USA - Probably the most ****ed up country on earth

Doer

Doer

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When you are trained not to fear your eyes grow wider to see it all. There is no fear monger here.

There are facts to be faced. Fear is simply the mind killer. I got over all that long ago. I almost died a couple of times. I stared down the bore of a loaded .44, finger on the trigger, not my own. I've hand hand to hand combat erupt where, it is suddenly not the time for fear. It is time to carefully control 4 hands... mine, and theirs, against weapons. No brags. Just facts.

We are not discussing fear. See to your small world. See if you can find facts. I don't think we can save the world.

I don't think there is a world like that. It is just people, Knowledge, and various types of Understanding. There is nothing to be a world citizen of. What? A World Government. No way.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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kpmarine said:
If it's a trick question: Indefinitely, the baby has already survived 3 days.

If it's a serious question: It's a cluster of cells. My guess would be not for any length of time.
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In both instances a 3 day old baby and a "cluster of cells" could survive if they were assisted by an older human being. The key is in both instances, the living matter is dependent upon others to live. Admittedly the cluster of cells might require an implant to continue living until it is born.

Many people think that a human life begins upon birth. I have a difficult time in my own mind deciding at which point the "cluster of cells" becomes a baby, but I suggest it is prior to birth.
 
ricky1lung

ricky1lung

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Doer said:
When you are trained not to fear your eyes grow wider to see it all. There is no fear monger here.

There are facts to be faced. Fear is simply the mind killer. I got over all that long ago. I almost died a couple of times. I stared down the bore of a loaded .44, finger on the trigger, not my own. I've hand hand to hand combat erupt where, it is suddenly not the time for fear. It is time to carefully control 4 hands... mine, and theirs, against weapons. No brags. Just facts.

We are not discussing fear. See to your small world. See if you can find facts. I don't think we can save the world.

I don't think there is a world like that. It is just people, Knowledge, and various types of Understanding. There is nothing to be a world citizen of. What? A World Government. No way.
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[facepalm]So why did you introduce the big bad Islam into the conversation in a way that suggests
those who practice Islam are out to get us?[/facepalm]

I simply replied to your post, and offered my opinion on your subject matter as it was written.

So now, again.
What are your thoughts on Prism the constitution and the effects upon the world by the program.

Just think about this for a second, do you see how small the world truly is when the worlds conversations and activities
are being stored in a building in the US? Technology brought us that close, and we are closer to one another as individuals
than we ever have been before.
 
Doer

Doer

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Rob Roy said:
In both instances a 3 day old baby and a "cluster of cells" could survive if they were assisted by an older human being. The key is in both instances, the living matter is dependent upon others to live. Admittedly the cluster of cells might require an implant to continue living until it is born.

Many people think that a human life begins upon birth. I have a difficult time in my own mind deciding at which point the "cluster of cells" becomes a baby, but I suggest it is prior to birth.
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When it breaths it is a baby. At what point before birth, "life begins," I don't know. It is really a moot point to me.

Through much of history it was always the woman's right to choose. Men had no idea of the herbs used. Careful secret. Then war cults came into being, and needed warriors and it became a sin. (first you need to make up God and punishment)

Even that did not take away the choice. Laws don't take away choice. Laws just make the choice safer or not.
 
Doer

Doer

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tokeprep said:
If you believe that, how can you be contesting what I initially said? The people and the government are not the same; an attack on one is not necessarily an attack on the other.
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Interesting. 1) not necessarily contesting, remember. But let's not go back. I bounce discussion. And you are welcome. :)

2) the govt in the USA are the same as the people. It is right there in writing. These are not the turmoils of the times of my youth. We got out there and made a Republican a President to get us out of Nam. That doesn't make me a PUB. I am a realist.

If the shit really starts to stink, don't worry. WE are the force that can simply kick a bunch of people out, but not everyone at once. :) It has happened.

WE are good people and we run the show. What you think is lazy is really a warrior production heartland. It is civilian militia. It is combat football in armor.

