Rome. Think about the Coliseum. What technology did the Romans have the Mayans didn't?
The middle agers had to "rediscover" cement (Latin: cementum) that was used daily in building projects in ancient Rome.
Philly_Buddah
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I have one theory of whats going to happen in 2012 based on some things I have heard. We are supposed to reach a new level of consciousness. Like all around us there is other beings and realities, like a parallel dimension or universe that souls and aliens or entities live in, and the problem is that us humans see everything in the 3rd dimension but there may be many more that we do not have the ability to see or interact with. In the physical human world we cannot see or communicate to this world.
In 2012, we might be able to enter into those different dimensions and interact with those beings and things. Its not as simple as it sounds though, if that happens its going to be a huge change much more drastic than every change in human history combined basically.
In 2012, we might be able to enter into those different dimensions and interact with those beings and things. Its not as simple as it sounds though, if that happens its going to be a huge change much more drastic than every change in human history combined basically.
email468
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We are already aware of a 4th dimension called space-time and if string theory is correct there could be a multi-verse made up of nearly a dozen dimensions!
Also - we are already living in as many dimensions as exists - just because we are not aware of them doesn't mean we aren't already interacting with them.
I'm still scratching my head over what the Mayan calendar marking precession has to do with anything (other than marking precession) but i guess in a few more years we will see!!!
and i can hardly wait!
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twostarhotel
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ill admit email has got some knowledge, are you familiar with the atlantis theory? ive been watching some stuff on that latley, really wild stuff
email468
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No, I don't think I am.
hom36rown
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Isnt M theory the new standard? They found found a bunch of equations that worked for string theory, which I guess is a bad thing, and m theory which proposed an 11 dimension universe instead of a 10 dimension brought all the equations together or something like that...I saw a documentary on it on history channel
email468
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I'm no cosmologist but my understanding is scientists are getting closer to be able to test some of string theory's predictions.
I'm sorry - I am not up on M theory.
Brandon78125
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i think its actually 12 dimensions, and then the higher power which is known as god, so then it would be 13. we are moving into the 5th on march 21, 2013.
Brandon78125
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YouTube - William Cooper: The U.S. UFO And Alien Coverup 1/10
YouTube - Secret Underground Bases & The NWO - Phil Schneider 2of7
Both these men ended up dead, supposedly for the information they revealed.
YouTube - Secret Underground Bases & The NWO - Phil Schneider 2of7
Both these men ended up dead, supposedly for the information they revealed.
email468
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so perhaps you could explain calabi yau manifolds to me - i've been having trouble grasping the concept.
Philly_Buddah
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Yeah E mail that sounds right. I believe we exist in all dimensions but its hard to interact with them. There is possibly another dimension with souls and things that we could interact with by Ouija boards and things. Its kind of weird to realize that all around you there is other dimensions that are always there but you cannot see them and cant interact with them most the time. I think if you can somehow access other dimensions and learn to use powers than you might be able to do things like move objects and fly and things that people have claimed to do before, but that would be the least of your interests after that. Because if you think about it, all of this around us is really similar to the matrix. Its a simple minded thought process to just think things are the way we are taught to think, but what you have to do is find a way to free your mind and realize all of this around us is not reality.
As a matter of fact I think its proven. Everything we see and perceive around us is just electronic signals in our brains. We are not seeing the raw reality of anything, its just interpretations of everything. Our brains dont normally work to see all dimensions, and I think very few people can even see 2 seperate dimensions, let alone all 12 or whatever. Possibly DMT or something could help you see other dimensions. I dont think us humans have any reliable way to teach someone how to reach those other dimensions yet. This is all kind of confusing and of course I dont know everything, but all of this might have something to do with whats going to happen in 2012. Possibly we could see a new dimension, or maybe all of them. Im not sure if it would be the same thing as being born again. Because when you were born you were very confused it was a whole new world and you needed to learn everything, it may be the same thing with other dimensions you have to get used to them over time and learn the ways of them just like us humans had to do to survive in this dimension and its ways so we probably wont understand all of it at first.
Either way, I think we are getting ready to see some exciting things happening.
As a matter of fact I think its proven. Everything we see and perceive around us is just electronic signals in our brains. We are not seeing the raw reality of anything, its just interpretations of everything. Our brains dont normally work to see all dimensions, and I think very few people can even see 2 seperate dimensions, let alone all 12 or whatever. Possibly DMT or something could help you see other dimensions. I dont think us humans have any reliable way to teach someone how to reach those other dimensions yet. This is all kind of confusing and of course I dont know everything, but all of this might have something to do with whats going to happen in 2012. Possibly we could see a new dimension, or maybe all of them. Im not sure if it would be the same thing as being born again. Because when you were born you were very confused it was a whole new world and you needed to learn everything, it may be the same thing with other dimensions you have to get used to them over time and learn the ways of them just like us humans had to do to survive in this dimension and its ways so we probably wont understand all of it at first.
Either way, I think we are getting ready to see some exciting things happening.
Brandon78125
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Think of a radio signal, its like we are on a lower frequency then 5th density and up, therefore we cannot see them. They can see us, and show themselves to us if they want to because they are on that higher frequency.
email468
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Higher (in number only - does not imply superior or better) dimensions can not interact with ours anymore than we can interact with the 1st and 2nd dimensions. Regardless what drugs we take, we are still equipped with what we got. We don't grow new senses (though it sure can feel like we do).
Not sure why folks insist on shoehorning fairy tales and mumbo-jumbo into every nook and cranny of science that is not clearly defined.
I guess i should be used to it by now.
Not sure why folks insist on shoehorning fairy tales and mumbo-jumbo into every nook and cranny of science that is not clearly defined.
I guess i should be used to it by now.
Maybe there is something to be said about Dec.21, 2012 it was said that all the shaman of the mayan indians saw was complete darkness. Hell, the way gas prices are, natural disasters, murders, riots, hunger, disease, temperature change and the animosity of the different countries, it may just be close to the end of the world.
Just try to be the best person you can be, and treat those how you would like to be treated, and trust and believe in a higher power everything will be all right!!!!
Just try to be the best person you can be, and treat those how you would like to be treated, and trust and believe in a higher power everything will be all right!!!!