It looks like a tale of 4 idiot cities because that is what is covered. But, New York, San Francisco, Chicago, and LA, the Left and Weird Coasts that is not really what this is.

It is self rule. You see a bully Executive Branch and call it the out of control govt against the People. It's not the govt, and it is in control, somewhat by the other 2 Branches. But, is has ALL the press. And that is confusing.

Unless they draft you, you can ignore the Feds with only moderate risk, by simply paying taxes and never think about it.

Below that, especially at the County level, it is all self rule. And you too get to decide what to say about the current stupidity there.

Think locally, act locally. That other saying is bullshit.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Doer said:
When it breaths it is a baby. At what point before birth, "life begins," I don't know. It is really a moot point to me.

Through much of history it was always the woman's right to choose. Men had no idea of the herbs used. Careful secret. Then war cults came into being, and needed warriors and it became a sin. (first you need to make up God and punishment)

Even that did not take away the choice. Laws don't take away choice. Laws just make the choice safer or not.
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I think Benjamin Franklin had something to say about those who prefer "safety" to freedom.

So if it stops breathing, is it dead? Better tell Uncle Charlie who smoked 3 packs a day for 65 years that he's dead...I'll do that right after I turn off his oxygen bottle.
 
kpmarine

kpmarine

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Rob Roy said:
In both instances a 3 day old baby and a "cluster of cells" could survive if they were assisted by an older human being. The key is in both instances, the living matter is dependent upon others to live. Admittedly the cluster of cells might require an implant to continue living until it is born.

Many people think that a human life begins upon birth. I have a difficult time in my own mind deciding at which point the "cluster of cells" becomes a baby, but I suggest it is prior to birth.
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Oh, there is definitely a point where the fetus is viable outside the mother; before a normal birth would occur. I'd say that person-hood, if you will, would be dictated by birth, though.
 
Doer

Doer

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Rob Roy said:
I think Benjamin Franklin had something to say about those who prefer "safety" to freedom.

So if it stops breathing, is it dead? Better tell Uncle Charlie who smoked 3 packs a day for 65 years that he's dead...I'll do that right after I turn off his oxygen bottle.
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Ben Franklin could not interfere with a choice of a woman on that and neither can we. The women will chose regardless.

It has nothing to do with anything but safety. It will be done no matter what.
 
Someacdude

Someacdude

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Interesting op, however.
You obviously havent traveled to the UK or if you have are part of the problem.

The people i speak to over there are in misery.
No way to protect yourself at all,and the scum bags all use knives now and as my one friend told me, 'they know right where to stab you to kill you'
Not allowed to have a gun, ball bat, hammer,waffle iron nada, and if someone does break into your home, dont you dare touch them.

Islam has taken over most of europe now , islam is NOT a religion, it is a geopolitical form of government.

The reason the U.S. is suffering is because people with the same idiotic ideas are trying to push our constitution out of the way to make room for THEIR agenda.

Both parties are corrupt and disgusting, but the left outslimes anything ive ever seen.

The U.S is indeed in serious trouble , our school system (ran by liberals) believes everybody gets a prize.
No one is educated anymore since education is now BIG BUSINESS.

If people would just do a little bit of reading they would see one thing with absolute clarity.

Socialism has failed everywhere it has EVER been started.

Its the antithesis of free thinking , but thats what both sides want anyway.

You dont think they pulled gun control and abortion out of a hat do ya?
Both parties use whatever they can to keep the people stupid and docile, unfortunately they have become to greedy.
 
2xcharming

2xcharming

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Thank you Doer! As for the other side of this argument, climb out of my pussy. It's none of your business. I don't tell you what to do with your dicks except maybe go fuck yourselves. I'm saying this as a mother of two premature babies. Don't presume to tell me when life begins.
Doer said:
Ben Franklin could not interfere with a choice of a woman on that and neither can we. The women will chose regardless.

It has nothing to do with anything but safety. It will be done no matter what.
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